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AIBU to think the media should report people’s actual sex—not preferred gender—in legal cases, courts, and crime reporting?

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SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 14:59

A large portion of the country does not know what "transgender woman" means, (is it someone male being female or female being male?) And using incorrect pronouns from reality makes this worse.

Not to mention it clouds the reality of important cases such as Dr Beth Upton and Nurse Sandie Peggie - at a glance it could be easy for a casual reader to not know why Sandie was so upset, surely it's just another woman in the female changing rooms?

Language matters. Always. Twisting it and using it incorrectly leads to all sorts of misunderstandings, like "Her Penis" or "His Ovaries"

Has there been an uptick in the legally impossible act of women raping people? No. But according to the media, seemingly yes.

Organisations do this because IPSO (Independent Press Standards Organisation), forces them to do so, see this description from the Spectator, who had their hand forced https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/how-ipso-surrendered-to-the-trans-lobby/?homepage-tracking=high_density-article-1

For example this, awful story, is a male, raping and sexually abusing children under 13.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14392643/Transgender-woman-court-rape-girl-sexually-assault-boy.html

This should stop - it's not a matter of "outing" people, as the media often says "transgender woman", but it is a matter of being fair and clear to both sexes

The Scottish Express - has tried to stop doing so - and they have been reported to the police:
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/comment/scottish-express-referring-dr-beth-34670335

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Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 19/02/2025 08:15

To make it clear, I always use ‘trans-identifying man’ for a male person who says he’s a woman, and ‘trans-identifying woman’ for a female person who says she’s a man.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 19/02/2025 08:11

scorpiogirly · 18/02/2025 18:30

Should be.. "Bob Jones, a 57 year old man from Wigan who now refers to himself as Barbara Jones..."

No more nonsense.

Yes, this. The words transwoman and transman are confusing to most people, especially when people separate ‘trans’ from ‘woman’ or ‘man’ as if it’s an adjective like tall or French instead of meaning ‘actually the opposite sex’.

SernieBanders · 19/02/2025 07:05

UrsulaLongshanksTheFlamingo · 19/02/2025 00:41

Yes it does affect the stats. The police are now obliged to register someone's sex as whatever they "identify as". This is how we've ended up with males "identifying as women" in women's prisons.
I recommend the book "The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht" by Susan Dalgety and Lucy Hunter Blackburn, about the women who campaigned against Nicola Sturgeon's "self identify" law- in which all one needs to do to change "gender" is to say you do, and get a Gender Recognition Certificate, and off you go.
The book gives a examples of how crime stats have been skewed.

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What’s the worst effect of these numbers no longer being trustworthy I wonder?

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UrsulaLongshanksTheFlamingo · 19/02/2025 00:52

BMW6 · 18/02/2025 15:58

Do Transmen usually get some sort of penis created for their body - I mean a flesh and blood one, not a strap-on dildo.

If a transman has such a "created" penis could she commit Rape?

I agree that crimes should be recorded as committed by sex not gender, so perhaps a female could commit rape in these circumstances and it should be recorded as a such, so a woman could Rape.

Do you agree?

Most don't go through "gender reassignment surgery", or "GRN", but a pseudo penis can be put together with skin from elsewhere- usually the thigh. They can use a pump to make it erect.
I know a fair bit of the gory details because I've read so many books on the trans "craze". My brother was caught up in it over 20 yrs ago and went through full GRN. Regrets it now.

Material Girls by Kathleen Stock, is a very good one.

UrsulaLongshanksTheFlamingo · 19/02/2025 00:41

Errors · 18/02/2025 15:36

I agree and I would also like to know if this affects crime stats? Does a trans woman committing a crime get recorded as a female?

Yes it does affect the stats. The police are now obliged to register someone's sex as whatever they "identify as". This is how we've ended up with males "identifying as women" in women's prisons.
I recommend the book "The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht" by Susan Dalgety and Lucy Hunter Blackburn, about the women who campaigned against Nicola Sturgeon's "self identify" law- in which all one needs to do to change "gender" is to say you do, and get a Gender Recognition Certificate, and off you go.
The book gives a examples of how crime stats have been skewed.

UrsulaLongshanksTheFlamingo · 19/02/2025 00:30

Catza · 18/02/2025 15:40

Can you clarify "legally impossible act of women raping people'?

In UK law at least -don't know what other countries have as a definition- rape is officially any penetration of the vagina, anus or mouth by a penis, therefore a woman can only be guilty as an accomplice.

JellySaurus · 18/02/2025 23:33

At school we came up with an (unofficial) aide memoire: the XY has a little dangly bit, just like men do.

BMW6 · 18/02/2025 22:54

Lol sorry of course, I get xx and xy muddled sometimes 😅

JellySaurus · 18/02/2025 22:43

I'm sure you meant to type

If you have a Y chromosome you are, and will always be, male. Whatever you wear or do to your body.

BMW6 · 18/02/2025 22:36

Thanks for your thoughts on this

BodyKeepingScore
JellySaurus

And anyone else who responded to my post.
Makes sense to me. As usual it comes down to chromosomes, whatever genitalia you have, attach, remove or adjust.

If you have an X chromosome you are, and will always be, male. Whatever you wear or do to your body.

Helleofabore · 18/02/2025 22:12

YDNBU

JellySaurus · 18/02/2025 21:48

BMW6 · 18/02/2025 15:58

Do Transmen usually get some sort of penis created for their body - I mean a flesh and blood one, not a strap-on dildo.

If a transman has such a "created" penis could she commit Rape?

I agree that crimes should be recorded as committed by sex not gender, so perhaps a female could commit rape in these circumstances and it should be recorded as a such, so a woman could Rape.

Do you agree?

No, because it would not be a penis. It would be a piece of flesh from the female person's arm or thigh, refashioned to create an appendage that looked like a penis, and transplanted to her groin. It would have some sort of balloon inside it, which would have to be pumped up to make it stiff enough for penetration. It would therefore come under the category of a different part of the body or an object. Not a penis.

Unconsenting penetration by a penis is a crime that only a male human can commit. Males are referred to as he or him.

BodyKeepingScore · 18/02/2025 21:26

JHound · 18/02/2025 19:19

I really don’t think it matters in most instances to the general news reading public.

And if they don’t understand what a “trans woman” is….Google is free.

You don’t think it matters to people that suddenly there’s a spike in allegedly female sex offenders?

CeciledeVolangesdeNouveau · 18/02/2025 20:58

Lawyer interjects: sexual assault by penetrating the mouth, anus or vagina with something that isn't a penis is assault by penetration.

SernieBanders · 18/02/2025 20:45

Chersfrozenface · 18/02/2025 19:51

For example

"Transgender woman guilty of rape after night out"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckddgw0p8xvo

They were even presenting as male at the time of the offence!!

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sanityisamyth · 18/02/2025 20:08

100% agree.

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 20:03

DuesToTheDirt · 18/02/2025 20:00

It just defies belief that the courts, the police, the stats and the media are systematically and deliberately lying to us about male violence. It's enraging.

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And that thus is somehow seen as the 'progressive' thing to do 😵‍💫

DuesToTheDirt · 18/02/2025 20:00

YorkshirePuddingsGreatestFan · 18/02/2025 16:29

Yes it affects crime statistics.

We all know that some men are violent towards women. Therefore single sex spaces are justified as it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim - i.e. keeping women safe from male violence.

As we've started recording violent crime against women as committed by women (even though the perpetrator is biologically male), the crime statistics get watered down. It's harder to justify that a single sex space is needed for the protection of women as the stats now show that some women also commit violence against women.

It just defies belief that the courts, the police, the stats and the media are systematically and deliberately lying to us about male violence. It's enraging.

Chersfrozenface · 18/02/2025 19:51

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 19:46

But sometimes they say transgender woman or transgender female. It's not clear.

For example

"Transgender woman guilty of rape after night out"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckddgw0p8xvo

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 18/02/2025 19:46

JHound · 18/02/2025 19:19

I really don’t think it matters in most instances to the general news reading public.

And if they don’t understand what a “trans woman” is….Google is free.

But sometimes they say transgender woman or transgender female. It's not clear.

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 19:45

And surely it’s a duty of reporting to be clear. But so far as trans is concerned, being as obfuscating as possible is the name of the game, and you have to ask why.

Very well expressed

Ddakji · 18/02/2025 19:43

JHound · 18/02/2025 19:19

I really don’t think it matters in most instances to the general news reading public.

And if they don’t understand what a “trans woman” is….Google is free.

You have to know you need to Google something in order to Google it.

If you assume that a trans woman is a woman who iIDs trans (rather than a man who IDs as trans) why would you Google it?

And surely it’s a duty of reporting to be clear. But so far as trans is concerned, being as obfuscating as possible is the name of the game, and you have to ask why.

BodyKeepingScore · 18/02/2025 19:41

BMW6 · 18/02/2025 15:58

Do Transmen usually get some sort of penis created for their body - I mean a flesh and blood one, not a strap-on dildo.

If a transman has such a "created" penis could she commit Rape?

I agree that crimes should be recorded as committed by sex not gender, so perhaps a female could commit rape in these circumstances and it should be recorded as a such, so a woman could Rape.

Do you agree?

A flesh tube made of arm grafted from their arm or thigh is not a penis.

So no.

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 19:32

JHound · 18/02/2025 19:19

I really don’t think it matters in most instances to the general news reading public.

And if they don’t understand what a “trans woman” is….Google is free.

And Google misses the point.

People look at the word and assume biological woman - they don't think to look it up.

TheKeatingFive · 18/02/2025 19:26

JHound · 18/02/2025 19:19

I really don’t think it matters in most instances to the general news reading public.

And if they don’t understand what a “trans woman” is….Google is free.

You don't think it matters if the media are lying to us about the sex of people they're reporting on?

Seriously?

What else doesn't matter? Age? Area of the country? Incident they're involved in?

Why report at all if what you're reporting isn't true?

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