AIBU to think the media should report people’s actual sex—not preferred gender—in legal cases, courts, and crime reporting?

And don't forget that those figures suggest only one crime per prisoner which is unlikely. So the reality is that there's more we don't know.

Thank you for this excellent breakdown.

For anyone who wants to read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK here are some.

This was a question answered this month:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was

48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other
77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,

This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population. And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

of course YANBU it is absolutely relevant that they are men

I think they should be reported as men who self identify as woman

few others would identify them as women majority would not see them as a man in women's clothing wearing make up

No, because 'men who identify as transwomen' implies that TW are a subset of women. It implies also that being a TW is as concrete as being a man. It is not. Being a TW is s as concrete as being a Christian or a Lib Dem, ie is abstract.

No, I think the media should refer to transwomen as 'men who identify as women'. Then it's clear that they are men, not a subset of women.

Good idea, @SernieBanders - I have emailed them.

YANBU.

Well, they are programmed to be kind, Keating!

For sure. And I totally get how the academic classes got behind all this.

But so many relatively ordinary people, without these pretensions to grandeur? Still can't compute it. Were they just asleep at the wheel?

I think the media should refer to transwomen as 'men who identify as transwomen'. Then it's clear that they are men, not a subset of women.

We now have many years of evidence to show that men who identify as women simply don't act like us, as a class.

The New York Times last week revealed that 15% of the 'women' in Federal prison in the US are transwomen. Given that men who identify as us are around 0.5% of women, that suggests that they are 60 times more likely to be in federal prison than actual women.

And here in the UK, over 70% of the transwomen in prison have committed sex crimes or violent crime.

From the Telegraph:
"More than 70 per cent of transgender prisoners in British jails are serving sentences for sex offences and violent crimes, government figures have revealed.
At least 181 of the 244 transgender inmates, more than 74 per cent, are in jail for crimes including rape, forcing under-age children into having sex, grievous bodily harm and robbery.
Up to 144 transgender women, men who identify as females, are housed in male prisons while five are currently imprisoned in female jails - including at least one top-security institution where murderers and terrorists are being detained."

The press has a duty to report this accurately because women need to know the difference between the way women and transwomen act if we are to make informed decisions about who should be allowed into women's spaces.

But you know Keating.

Postmodernism allows that someone’s described reality is materially real to them, therefore who in these organisations are allowed to tell others what their reality is.

Anyone who uses preferred language is supporting the concept that postmodernist belief that a person can change sex. whether they intend to or not, that is the outcome. They are supporting that a postmodernist belief is materially real.

The act of using a person’s demanded language is not a harmless act and nor is it respectful.

Agree with PPs, biological sex should alway be reported along with any special identity, if applicable. Same for crime stats.

The vast majority of crime is perpetrated by men, even a few male crimes reported/recorded as female has a disproportionate effect.

https://www.nao.org.uk/reports/improving-outcomes-for-women-in-the-criminal-justice-system/
Women are a minority in the CJS and accounted for just 4% of the prison population as at September 2021.

And legal name.

The police should too and the courts should only use legal names. These are formal settings.

Multiple people have tried to explain but I still don't get this.

How did so many people think it was a good idea to replace actual, real, verifiable, objective biological sex ...

With some undefinable notion going on in people's heads.

I'm not sure I'll ever understand that. How did people not see it for the pure nonsense that it is?

In fairness to the Mail (who I would never normally support) that is almost exactly what they say in this article.

There are other sexual assault charges such as assault by penetration (for example when a finger or item is used) but yes rape can only be done by a person with a penis, ie a man.

It's ridiculous we're even having to debate this.

Of course real biological sex should be reported. Real biological sex should be recorded as crime stats too. 😡

Well they should but the governing body is captured so whilst some
Media outlets are rebelling we have policy to unpick.

Same goes for Judiciary.

I mean it's better than it was a couple of years ago but totally agree OP.

Lawfare was the only way we were going to get this resolved as all the cases over the last few years have shown.

Are the police actually obliged to register perpetrators by gender self-ID rather than material sex? Is there any legal requirement to do so? Or are they following guidelines drawn up by a body that has been guided by trans ideologist in its interpretation of the law ?

Safeguarding laws and practices being weakened because the (incorrect) stats no longer show that men are by far the main problem.

It is even worse than reporting someone's starsign [for all the relevance that has] as this gives vile men who hate women a reason to scream about how vile women are. When the people they are screaming about are men.

Me too. Much clearer.