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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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TemporaryPosition · 16/02/2025 18:47

soupyspoon · 16/02/2025 18:45

Blimey its a figure of speech!!!

OK fair enough!! I was just curious because I know so many people who take dangerous amounts of paracetamol because they think that as they're available in supermarkets the guideline doses are well below lethal thresholds

StrivingForSleep · 16/02/2025 18:46

@HeyDrake I didn’t say parents couldn’t also work on it. My post was more in relation to your post misunderstanding the scope of what an EHCP can provide. If you knew what an EHCP could provide you wouldn’t have written the abstract below.

I'm not convinced that EHCP's are the solution to EBSA either. EBSA is a mental health issue, although some school adjustments are beneficial, I have yet to see an EHCP massively reduce school anxiety.
If I wasn't able to go to work due to anxiety, adjustments at work might help, but maybe I still would struggle to serve customers all day.
We would look to MH services to develop coping strategies, distress tolerance, some understanding around their learning styles. Education about emotions and habits to help MH, such as the importance of sleep, diet, staying off SM, exercise, talking therapies etc or DBT for neurodivergent children.
Trouble is, CAHMs are hugely understaffed and you have to be a huge risk to yourself or others to get through the door. There should be MH support specially for EBSA.

soupyspoon · 16/02/2025 18:45

TemporaryPosition · 16/02/2025 18:44

Can I ask a daft question? What is a "hefty dose" of Calpol? Sounds very dangerous for young livers. Surely you just give a dose? Is it common to take half a recommended dose?

Blimey its a figure of speech!!!

HeyDrake · 16/02/2025 18:44

@StrivingForSleep parents can also do that work. If parents are letting your five year old watch YouTube before demanding they turn it off and get ready for school or letting your 15 stay up all night gaming and wondering why they aren't waking up at 8 and feeling motivated, that's not helpful. Parents can't expect school and MH services do all the work.

TemporaryPosition · 16/02/2025 18:44

DeffoNeedANameChange · 16/02/2025 17:37

I think he's maybe right, but not in the way he thinks.

I don't WFH (I'm a teacher!) and I only get 3 "family days" a year. Very often I'm having to send my kids into school when they're not really well enough. I give them a hefty dose of calpol as we leave the house, and I hope that lasts til lunchtime, and that they manage to hang on for the afternoon as well.

I'm talking 5+ times for two of my kids already this academic year. And still I've had a letter that one of mine's attendance has dropped below 96.5% or whatever the threshold is these days. My third child hasn't had a day off in over two years - he just doesn't get ill!

Basically, I think expectations of how often primary aged kids in particular might be unwell are unreasonable, especially now Covid is here to stay. I've been more unwell in the past 4 years than ever before in my life, never mind the kids.

Also, most young kids should enjoy being in school with their friends. If they're starting to refuse school, then this needs to be investigated sensitively and thoroughly. Primary aged kids don't stay home because they can't be arsed. And teenagers can stay home whether their parents WFH or not.

Can I ask a daft question? What is a "hefty dose" of Calpol? Sounds very dangerous for young livers. Surely you just give a dose? Is it common to take half a recommended dose?

StrivingForSleep · 16/02/2025 18:40

@HeyDrake EHCPs can cover lots of what you list, e.g like therapies, developing coping strategies, emotional literacy and emotional regulation, education around diet and exercise, etc. Those with EHCPs aren’t limited to what CAMHS can/will offer. If those with EHCPs need MH support, and many do, the provision should be included in their EHCP.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 18:40

QuizzlyBears · 16/02/2025 18:05

YABU to suggest people who don’t work from home are ‘dripping with resentment.’ In my experience there are many people who use working from home as an excuse to be lazy in their work and to not pay for childcare - not everyone, but a lot. I’m not resentful; I’m frustrated!

Doesn’t sound resentful at all Hmm

Not everyone is resentful but many people are. And the few piss takers don’t represent everyone who WFH - much like office piss takers don’t represent all office workers

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Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 18:31

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 17:31

Really? You’re easily amused! There wasn’t another thread BTW the other thread was about something different this bloke said.

It was alongside fact that you’d started the thread about an article you hadn’t read

and then combined with that comment made me smile

ThePartingOfTheWays · 16/02/2025 18:31

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 16/02/2025 18:02

Thank you for replying to clarify, My honest opinion, however, is that we can’t keep blaming Covid for this. Most of those in primary school now would have been very small five years ago and many were not even at school during lockdown.

Yeah, we can. Because that's what happened. Primary school children's attendance is primarily dictated by the parents, and parents not only remember but continue to absorb existing and ongoing cultural attitudes.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 18:28

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 16/02/2025 18:02

Thank you for replying to clarify, My honest opinion, however, is that we can’t keep blaming Covid for this. Most of those in primary school now would have been very small five years ago and many were not even at school during lockdown.

I don’t think we can blame it for kids under what 8, but for older kids and teens it had a huge impact - which it was always going to do, but the support to address this was never put in place.

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 18:27

ThePartingOfTheWays · 16/02/2025 17:56

The bit about the social contract from before covid having gone is completely right. The levels of parental alienation are much higher too.

And general politeness. People are ruder since lockdown IME.

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picnicinthemeadow · 16/02/2025 18:27

That comment about children’s clothing is unnecessary.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 18:26

PigglyWigglyOhYeah · 16/02/2025 17:53

In my experience there are a great number of different reasons for absence. Anecdotally, I have experienced parents (mostly non-working, rather than WFH, and particularly abrasive sorts)telling their kids they don’t need to bother to go to school. The social contract that existed between parents and schools was broken by lockdowns and then when we subsequently went on strike because of poor pay and conditions. A certain sort of parent decided this meant they didn’t have to send their kid in because apparently teachers can’t be bothered to go in.

Personally, I think it’s time this lot got over it - Covid was 5 years ago, your kids need to be educated and also to learn the self-discipline of getting up, getting ready and being somewhere on time.

I agree. I too get bored of the argument that it’s ok to take a child to Euro Disney for 2 weeks in June because some teachers went on strikes a few years ago. Just say “It’s because we want to and want it cheap”.

One of my favourite times of year is September when you’re guaranteed a flurry of Daily Mail Sad Face article where someone’s child has been given a uniform violation because as it turns out they have to wear trousers, not ultra tight leggings, and the teachers don’t especially want to see a female pupil’s arse cheeks. Can we put these annoying parents in the “get over it” category too?

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picnicinthemeadow · 16/02/2025 18:25

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 18:23

Well my kids know me and DH both WFH - DH has done for about 15 years now - and never assume it means they can stay off too. They chance it now and again when they obviously CBA going in but I think every child does.

You’re talking specifically about your children, which is understandable, but this doesn’t mean it applies to every child who has a parent at home.

It is possible to acknowledge there’s been a cultural shift in this respect and consider how best to address it without insisting everyone returns to the office.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 18:23

LuluBlakey1 · 16/02/2025 17:49

It is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint and he is not at all being inflammatory in how he says it.

If children see parents at home all day, that becomes their norm and they want to be part of it. I work at home one day a week - I never talk about it to our DC, I am up, showered and dressed at 7am as usual and getting them out to school DS2 asks me almost every week at breakfast 'Mummy can I stay at home with you today?' The answer is 'No, you go to school every day and I will be very busy working all day.' He never makes a fuss and goes off quite happily but it's clearly in his head.

Secondary school children in particular are vulnerable to this because they get to the point where they know they can just say no and often get their own way. . Many, many parents just give in- it's not worth the fight to them if their 14 year old is lying in bed all morning or making cups of tea and quietly watching tv. They are parents who give in over lots of things and this is one of them.

Well my kids know me and DH both WFH - DH has done for about 15 years now - and never assume it means they can stay off too. They chance it now and again when they obviously CBA going in but I think every child does.

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Moveoverdarlin · 16/02/2025 18:21

Moltenpink · 16/02/2025 14:40

Well, I am more lenient on letting my kids stay home sick, since I’ve been able to wfh and not lose a day’s pay. They’ve been off with a stomach ache and heavy cold this year, previously it might have been a dose of calpol & see how they get on in school

Exactly this. It’s far easier to manage sickness when WFH. Years ago in our office it used to go down like a turd in a swimming pool when a parent had a phone call and then had to dash off and collect the child. Then they were at home doing bugger all whilst looking after said sick child as no one was equipped to WFH. Now parents wouldn’t even mention to their colleagues they had a child off sick and at home.

There must be a load of parents that think, oh fuck it, I’ll keep them off today as I’m WFH and can’t be arsed to do the school run. Loads. Not everyone is conscientious and thinks I don’t want to be distracted. Never done it myself but bet loads do. Especially last days of terms. So this man probably does have a point.

picnicinthemeadow · 16/02/2025 18:15

2010Aussie · 16/02/2025 16:19

Couldn't agree more - schools are completely OBSESSED with attendance records.
A while back, I was in a pharmacy waiting for a prescription. There was a young child there with his mother. He was ill. His face was grey and he had a very bad cough. The mother was in tears on the phone to the school trying to explain the situation. I took the phone from her, explained that I had paramedic qualifications and said that the child was ill and needed to be home in bed. I asked the woman at the school if she wanted a child with a contagious disease to come to school and infect lots of other children who would then be absent from school themselves. She hung up on me.

I can’t believe you did this Shock

Are you all right? Confused

Ponderingwindow · 16/02/2025 18:12

People need child care to wfh. My dd is almost 16. I have WFH her entire life. I would get dressed, drive her to nursery, and then go back to my home office to work.

during the summer we paid for camps.

Sometimeswinning · 16/02/2025 18:11

Moltenpink · 16/02/2025 14:40

Well, I am more lenient on letting my kids stay home sick, since I’ve been able to wfh and not lose a day’s pay. They’ve been off with a stomach ache and heavy cold this year, previously it might have been a dose of calpol & see how they get on in school

I think the same. When I was a sahm my kids stayed home with any little poorlyness! Now I’m not at home and need to be at work it’s exactly like you said. Calpol and do your best.

Funnily working in a school with the kids and poor attendance, their parents don’t work or are at home.

Coolasfeck · 16/02/2025 18:11

Schools are starting to becoming too controlling and intrusive. They are emailing and texting about something every day. Dealing with the admin of being a parent of a primary aged child is like having another job.

School never used to be like this where they overreach into non problematic families lives. Now you have inspectors suggesting WFH is wrong because it’s easier for a parent to keep their sick child home. They need to stay out of grown adults business.

If my child is genuinely sick they are staying at home. I’m not explaining myself to anyone.

placemats · 16/02/2025 18:10

I occasionally work in schools as an exam invigilator and obviously I work when times are stressful for pupils, teachers and parents. I've been doing this for 20 years and this year will be my last.

Every so often there's a GCSE year that's immature and requires more supervision than others. It's a norm.

This year's intake is slightly more immature than other years, based on the recent mock exams. Teachers are great though and understand completely.

A Level students have always needed extra care because they have so much riding on the exams they do.

QuizzlyBears · 16/02/2025 18:05

YABU to suggest people who don’t work from home are ‘dripping with resentment.’ In my experience there are many people who use working from home as an excuse to be lazy in their work and to not pay for childcare - not everyone, but a lot. I’m not resentful; I’m frustrated!

Seahorseraces · 16/02/2025 18:03

I think parents WFU is a small part of the picture but more the change in attitudes since lockdown and also the increase in anxiety.

Could anyone who works in a secondary school explain how schools have changed in the past 20-30 years? I can think of quite a few (probably undiagnosed) ND children from when I was at school but they all seemed to attend. How is it so much worse for them now?

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 16/02/2025 18:02

JustMyView13 · 16/02/2025 17:26

I wasn’t teacher bashing, I was providing an insight into the general consensus. You’re welcome to ignore it, and only see your viewpoint. But (as a teacher) you’ll never get to the bottom of the mindset if you don’t firstly see the other side.

For what it’s worth I don’t think this way at all, I think teachers should’ve been prioritised for vaccines and I fully support the argument that schools should have fresh air filtration systems.

But as a teacher, you surely can see that these things have helped harvest a mindset that attendance is optional / not important.

Thank you for replying to clarify, My honest opinion, however, is that we can’t keep blaming Covid for this. Most of those in primary school now would have been very small five years ago and many were not even at school during lockdown.

SENDqueries · 16/02/2025 17:58

I work from home and my kids hate being home when I'm working because it's boring. I know from other parents their children feel similarly.