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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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whippy1981 · 16/02/2025 15:54

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:10

I do think the pandemic changed things. Nobody asked for children to be off school for six months and then on and off for another year, it was forced on us all and we had to middle through as best we could. Except for a few kids, they all got a substandard education during lockdown.

But schools, Ofsted and leaders expected children, some very small, to snap back to the mindset, attitude and priorities they had 18 months earlier. And then act all confused when not every child just slipped back into normal schooling.

Nope schools didn't expect that on return. They put measures in place to support kids return.

They expect after 5 years that excuses aren't like arseholes.

mumofoneAlonebutokay · 16/02/2025 15:54

Yanbu, people are jealous creatures 😄

Bromptotoo · 16/02/2025 15:54

I've read the article in The Times.

When you get into it there are actually multiple reasons why children might be absent with health, including Mental Health, getting mentions.

I wonder whether The Times, not noted for it's advocacy of WfH, has headlined that aspect for clicks.

When my kids were at school I'd have left for the commuter train to London before they were up. Until they were into Primary they'd have eaten before I got home.

I'm now 100% WFH and although my working day is slightly longer I'd have a lot more time with them if they were still at school. I could take them in and still be at my virtual desk by 09:00.

MumTeacherofMany · 16/02/2025 15:52

@JandamiHash totally agree he should have backed it up with statics (which he easily could where I work for example)

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:52

blueshoes · 16/02/2025 15:19

Agreed.

Baseless speculation from a so-called senior figure extrapolating from anecdote in a totally unevidenced way.

Unbecoming and woefully uneducated stance from a senior figure in Ofsted.

It follows from how the box-ticking Osted extrapolates a school's performance from arbitrary pieces of evidence whilst wilfully turning a blind eye to the full picture.

I have no experience of a school Ofsted inspection but thought the MN thread the other day about how abrasive inspectors are was really insightful.

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:51

BitOutOfPractice · 16/02/2025 15:18

There must be three threads a day on mn full of WFH-ers frantically telling us how much more productive they are at home 🤔

I genuinely am. But it’s because nobody is asking me if I’ve seen Love Island, or if I can help them with their computer, or because 15 people are trying to make a cup of tea in the kitchen with the world’s smallest kettle. Of course people with fewer distractions are gonna be more productive

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:49

MumTeacherofMany · 16/02/2025 15:15

Children with lower attendance tend to have parents who wfh or do not work. I would say he was stating facts OP.

Then you’d think actual statistics would be readily available to back up this assumption, but they’re not.

One provable correlation between persistent absence and parenting is low income households. That IS a fact so you think this guy would take the opportunity to say the government needs to be doing something to support those families. Rather than have a dig at a random group he happens to not be part of

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 16/02/2025 15:49

It is a thing with slightly older children - they know Mum or Dad's at home, so say they're ill and need to go home, or will refuse in the morning and the parent needs to be online in ten minutes, so will leave them to watch tv as long as they're quiet.

It can be difficult for the parents because they can't say no, I'm in the office (combined with a kid crying down the phone at them - damn good reason to ban mobiles in school, that) or saying they've been sick with no proof.

jellyfishperiwinkle · 16/02/2025 15:48

For anyone dealing with school refusal, even when you work from home it is 5000x more easier if they just went to school! Rather than constantly trying to get them out of bed and ready and wondering whether you can make that meeting if they are able to go in at break or lunchtime. Parents certainly are not keeping them at home because it's easier for them!

Winlan81 · 16/02/2025 15:47

Ofsted either needs to be disbanded or completely overhauled, its honestly not fit for purpose.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:43

Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 15:11

He's basically saying..
"When I were a lad, me dad got up half an hour before he went to bed. He made us lick road clean before putting our cardboard shoes on"

This was back in the 70s and 80s as the man is 52.

Reacting to the national absence stat going up without looking into why, is dim.

Saying people just want to stay at home and not put their shoes on, labels parents as lazy.
It could be that the awareness of viruses is higher now and parents worry more about long term exposure to chest infections and the like. It could be that they don't want their I'll child to spread it to their classmates.. classes are a lot bigger now than they were, its not just 1 kid infecting 20.. it's 1 kid infecting 30 or more.
It could be that parents have more knowledge of such things these days than back in the 70s
It could be that some kids have mental problems, that they hate school and they hate teachers and would happily murder them... So the parents keep them off hoping to get mental health support, but that never comes due to cuts..

It could be any one of a thousand and 17 reasons..

But no.. old man blames it on things not being how it used to be...

Yes exactly that about the implication that WFH parents are lazy. He’s implying WFH parents have the time and inclination to care for children rather than work. I think he’s confusing WFH parents to parents who don’t work.

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ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 15:43

blueshoes · 16/02/2025 14:54

No. Most people don't.

You realise you are just shouting into the wind if you are asking people repeatedly to read the full article.

If that's the case why did the OP start a thread on an article she isn't going to read, then expect people to break down its contents for her?

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 16/02/2025 15:42

Moltenpink · 16/02/2025 14:40

Well, I am more lenient on letting my kids stay home sick, since I’ve been able to wfh and not lose a day’s pay. They’ve been off with a stomach ache and heavy cold this year, previously it might have been a dose of calpol & see how they get on in school

I was just thinking that. No longer have a school aged child, but when I did they were more likely to get a day off sick on my non-working day than if I had a meeting, so I guess it would have been the same if WFH. OTOH I would have been aware when DS considered attendance at 6th form to be optional and I only found out at parents meeting.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:41

Budgiegirlbob · 16/02/2025 15:10

Whether or not the comments are odd (and I don’t particularly think they are), I really can’t see why you’d call them resentful

Really? He’s annoyed MPs - many of whom have families themselves - want to get home for the weekend on time and makes a strange barb about slippers. I WFH and don’t put slippers on ever

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BustopherPonsonbyJones · 16/02/2025 15:40

JustMyView13 · 16/02/2025 15:03

It’s probably got more to do with schools closing over Covid, kids being abandoned in a lot of cases (from an education standpoint), schools closing on strike days.

Marketing the importance of attending school is somewhat undermined when the schools themselves seemingly close ‘when it suits’.

All of which was completely needed to keep teachers (who were not considered to be priority for vaccines) safe from a Covid in the same way that other working people were kept safe (often WFH) of course! It is important to keep stating that teachers didn’t get a lot of ‘consideration’, unlike most of the population.

So basically ‘when it suits’ = to keep teachers safe (even if this wasn’t as long as most people were sitting at home) OR to gain fairer pay and conditions.

Don’t bash teachers for this. We aren’t responsible for every problem in society.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:37

noctilucentcloud · 16/02/2025 15:04

The number of pupils not attending 10% or more of sessions (ie missing at least one day per fortnight) has approximately doubled since covid (~10 % before 2020, ~ 20% in 2024). So there is obviously something going on, and quite possibly related to covid and things associated with that (eg working/studying from home, lockdown, mental health, increased medical waiting lists etc). I suspect there's more than one issue at play, but I think work from home /hybrid working is a big change and it's reasonable to hypothesise that might be a cause. He's also not saying it'll be an issue from everyone who works from home, or even a majority, but for some it may be. But 20 % missing more than 10 % is a lot and as a society we should be aiming to reduce this. Understanding why is often the first step.

I personally think that we underestimate how much lockdown traumatised children. Many of us said it on MN at the time, and I’m not surprised it took so long for kids to get back in the swing of things or that some still haven’t even got there. But isn’t the obvious educated guess “lockdown fucked things” rather than “more parents WFH so that must be the problem”

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BoysRule · 16/02/2025 15:37

This article has made me very angry as it's incredibly misleading. There is no evidence of a link between wfh and school absence, just that they are happening at the same time.

It is entirely his opinion and he cannot possibly understand the many complex reasons behind school absence. The fact that The Times has put it on the front page means this will get more weight as an opinion than it deserves.

The reason for increased absence is school's inability to provide the correct environment for a growing number of children with needs. Schools are putting in all possible adaptations but we cannot change the environment - class sizes, corridors, sensory overwhelm - our outdated schools are not suitable environments for many children.

But that would involve investment and an overhaul of the education system so it's easier to blame wfh.

Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 15:37

SwanOfThoseThings · 16/02/2025 15:19

I don't know what happens now but 30 years ago Ofsted inspectors worked from home when not actually on an inspection, long before Wfh was common. We had one in the family (long since retired).

They still do IME.

Pattern is usually, prep and phone call with school leaders, Monday, from home, inspect Tuesday & Wednesday in school, write report at home and submit to OFSTED Friday.

SardineJam · 16/02/2025 15:36

I have WFH for many years, and my two kids have really great attendance records. I couldn't have them at home with me as it would impact on my productivity

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:36

Just to quote

**Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

Official figures show a fifth of primary school children are now persistently absent, missing at least one day a fortnight
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He said: “In lockdown we said to children, ‘Stay at home to be educated, go online’. Then we said, ‘Come in for your education, don’t go online, don’t go on your phone’. You can understand that was quite confusing for children going through their formative years. Nurseries, schools, colleges have worked really hard to get over that and we are seeing great successes but there’s more than can be done.”
**

TY78910 · 16/02/2025 15:36

I read the guardian article on this earlier. While I agree that attendance is bad and the data around days etc and a culture shift, I don't believe parents would want their kids around while WFH 😂 if anything, they would find them distracting.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:34

WorkCleanRepeat · 16/02/2025 15:02

I agree.

I went back to the office full time 12 months ago and have definitely sent my kids to school this year on days I'd have kept them home when I was wfh.

I’d find it so stressful having to look after a sick child when working. Then again our rule is you have to be dead or have a limb falling off to stay off 🤣 my DS’s absence rate is entirely down to being sent home from school (every instance of which he’s been fine)

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blueshoes · 16/02/2025 15:34

Crinkle77 · 16/02/2025 15:32

His argument is nonsense.

Agree 💯

Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 15:33

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:17

Ah I didn’t realise there was another thread, I did try and check!

My point was his deflection by creating interest around well trodden views ( cut teachers’ holidays, raise links with WFH) - not that there is another thread.

There isn't another thread about this, the other thread is about Sir Martyn suggesting that teachers need to teach for more than 190 days out of 365. Again, deflecting away from increasing criticism of OFSTED given the consultation on the proposed framework.

Perhaps you work for MO and OFSTED media @JandamiHash 😂. Promoting MO’s batshit deflections?

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:32

MoltenLasagne · 16/02/2025 15:02

The only evidence that the full article has is the stats on current absences which have increased significantly since Covid, and that working from home has also increased in correlation. It has absolutely no evidence that there is any causation apart from supposition.

Personally I think it's far more likely that long term impact of lockdowns are continuing to be seen in the absent rates, rather than it being significantly linked to where a parent works.

Bingo.

Unless there is hard data around parents who now WFH whose children have newly decreased attendance rates, it’s just a stab in the dark.

When actually there is data around the causes of children who are persistently absent. Except that data doesn’t really get to blame parents so perhaps hasn’t suited Martin’s new found role of Controversial Statement Maker

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