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AIBU to think the media should report people’s actual sex—not preferred gender—in legal cases, courts, and crime reporting?

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SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 14:59

A large portion of the country does not know what "transgender woman" means, (is it someone male being female or female being male?) And using incorrect pronouns from reality makes this worse.

Not to mention it clouds the reality of important cases such as Dr Beth Upton and Nurse Sandie Peggie - at a glance it could be easy for a casual reader to not know why Sandie was so upset, surely it's just another woman in the female changing rooms?

Language matters. Always. Twisting it and using it incorrectly leads to all sorts of misunderstandings, like "Her Penis" or "His Ovaries"

Has there been an uptick in the legally impossible act of women raping people? No. But according to the media, seemingly yes.

Organisations do this because IPSO (Independent Press Standards Organisation), forces them to do so, see this description from the Spectator, who had their hand forced https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-ipso-surrendered-to-the-trans-lobby/?homepage-tracking=high_density-article-1

For example this, awful story, is a male, raping and sexually abusing children under 13.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14392643/Transgender-woman-court-rape-girl-sexually-assault-boy.html

This should stop - it's not a matter of "outing" people, as the media often says "transgender woman", but it is a matter of being fair and clear to both sexes

The Scottish Express - has tried to stop doing so - and they have been reported to the police:
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/scottish-express-referring-dr-beth-34670335

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JHound · 18/02/2025 19:19

I really don’t think it matters in most instances to the general news reading public.

And if they don’t understand what a “trans woman” is….Google is free.

SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 19:15

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 18:57

I agree. I'm so fed up with male crimes being reported as committed by women.

It also obfuscates the issues.
For example writing

"She was given access to the female changing rooms" vs

"He was given access to the female changing rooms"

Make such a difference in getting the message across.

Absolutely. Way to easy to get the wrong idea.

reminds me that when people are reminded “trans women”
are 99% genital
intact, approval for them getting access to women’s changing rooms plummets.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 18:57

I agree. I'm so fed up with male crimes being reported as committed by women.

It also obfuscates the issues.
For example writing

"She was given access to the female changing rooms" vs

"He was given access to the female changing rooms"

Make such a difference in getting the message across.

AnSolas · 18/02/2025 18:54

Errors · 18/02/2025 15:36

I agree and I would also like to know if this affects crime stats? Does a trans woman committing a crime get recorded as a female?

Yes
It has impacted both set of stats

Police changed the way they recorded crimes.
so if you IDed into the "trans" classification you report was recorded under a "anti-trans hate" crime

So you Errors (F) go to the police as your NDN (M) was parking blocking your drive and you/NDN both hit each other.
You both report each other.
You dont ID as trans your NDN did
Before the change you have not committed a "hate" crime but after the record method changed you have.
And the sex box was renamed so you a female have assaulted another female.

So overnight your local nick went from having zero to a 100% increase in "anti-trans hate" crime.

That was used by the media and politicians.

In court for both caaes your NDN is reported as female and gets she/her prononus.

On conviction the stats would be
2 Female perpetrator
2 Female victim

If you IDed as trans
1 Female 1 Male perpetrator
1 Female 1 Male victim

And its a 200% jump in hate crimes

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 18/02/2025 18:49

Yanbu….obvs

Errors · 18/02/2025 18:39

TwistedWonder · 18/02/2025 18:22

Probably you’ll get told that TWAW and everyone who doesn’t agree is a hateful transphobic far right nazi bigot.

Just the same tired old cliches on repeat without actually offering any genuine insight to their thoughts.

Unfortunately some seem to think ‘misgendering’ a rapist in a bad wig and pink leggings is a worse crime than the sexual assault he’s committed and seem more concerned about his hurty menz feelz than the victim.

Edited

Yup.
People carry their wokeness as part of their identity and so get very defensive when it is challenged. Almost as though you are attacking them personally. I try never to pick a hill to die on, instead basing my opinions on whatever knowledge I have up to that point. I have never seen a valid argument in favour of transgender people’s right to take over women’s spaces.

They are very black and white in their thinking. In order to virtue signal and feel like a ‘good person’ they will believe that any ‘marginalised’ group is full of good people and they can do no wrong. I have seen threads on here where people have accused the OP of being racist because she has said that anyone who is not a British citizen who rapes a woman in this country should be deported back. Let’s forget for a moment that not everyone who isn’t British is non-white, just as not everyone who IS British is white, these people showed more compassion towards men committing violent crimes than the women on the receiving end of it. It beggars belief.

Do I believe that the majority of trans people are good people just trying to live their lives how they wish? Of course! Do I believe that there will be a number of them that want to abuse that? Absolutely. Do I believe that women should budge up for any of these people? Absolutely fucking not.

I can feel sympathy for an individual suffering from gender dysphoria and still believe that they should not have access to spaces meant for people of the opposite sex.

TwistedWonder · 18/02/2025 18:32

I will say some of the less #bekind media does what they’re instructed to and use the preferred pronouns but post a photo to clearly say up their readership ‘look with your eyes and see clearly what this person is even if we’re not allowed to actually use the words but come on, the state of it’

Regardless of its many faults the Daily Mail is very good at shining a light to show its readers exactly what’s going on

maximalistmaximus · 18/02/2025 18:32

Yanbu

scorpiogirly · 18/02/2025 18:30

Should be.. "Bob Jones, a 57 year old man from Wigan who now refers to himself as Barbara Jones..."

No more nonsense.

OneFineDay13 · 18/02/2025 18:23

Totally agree with you the wokeness of this country infuriates me

TwistedWonder · 18/02/2025 18:22

HermioneWeasley · 18/02/2025 16:52

Of course the press should report facts and not fantasies. I’d like to hear from some of the 12% who think you’re unreasonable

Probably you’ll get told that TWAW and everyone who doesn’t agree is a hateful transphobic far right nazi bigot.

Just the same tired old cliches on repeat without actually offering any genuine insight to their thoughts.

Unfortunately some seem to think ‘misgendering’ a rapist in a bad wig and pink leggings is a worse crime than the sexual assault he’s committed and seem more concerned about his hurty menz feelz than the victim.

Ddakji · 18/02/2025 18:22

Catza · 18/02/2025 15:40

Can you clarify "legally impossible act of women raping people'?

Under English and Welsh law (not sure about Scotland) rape requires a penis, ergo it’s a male crime.

BMW6 · 18/02/2025 18:20

Surely the answer is to refer to people as Male, Female, Transman or Transwoman universally then everyone knows who we all are.

The proposal that Transwomen are called Women and real Women are renamed CIS Women is stupid and illogical. The VAST majority are born women so no good reason for them to be renamed. The tiny minority can have the new name Transwomen.

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 18/02/2025 18:15

SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 18:00

Some people get angry this is on the big board. Might be that.

All of those poor people without movable thumbs - who can only jab at every single thread and open it, whether they want to or not, rather than being able to scroll past all of the ones that don't interest them like most of us, eh?

BiologicallyNebulous · 18/02/2025 18:15

I couldn’t agree more, it leads to really confusing reporting.

I would though like to a few steps further and record patient sex on hospital records as currently it is gender though blood result levels are adjusted for patient sex. 🙄

NotTerfNorCis · 18/02/2025 18:10

Totally agree. It's lying and creates distrust. Now whenever we get a report of a 'woman' committing a violent or sexual crime, we always doubt it's actually a woman.

Nanny0gg · 18/02/2025 18:07

Errors · 18/02/2025 15:36

I agree and I would also like to know if this affects crime stats? Does a trans woman committing a crime get recorded as a female?

They did, don't know if it's changed back

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 18:06

SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 18:00

Some people get angry this is on the big board. Might be that.

Some people think we spend too much time on it, apparently. It could also be that. 🫠

SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 18:00

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 16:57

Yes me too

Some people get angry this is on the big board. Might be that.

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SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 17:32

HermioneWeasley · 18/02/2025 16:52

Of course the press should report facts and not fantasies. I’d like to hear from some of the 12% who think you’re unreasonable

“Be kind”?

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TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 16:57

HermioneWeasley · 18/02/2025 16:52

Of course the press should report facts and not fantasies. I’d like to hear from some of the 12% who think you’re unreasonable

Yes me too

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 16:56

I never cease to be astonished that we got ourselves here. Imagine seeing this thread ten years ago?

I would have thought it was an elaborate hoax

HermioneWeasley · 18/02/2025 16:52

Of course the press should report facts and not fantasies. I’d like to hear from some of the 12% who think you’re unreasonable

NeelyOHara · 18/02/2025 16:49

Theeyeballsinthesky · 18/02/2025 16:44

Yes

It’s outrageous this is happening, it only benefits men to attribute their crimes to us.

CurbsideProphet · 18/02/2025 16:48

It does feel like 1984 territory when the press is telling the public "woman has been found guilty of rape", when the accompanying photo shows that "woman" is very clearly a man. Yet of course we are not "allowed" to say that a man is a man, for fear of offending his delicate sensibilities.

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