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To think a lot of horse owners don't deserve their animals?

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Goodnurseorgremlin · 16/02/2025 21:20

I keep my horse on a DIY livery yard. We have access to daily turnout with no time restrictions throughout the entire winter.

For the last three months the vast majority of the horses on the yard have had little to no turnout. Some literally stand in their stables for days/weeks at a time, with the owners mucking out around them. I could count on one hand the horses that are regularly turned out aside from my own

It just makes me so so sad. These poor animals being imprisoned for months at a time for no good reason. The owners basically can't be arsed to turn out and bring in because they don't want to walk to the fields or get themselves/their horses muddy.

AIBU to think these people don't deserve the privilege of caring for these amazing animals if they can't even be arsed to meet their basic need for freedom?

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AzurePanda · 23/02/2025 19:16

@biscuitsandbooks yes I’m sure they’re much happier and healthier than horses who spend most of their time stabled.

biscuitsandbooks · 22/02/2025 12:28

Mama2many73 · 21/02/2025 22:53

Can I ask a genuine question?
In a large field near us there are 5 horses, 4 large black rough haired, 1 smaller brown sleek haired.
They are in the field 24/7, 365 days a year. The field is massive andvery open, ajoining 2 other fields with a simple wood bar type fence. The other 2 sides are fenced with some shrubs on the outer side of the fence. There is literally no shelter at all for the horses to use, and no buildings, and they are out in all weather's.
I know horses run wild in some parts of UK but often have some for of natural shelter they can shelter in, if they choose too.
All the other fields with horses have somewhere to shelter and/or they have the coats on. These 5 look heakthy, well fed and regularly have a new roll of hay but I've never seen anyone attend them, ever.
I feel very sorry for them, esp in bad weather, but I'm very soft and no nowt about horses!!
Is this normal/ acceptable?

Most native type horses will be absolutely fine with that kind of set-up. The only real reason many horses need rugs is because they're clipped or because they're not native horses and therefore aren't really designed for damp or windy climates like ours.

Horses left "natural" will grow up winter coats and eat more to maintain their temperature - they don't need rugs or lots of intervention from us.

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/02/2025 05:08

The pretty much universal abuse and welfare issues surrounding horse ownership is why I gravitated away from horses and toward dogs (professionally) in my youth.

Pretty much all of owning a horse means compromise and it is the horse that does the compromising, not the human.

Horses are meant to be wandering around over many miles per day, eating as they go, dozing periodically, covering a variety of terrain and existing on a continuous trickle feed of low calorie grasses.

They live in social groups from just a pair that may shift and change over time to large groups.

They are adapted for dry climates, but varying temperatures.

What do we do to horses?

We keep them in isolation, we stop them moving, we stop them forming social groups or force them into groups they would not choose that cause them stress. We prevent them grazing because we keep them on wet ground with high moisture, high calorie grass (designed for grazing cattle on to produce milk/beef), then we feed them grains to provide the calories they failed to get...

We shut them into tiny spaces, ride them long before their bodies are done growing, breed them to have non-functional conformation and a predisposition toward painful conditions (look at the stats for how many Thoroughbreds have kissing spine), train them using positive punishment and negative reinforcement almost exclusively.

We hack up their feet because we stopped them moving naturally and freely over terrain, we fuck up their mouths with bits or their faces with pressure halters, their backs with saddles, their ribs with girths.

And then bitch and moan that our horse is an 'asshole' and 'naughty'.

This of course, isn't everyone - but it is the majority unfortunately because most people don't own land, or sufficient land to keep horses appropriately anyway. With the best will in the world, it is impossible for most people to meet all of a horses demands, and so much of it is accepted as 'the norm'.. because it is so common.

Umidontknow · 22/02/2025 00:52

Mama2many73 · 21/02/2025 22:53

Can I ask a genuine question?
In a large field near us there are 5 horses, 4 large black rough haired, 1 smaller brown sleek haired.
They are in the field 24/7, 365 days a year. The field is massive andvery open, ajoining 2 other fields with a simple wood bar type fence. The other 2 sides are fenced with some shrubs on the outer side of the fence. There is literally no shelter at all for the horses to use, and no buildings, and they are out in all weather's.
I know horses run wild in some parts of UK but often have some for of natural shelter they can shelter in, if they choose too.
All the other fields with horses have somewhere to shelter and/or they have the coats on. These 5 look heakthy, well fed and regularly have a new roll of hay but I've never seen anyone attend them, ever.
I feel very sorry for them, esp in bad weather, but I'm very soft and no nowt about horses!!
Is this normal/ acceptable?

Ideally they should have shelter, whether it's hedges or a field shelter, but they sound like cobs. Their coat is very thick and greasy so they are pretty waterproof if they are left to their own devices. Rugging and over grooming can strip the coat of the grease though and cobs can over heat in rugs if they aren't clipped. If they have plenty to eat too that will help them regulate their body temperature and hold their weight. Over all they are probably far happier than a horse that's over stabled even if they are a bit soggy and muddy

Mama2many73 · 21/02/2025 22:53

Can I ask a genuine question?
In a large field near us there are 5 horses, 4 large black rough haired, 1 smaller brown sleek haired.
They are in the field 24/7, 365 days a year. The field is massive andvery open, ajoining 2 other fields with a simple wood bar type fence. The other 2 sides are fenced with some shrubs on the outer side of the fence. There is literally no shelter at all for the horses to use, and no buildings, and they are out in all weather's.
I know horses run wild in some parts of UK but often have some for of natural shelter they can shelter in, if they choose too.
All the other fields with horses have somewhere to shelter and/or they have the coats on. These 5 look heakthy, well fed and regularly have a new roll of hay but I've never seen anyone attend them, ever.
I feel very sorry for them, esp in bad weather, but I'm very soft and no nowt about horses!!
Is this normal/ acceptable?

Poppinjay · 21/02/2025 22:11

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

Horses are herd animals who are designed to graze. That means they need company, freedom to move and a constant supply of food. It is actively cruel not to meet these basic needs.

If you have to stable a horse for a while they should be able to see their stablemates, have someone checking several times a day to make sure they have hay and water, toys to entertain them, be put on a walker once a day and either ridden or hand-grazed once a day. Anything less is unacceptable.

ImAChangeling · 18/02/2025 04:16

My knowledge may be out dated but I was taught that a fully stabled horse needs visiting three times a day at minimum, and to be ridden for at least an hour each day. And to provide enrichment in the stable.

ImAChangeling · 18/02/2025 04:12

I’m horrified that people are doing this to their horses. It’s completely unacceptable. I haven’t owned a horse for 20 years because I am realistic about the time commitment involved!!

Umidontknow · 18/02/2025 04:03

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:03

Only come to see them once a day? How often are they supposed to come? People work and have other responsibilities, are they expected to visit 3 times a day to get the horse out of bed in the morning and tuck it in at night?

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

Horses living out with plenty of grazing can be checked once a day, but twice a day for stabled horses is a very basic requirement. Even if they are staying in they will need fresh water and more hay (their stomach starts to ulcerate after a few hours with out food. Their digestive system is designed to trickle feed forage) and ideally mucking out again so they arent just stood in their own shit for hours. Zero turnout for days/weeks/months is a welfare issue it just gets over looked because its easier for people. The owners having other things to do should not be the horses problem. They need to either pay for someone to do the horse when they can't or put in the work themselves.

LennysRucksack · 17/02/2025 20:26

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 17/02/2025 16:36

Oh god the poor draft doing his circles has broken my heart

I know it was very sad - I wondered if he'd ever enjoy his freedom properly. But he did - for a horse that had hardly been anywhere and had full bars on his stable to stop him windsucking, he ended up being the most steady, sensible, relaxed hack and a very loving chap. let's not talk about the time he tanked off with me across the golf course the little shit

He did go on to one more home after me but he was very much loved, such a gorgeous looking and HUGE draft! He died peacefully in his stable at the age of 22. 🥹

biscuitsandbooks · 17/02/2025 19:24

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:03

Only come to see them once a day? How often are they supposed to come? People work and have other responsibilities, are they expected to visit 3 times a day to get the horse out of bed in the morning and tuck it in at night?

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

Yes, owners are expected to visit two times a day at a minimum to turn their horses out, feed them and just generally check on their welfare. If you can't do that (or can't afford to pay someone to do it) then you have no business getting a horse.

How would you like to be shut up in a box the size of your bathroom, fed once a day and isolated with no company for the rest of the time?

Because that's what life is like for horses who are shut up in their stables 24/7. It is actively cruel and should be illegal. If a horse has to be stabled for recovery or illness, then that's different, but owners should be making arrangements to visit more often and should provide enrichment for their horses during that time.

Needanewnameidea · 17/02/2025 19:24

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:10

Isn't that what you pay stable staff to do? (no clue, I have never had a horse or had any desire to be anywhere near them)

You can pay full livery, where someone takes care of your horse for you, but if OP is on a DIY yard that means horse care is down to the owner, you’re just paying for rent and sometimes hay/bedding depending on your yard arrangements.

You should expect to visit the horse at minimum twice a day (even if it lives out in a field 24/7 they need checking to make sure they’re ok and haven’t hurt themselves, water supply is working, they aren’t colicking etc), and that includes a fair amount of getting muddy, cold and rained on. It is not ok to keep your horse in its box just because you don’t want to walk it to its field or get muddy feet.

Horses are a lifestyle, they are not and have never been a low maintenance option. If you can’t fit proper horse care around work and family commitments you either pay for part/full livery where staff do some/all of the chores for you, or you don’t have horses. Not being actively cruel to it is a pretty shit and low bar for being a suitable owner, even if you don’t think locking it in a box and visiting once a day is actively cruel - which I do.

Goodnurseorgremlin · 17/02/2025 19:13

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:10

Isn't that what you pay stable staff to do? (no clue, I have never had a horse or had any desire to be anywhere near them)

It's a DIY yard. The owners are fully responsible for their horses care.

Also to clarify...all the owners have access to fields for daily winter turnout. It's not a case of us not having it, it's a case of people not being arsed to turn out.

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Goodnurseorgremlin · 17/02/2025 19:11

A stabled horse should be visited at a minimum of twice a day.

Horses need to eat almost constantly. It is the way they are designed. These horses are getting a haynet, eating it and then standing for 10 plus hours with nothing to eat. It puts them at risk of colic/developing ulcers etc.

Leaving a horse stuck in a 12×12 stable and not taking it out for weeks at a time absolutely IS cruelty. Would you like to live in your bathroom and be fed once a day for a month??

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SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:10

Isn't that what you pay stable staff to do? (no clue, I have never had a horse or had any desire to be anywhere near them)

wherearemypastnames · 17/02/2025 18:05

Sounds like OP thinks - and may well be right- that horses should be let out during the day not imprisoned and if the owner is too busy to do that they are too busy to own a horse

SnoozingFox · 17/02/2025 18:03

Goodnurseorgremlin · 16/02/2025 21:32

@lammasEve Well some of the owners only come to see them once a day! I've had horses nearly all my life and never known anything like it!!

Only come to see them once a day? How often are they supposed to come? People work and have other responsibilities, are they expected to visit 3 times a day to get the horse out of bed in the morning and tuck it in at night?

Also "deserve" is a weird take on this - if people can afford to buy, keep and feed a horse, and aren't actively cruel to it, that's fine, isn't it? Horse owners aren't graded as to how well they are doing?

biscuitsandbooks · 17/02/2025 17:58

I do hear of yards that don't provide much turnout, it seems to be all about protecting the grass rather than the horse welfare. I just couldn't do that to a horse

I think some yards take on way too many horses and then can't give them enough turnout as a result. The cost of keeping horses has absolutely skyrocketed lately and I think that doesn't help.

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 17/02/2025 16:36

LennysRucksack · 17/02/2025 13:26

Back in the late 90s I worked at an Equestrian Centre (aka riding school). Every November, when the multiple fields started getting dangerously muddy and poached, the riding school horses were brought in full time, save for maybe an hour a day turnout together in the indoor schools (ponies in one, horses in the other).

It made them fractious, skittish and bad tempered, and we all knew which horses suffered the most and would buck people off or turn tail and bolt. It was incredibly stressful and I only last 18 months (so I covered two winters).

The job of turning out 23 fresh horses in March/April who had been indoors for 4-5 months was pretty dangerous as well. Dreadful place, shut down now thankfully.

I once took on a beautiful Irish Draft who had only ever been turned out for an hour a day on a horse walker for his entire 9 years of life (other than doing elementary dressage)! When I put him in a field he didn't know how to horse and walked in a sad little 10m circle for the first few days. He soon got the hang of it though. 😁

Oh god the poor draft doing his circles has broken my heart

Allthegoodhorses · 17/02/2025 16:30

helpfulperson · 17/02/2025 11:07

To be honest I think keeping horses to ride is pretty indefensible anyway. No other pets are used in quite the same way by owners. And disposed of or sold on when no longer of use such as a child outgrowing them. For all others 'a pet is for life' is the mantra.

Every horse I have owned has stayed with me for life. They are just as much a pet as the dog/cat/kids.

Allthegoodhorses · 17/02/2025 16:27

I am currently compromising at a livery yard where my horse has to be stabled at night. To be honest I thought she would hate it as previously much preferred to be out 24/7 but as the whole herd come in at the same time and she does not want to be left out she is coping well. Of course, it helps to come into two big haynets to munch on. They go out at about 8.30am and come in about 4.30pm at the moment, during the summer months that is turned round so they are out of the flies/sun during the day and out at night. They do also go out whatever the weather albeit suitably rugged (most are clipped).

I did keep her at one place who said they would be turned out everyday. After a few weeks it was painfully obvious that she was being turned out maybe 2 hours a day every 2-3 days. She became incredibly difficult to ride and was very unhappy, I lasted there 5 weeks before moving her.

I do hear of yards that don't provide much turnout, it seems to be all about protecting the grass rather than the horse welfare. I just couldn't do that to a horse

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 17/02/2025 16:11

Whaaaat that's mind blowing.
I thought owners wanted as much turnout as possible and always more than what the livery yard wants to offer. I'm surprised that so many can't be arsed, I thought it would be the very occasional odd person.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/02/2025 16:05

m00rfarm · 17/02/2025 13:05

Most horses want to come in during the winter within 5 hours. THey don't particularly lashing rain, icy conditions 24/7. Not all, but most. And it also gives the fields a small chance to recover.

Personally I don't think people should be keeping horses if the only options are "outside in lashing rain" or "cooped up in a stable" - they should have a choice.

Free access to both a field with shelter, and their stable too. Let them decide where they want to be and when.

I also suspect many horses who "want to come in" do so because they're fed in their stables. Not all, obviously, but many.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/02/2025 16:01

helpfulperson · 17/02/2025 11:07

To be honest I think keeping horses to ride is pretty indefensible anyway. No other pets are used in quite the same way by owners. And disposed of or sold on when no longer of use such as a child outgrowing them. For all others 'a pet is for life' is the mantra.

I'm not convinced it's particularly kind to keep a horse that you can no longer ride when the alternative is to re-home it somewhere where it can fulfil its' potential.

I agree that elderly horses should be a commitment and kept on as field ornaments, but with young, fit, healthy horses that the owners have outgrown, I personally think it makes much more sense to give them to new homes.

biscuitsandbooks · 17/02/2025 15:58

elastamum · 17/02/2025 12:20

Oh give over. There are a huge range of opinions on this thread, but you seem to have decided just to pick on me. Hope it makes you feel better. I'm out.

Well, I'm not the only one who commented on your post, so not sure why you've picked me to snipe at.

Oh well, as you say, hope it makes you feel better.

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