To Think The Daily Mail Cannot Stoop Much Lower

I say YABU because I don’t know how or when but I know they will. And

Of course it’s good and makes total sense. Unfortunately it’s being twisted on this thread to make it all about arms dealing by some posters who just want to have a dig at the right wing press.

The DM is a war-mongering, divisive, fear-raking, capitalist, shameless piece of shit.

So why even go to the site if that's what you think of it. I don't like football so I ignore anything to do with it, news articles, pubs showing live matches etc, which is a lot harder to do than you not clicking on a DM article.

then there was the nic cage film lord of war

Great argument, very eloquent.
The Mail is generally unpleasant, its hardly news and that link is behind a paywall anyway.
As for can they sink lower? I am sure they can and will

The purpose of the DM is not moral guidance but to sell newspapers/subscriptions, hence the click bait headline while also providing useful information/advice to their readers. I would therefore say that their response here is in line with their business objectives, so not unexpected, and certainly not worth getting worked up about.

I'm surprised anyone didn't release war and the military in general are a very profitable business. Arms manufacturers don't craft precision technology for killing purely out of the goodness of their hearts, like any business the aim to is make as much money as possible.

It's not really immoral either. Better for a UK based company to make a killing selling their weapons for a foreign war than all the money going to Russian manufacturers, surely? At least the money helps the UK economy and gets our exports up.

The choice isn't between "good" countries making weapons and nobody making weapons, it's between "good" countries making them and "bad" countries making them.

Anyone who watches the business and finance channel, Bloomberg tv would already have come to the same conclusion as the DM article writer. Investors only need to decide which country's defence stocks to buy.

Yesterday, UK defence stocks increased in value by £4bn in advance of the Ukraine peace talks. I am sure that many pension funds are already actively invested in that sector, as well as technology that has military capability.

I think most people reading Daily Mail absolutely detest war and violence but are pragmatic enough to understand that if your enemies are investing in weapons then it's probably good to do the same to have some deterrent.

I agree with you there's no reason the pp has that right.

For some paywalls, not all. You can also search https://archive.md to see if someone has already archived the link. DM links are usually archived, I suspect someone automates it deliberately.

For other paywalls there are some tricks you can do with javascript, and for some you can delve into the source code to dig out the text.

Publications I really respect, like The Economist, I subscribe to. But I can't bring myself to subscribe to the Daily Mail ;)

I think most people reading Daily Mail absolutely detest war and violence but are pragmatic enough to understand that if your enemies are investing in weapons then it's probably good to do the same to have some deterrent.

Agree. You have to pay for the M+, and why would you , if you don’t share similar views?

Well if it wasn’t U.K. arms being sold it would be US or Chinese or whoever.
its like banning oil platforms in the North Sea -then shipping g it from Saudi which is less environmentally friendly/and much harder on their immigrant oil workers.
. I bet most posters on this thread have never bought a share .

Surely upping our ability to defend ourselves from within is good in various way, including job creation and stimulating the economy.

I work near the excel centre in East London, there is the most massive arms fair there every year. Its almost entirely British companies and our armed forces, I know because their workers are on the DLR with me. There are protests some of which the police take very seriously most years.
So anyone worried about the British Arms industry needed be. I read in the guardian that Britain has a thriving arms industry and sells to anyone no matter how evil. I hope we stopped selling to the Russians after 2014 but who knows.
And I grew up reading the Daily Mail because my mother was very unpleasant and enjoyed it. Didn't the press Baron who founded it said he was giving little people their daily hate? Just because something is popular doesn't make it right!

What do you think the whole Ukraine thing has been about for Zelensky? Those at the top, profit, in a way it's giving everyone a chance. As said, all of us do ok out of the various conflicts, pension etc investments, reducing populations, destroying the environment which makes people desperate. Come the £1 Easter eggs in the shops, no-one asks how we get such a labour intense product for that price.

Quite easily really. It's just facts. You decided the spin.

Absolutely . As with anyone who invests money via their pension , isa etc or do you all have ethical investment only stamped across happy if you don't earn much but at least you can baulk in the milk of human kindness over your white bread and beans supper .