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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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blueshoes · 16/02/2025 16:39

Matronic6 · 16/02/2025 16:28

Oh wise up. OP is not publishing a scientific journal. She formed an opinion about an article she read, doesn't matter if it's just a snippet. She doesn't need to read the whole article to be entitled to an opinion.

Weird you are so outraged by OP sharing her thoughts yet have no issue with the opinions expressed in the initial article not being supported by any actual data.

Spot on

KnewYearKnewMe · 16/02/2025 16:38

The main article is very nuanced.

The snapshot available via the OPs link has been abridged and sensationalised.

RamblingEclectic · 16/02/2025 16:36

Schools are obsessed with attendance because they are judged on it and incentivised to do basically anything to increase it. In secondary the high correlation between high attendance and good results on exams, as well as low attendance and anti-social behaviour outside of school are both significant reasons why they're judged and incentivised to do so.

OFSTED and similar treat high attendance as major indicator that the kids want to be there and the school is doing things right. The difference between attendance of different demographics is used to indicate how well and fairly different groups are treated. It's a quantitative hammer used to indicate many qualitative things, some that are only loosely connected.

fussychica · 16/02/2025 16:36

When I read the article this morning 70% of Times readers who had taken part in the poll agreed with him.

RedToothBrush · 16/02/2025 16:36

Is the issue kids being sent in by parents when they shouldn't, or kids being kept off by parents who are WFH so can facilitate kids being home appropriately!?

Has this guy looked at the difference?!

MumblesParty · 16/02/2025 16:32

Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 14:40

Invite viruses I to a school
Inevitable that some kids will get it worse than others and be off.

This obsession with attendance is ridiculous.

If my kid is ill, my kid stays off, I couldn't give a fuck about the schools attendance score, I care about my kid.

@Ankhmo but there’s ill and there’s ill. All of us keep our kids off school if they’re really unwell, but some people define “unwell” as having a cold. DS has a happy, sporty, bright NT friend whose mum frequently keeps him off “because he was a bit emotional last night”. She works from home.

whippy1981 · 16/02/2025 16:30

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:08

Schools still expected high attendance rates from the moment lockdown was over.

Nope they didn't. They expected kids who were ill to stay at home. They factored in that attendance would be lower.

Matronic6 · 16/02/2025 16:28

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 16:15

The abstract does not refer to the other factors he speaks about including lockdown and mental health

Oh wise up. OP is not publishing a scientific journal. She formed an opinion about an article she read, doesn't matter if it's just a snippet. She doesn't need to read the whole article to be entitled to an opinion.

Weird you are so outraged by OP sharing her thoughts yet have no issue with the opinions expressed in the initial article not being supported by any actual data.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:27

2010Aussie · 16/02/2025 16:19

Couldn't agree more - schools are completely OBSESSED with attendance records.
A while back, I was in a pharmacy waiting for a prescription. There was a young child there with his mother. He was ill. His face was grey and he had a very bad cough. The mother was in tears on the phone to the school trying to explain the situation. I took the phone from her, explained that I had paramedic qualifications and said that the child was ill and needed to be home in bed. I asked the woman at the school if she wanted a child with a contagious disease to come to school and infect lots of other children who would then be absent from school themselves. She hung up on me.

I agree, we have a new head who seems to think parents are really titillated by a weekly competition over absence dates in the newsletter. “Well done to year 4 who had the highest attendance this week!”. Why are you congratulating children on not being sick? It’s just weird. And parents just think this is weird.

I’m speaking as someone with a son who has a chronic condition whose attendance rate is good this year but by the grace of having a spell of good health. Other years before he had certain support and treatment it’s been poor and I hate that he’s punished for something he can’t help. although I’m pretty hardy with going into school - he has to be VERY bad before he gets time off.

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Moltenpink · 16/02/2025 16:26

REDB99 · 16/02/2025 15:15

But why don’t you still give them calpol and send them in? If you managed that before but now let them stay off then you’re using your WFH to enable your kids to be off school. If they’re too ill then of course they should be off but you’ve stated that you would have sent them in previously but now don’t as you WFH. Hence, people think that that an increase in WFH has led to an increase in school absence, you’ve just proved the link in your case.

Yes, I was agreeing that there probably is a link. I didn’t take any pleasure in sending my ill children to school, I’m much happier now they can stay off with me when they need to.

The PP above makes a good point though, that a couple of generations ago, SAHM were the norm so that contradicts the argument

RamblingEclectic · 16/02/2025 16:26

I don't think he sounds resentful. He doesn't think it's unfair people are working from home, but that he views his father and his own ways of working as superior examples for children and kids seeing adults go out to work would somehow increase attendance rates. That's where his (or possibly the writer of the article) argument falls down.

It's quite possible the increase in WFH is one of many factors, particularly in the way others brought up around illnesses, but the idea that it's a major factor has little backing it up. There is no acknowledgement that children have had parents who work patterns that do not line up with the school day well before this increase. Parents who work nights & so are in bed while kids are in school, parents who work shifts or professions that for many years worked compressed hours or shorter weeks, jobs where work is more ad-hoc, as well are those who have parents or other carers who don't work at all or the opposite and the far more traditional form of work where it's in the household and there is no separation of work and the rest of life.

Having worked from home and in the last year changed careers intentionally to work outside of it, I think the refrain that those who don't work at home are resentful or jealous of those that do is unhelpful.

Shame he doesn’t mention the fact so many low income families are persistently absent

He may have mentioned that and many other things didn't make it into the article. The Telegraph has played a part in the push back to the office so we have to take the lean of the article with a few pinches of salt.

2010Aussie · 16/02/2025 16:26

ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 16:21

Of course she hung up. He wasn't your child and she couldn't discuss his health with you.

Perfectly acceptable for the school to bully the mother and reduce her to tears though. The mother gave me permission to talk to the school about her child's health after I offered to do so. I did suggest to her that she mention this to the pharmacist and see if he would speak to the school but I was served shortly afterwards and left.

Cattreesea · 16/02/2025 16:25

Does not seem very logical...

If a parent works from home they want to do so in a quiet house without being interrupted by their kids all the time. Surely that means making sure those children are at school!

VickyEadieofThigh · 16/02/2025 16:25

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 16/02/2025 16:14

The issue is not WFH though! There is an issue but he’s got it totally skewed. Why does he see his dad going off to work hours before he woke up as a positive when we don’t have to do that anymore? I WFH and can’t think of anything worse than having my kids hanging about while I’m trying to juggle work, meetings and catering to their needs. I love the fact that I get to take them to school at 8.30 and then start work 15 mins later.

My Dad was a coal miner and worked shifts which meant I rarely saw him 'go off to work'. This had zero impact on my attendance.

The reasons for absence rates in schools vary and this new Ofsted bloke (who has already not exactly covered himself in glory with his Trumpian pronouncements) knows this perfectly well.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:23

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 16:15

The abstract does not refer to the other factors he speaks about including lockdown and mental health

Because it doesn’t need to. It’s not relevant. Him saying children with MH issues are often absence doesn’t change the absolute nonsense he’s spouted about WFH parents

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blueshoes · 16/02/2025 16:22

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 16:15

The abstract does not refer to the other factors he speaks about including lockdown and mental health

This does not negate that the fact that the WFH speculation is utter batshit.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:22

1MuffinSocks · 16/02/2025 16:14

I haven't RTFT or the article but why single out WFH parents? Parents are at home as SAHP, not working at all for many reasons or home in the day because they work shifts for example. Why single out WFH parents from all the other parents who are at home?

Exactly. It’s all just very odd

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ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 16:21

2010Aussie · 16/02/2025 16:19

Couldn't agree more - schools are completely OBSESSED with attendance records.
A while back, I was in a pharmacy waiting for a prescription. There was a young child there with his mother. He was ill. His face was grey and he had a very bad cough. The mother was in tears on the phone to the school trying to explain the situation. I took the phone from her, explained that I had paramedic qualifications and said that the child was ill and needed to be home in bed. I asked the woman at the school if she wanted a child with a contagious disease to come to school and infect lots of other children who would then be absent from school themselves. She hung up on me.

Of course she hung up. He wasn't your child and she couldn't discuss his health with you.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:21

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 16:14

He goes on to say other very serious and important factors such as lockdown and mental health

but you’ve somewhat skirted over that

if this was one of my A-level pupils, who referred to an article in an essay that they’d only actually read an abstract of, I’d have been pretty disappointed. Scrap that.., if it was a year 10 I’d have been disappointed and marked them down 😆

I haven’t skirted over it. I never stated or implied he WHOLLY blamed low attendance with people WFH. If anything the info about mental health just bolsters my point - he stated that because it’s based on facts. The WFH point is just a theory. So if he CAN deduce causes based on fact, why go for a baseless stab in the dark?

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2010Aussie · 16/02/2025 16:19

Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 14:40

Invite viruses I to a school
Inevitable that some kids will get it worse than others and be off.

This obsession with attendance is ridiculous.

If my kid is ill, my kid stays off, I couldn't give a fuck about the schools attendance score, I care about my kid.

Couldn't agree more - schools are completely OBSESSED with attendance records.
A while back, I was in a pharmacy waiting for a prescription. There was a young child there with his mother. He was ill. His face was grey and he had a very bad cough. The mother was in tears on the phone to the school trying to explain the situation. I took the phone from her, explained that I had paramedic qualifications and said that the child was ill and needed to be home in bed. I asked the woman at the school if she wanted a child with a contagious disease to come to school and infect lots of other children who would then be absent from school themselves. She hung up on me.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:19

Zone2NorthLondon · 16/02/2025 16:14

You started a thread being disparaging about an article that you have not actually read.
Interesting approach.
1/10 try harder

I had read the same text as it’s always a cut and paste job.

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:19

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:41

Yes stats.

Correlating the exponential increase in WFH with the exponential increase in absences, and often on Fridays

Well this was just wrong wasn’t it.

It didn’t provide stats on people WFH at all, and the only correlation stated was absence rates before lockdown vs after, NOT people who now WFH. Did you not read the article properly?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:17

@ilovesooty I had read the article I posted about - which is a cut and paste job of the Times article.

i don’t know why people are still wrongly banging on about me it reading the article instead of stating perhaps why they think I’m wrong.

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ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 16:16

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:08

Schools still expected high attendance rates from the moment lockdown was over.

Schools expect what Ofsted tells them to expect.

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 16:15

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:14

I wrote it about the ITV article which is the same as the Times article minus the stuff about the new report card. It’s very well known outlets copy and paste text from other outlets, it was never going to be any different.

The abstract does not refer to the other factors he speaks about including lockdown and mental health