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To think the Ofsted inspector who blames WFH parents for low attendance is probably just resentful?

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:28

The Chief Inspector of Ofsted is blaming parents who WFH for the demise of school attendance https://www.itv.com/news/2025-02-16/parents-working-from-home-makes-children-feel-school-is-optional-ofsted-head?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0ULgukQnTsabNTlcJRBI4kVQsMYkhCPK_KA4lUAgVkxOocYfo3onmRNHU_aem_nuBknA_QEGgfA93CaTPagg. Apparently none of us want to take our slippers off so we let our kids stay at home while we work.

He makes some REALLY weird points like his overworked dad he didn’t see much as his inspiration to go to school. And also MPs making sure they spend weekends with their families is a bad work ethic.

I know MN is a good example of whenever WFH threads are brought up, non-WFHers come on dripping with resentment over WFH and implying WFHers don’t really work. AIBU to think this man - who has somehow been knighted - is basically doing that? I’m not sure how much inspecting he does now, but Ofsted inspectors aren’t any superior or harder working just because they spend a few days working away from home at a time (something BTW I’m expected to do, at least 1 overnight a month).

Also as someone from a household where 2 of us WFH, I can’t think of anything worse than having kids flapping around us while we try and work. I’m FT, and this week I’m off Weds-Fri, as is DH. my DD11 will be at home tomorrow with strict instructions to keep away unless there’s a serious emergency (she’s secondary and old enough to take care of herself) and at a friend’s on Tuesday. My DS is 8 and is going into a holiday club tomorrow and Tuesday as his neediness is unbearable. Both have somewhere between 97 and 99% attendance so far this academic year.

YABU - “He’s got a point”
YANBU - “He’s wrong/resentful”

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1MuffinSocks · 16/02/2025 16:14

I haven't RTFT or the article but why single out WFH parents? Parents are at home as SAHP, not working at all for many reasons or home in the day because they work shifts for example. Why single out WFH parents from all the other parents who are at home?

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:14

Washinghanginginthesun · 16/02/2025 16:10

YABVVU to start a thread about an article you haven’t even read and write about it in such disparaging tones.

I wrote it about the ITV article which is the same as the Times article minus the stuff about the new report card. It’s very well known outlets copy and paste text from other outlets, it was never going to be any different.

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Peaceandquietandacuppa · 16/02/2025 16:14

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 14:33

Read the article
it is very measured and sensible
and you distort it with your title

The issue is not WFH though! There is an issue but he’s got it totally skewed. Why does he see his dad going off to work hours before he woke up as a positive when we don’t have to do that anymore? I WFH and can’t think of anything worse than having my kids hanging about while I’m trying to juggle work, meetings and catering to their needs. I love the fact that I get to take them to school at 8.30 and then start work 15 mins later.

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 16:14

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:55

Yes I’ve read it. He’s wrong about WFH being the problem with low attendance.

And I’m not sure I know enough to nail my colours to the mast but I’m pretty sure I agree with you. An inspectorate is needed from a safeguarding perspective without a doubt but from what I always read Ofsted is problematic and there’s a huge culture problem

He goes on to say other very serious and important factors such as lockdown and mental health

but you’ve somewhat skirted over that

if this was one of my A-level pupils, who referred to an article in an essay that they’d only actually read an abstract of, I’d have been pretty disappointed. Scrap that.., if it was a year 10 I’d have been disappointed and marked them down 😆

Zone2NorthLondon · 16/02/2025 16:14

You started a thread being disparaging about an article that you have not actually read.
Interesting approach.
1/10 try harder

ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 16:14

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:57

I have read said article 😆 and i stand by my OP 😆 because it’s basically the same article without the information about new rating system 😆

You hadn't read it when you started the thread and were asking people to break the contents down for you.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:13

Oblomov25 · 16/02/2025 16:08

Odd. There's not enough info to know if his assumptions are true or not. Do we know for sure that the kids off are now with wfh parents?

Do school know that info? How do school know if and when Dh and I occasionally wfh?

Well they don’t do they which is why his statement was odd and mealy mouthed

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Ankhmo · 16/02/2025 16:12

Some people wanted OP to back up their position with facts and figures more than they wanted the man in the article to back up his opinion with facts and figures..

Go figure..

🤣

Washinghanginginthesun · 16/02/2025 16:10

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 14:39

No because it’s behind a paywall

Does it have statistics to support this viewpoint?

Having googled the Times seem to have an exclusive relationship with this man whereby he goes to them making quite controversial statements. Interesting PR move

YABVVU to start a thread about an article you haven’t even read and write about it in such disparaging tones.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:08

whippy1981 · 16/02/2025 15:54

Nope schools didn't expect that on return. They put measures in place to support kids return.

They expect after 5 years that excuses aren't like arseholes.

Schools still expected high attendance rates from the moment lockdown was over.

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Oblomov25 · 16/02/2025 16:08

Odd. There's not enough info to know if his assumptions are true or not. Do we know for sure that the kids off are now with wfh parents?

Do school know that info? How do school know if and when Dh and I occasionally wfh?

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:05

ilovesooty · 16/02/2025 15:43

If that's the case why did the OP start a thread on an article she isn't going to read, then expect people to break down its contents for her?

I didn’t start a thread based on an article I didn’t read, at all. It was based on the ITV article which is the same as the Times article minus the stuff about the new system.

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Matronic6 · 16/02/2025 16:04

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:36

Just to quote

**Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

Official figures show a fifth of primary school children are now persistently absent, missing at least one day a fortnight
GETTY IMAGES
He said: “In lockdown we said to children, ‘Stay at home to be educated, go online’. Then we said, ‘Come in for your education, don’t go online, don’t go on your phone’. You can understand that was quite confusing for children going through their formative years. Nurseries, schools, colleges have worked really hard to get over that and we are seeing great successes but there’s more than can be done.”
**

I can't believe you give OP such a hard time! Her initial point was entirely fair. He has not used any statistical data, it's literally just his thoughts.

And typical for Ofsted, they have not based their conclusions on reality. As someone who actually works in a school and responsible for monitoring attendance I haven't noticed any link between WFH parents and child absence. I also don't know why he is blaming lack of school nurse. I have worked in schools for 15 years and not one has ever had a nurse. The article is a perfect example of how out of touch Ofsted are.

placemats · 16/02/2025 16:04

MPs leave on a Thursday night because they have constituency days on a Friday which are incredibly busy and require a lot of forward planning.

I agree with you @JandamiHash and YANBU.

My ex worked from home (before the pandemic and still does) and it didn't impact on our children's attendance. However he did have times when he was away and if I was working then, albeit on a sporadic basis, getting the kids out to school on time for me to get to work was stressful for us all.

How bizarre to say that if your parents are in their slippers that your children won't go to school.

IdaGlossop · 16/02/2025 16:04

AsFunAsEnglishWeather · 16/02/2025 15:05

This. It's perfectly possible to work from home and still be strict on valuing education and making sure your children go in to school each day.

I agree, and fear the chief inspector may have a point. However, I feel uncomfortable about the breadth of Ofsted's remit (and about Ofsted more generally). There's something judgemental and intrusive about Ofsted choosing to pronounce on this. The implication is that parents, yet again, are to blame. In some cases, they are of course. And not all of them will be working from home, especially with older pupils. There's worklessness and parents choosing to be at home to be considered too. In others, different issues will be at play - a school environment that pupils find intimidating, problems within friendship groups, bullying, poor and descending attainment. These are alluded to but as reported it still feels like finger-pointing.

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:03

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:36

Just to quote

**Oliver said several other factors were also affecting attendance, including poor mental health, such as anxiety and depression,and a lack of funding for services such as school nurses and child psychologists, as well as difficulties luring children away from their screens.

Official figures show a fifth of primary school children are now persistently absent, missing at least one day a fortnight
GETTY IMAGES
He said: “In lockdown we said to children, ‘Stay at home to be educated, go online’. Then we said, ‘Come in for your education, don’t go online, don’t go on your phone’. You can understand that was quite confusing for children going through their formative years. Nurseries, schools, colleges have worked really hard to get over that and we are seeing great successes but there’s more than can be done.”
**

This doesn’t change what he’s said about WFH parents or how ridiculous his statement is. At least in THIS statement he’s using facts. Shame he doesn’t mention the fact so many low income families are persistently absent

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 16:01

Fae2222 · 16/02/2025 15:33

My point was his deflection by creating interest around well trodden views ( cut teachers’ holidays, raise links with WFH) - not that there is another thread.

There isn't another thread about this, the other thread is about Sir Martyn suggesting that teachers need to teach for more than 190 days out of 365. Again, deflecting away from increasing criticism of OFSTED given the consultation on the proposed framework.

Perhaps you work for MO and OFSTED media @JandamiHash 😂. Promoting MO’s batshit deflections?

Ah I see - I’ll check out the other thread

No I don’t work for Ofsted and if I did it would be a mad move to slag my boss off on the internet 🤣

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privatenonamegiven · 16/02/2025 16:00

This is another attempt to move the focus from the state of Ofsted, the crisis in teacher recruitment and retention, the state of many of our school buildings and poorly funded system that is impacting many of our children at school.

While I agree absenteeism is a problem - there are far bigger ones like not having enough teachers in the first place.

trivialMorning · 16/02/2025 16:00

Across all state secondary schools in England, persistent absence rose from 13 per cent in 2018-19 to 24 per cent in 2022-23.

We all know there an issue just not what the cause is.

I think blaming wfh - isn't it. Though suspect sick or possibly sick kids may stay home more than in past when went in sick or sub par.

I think it's partly covid- and breaking norm of going into school but for a variety of reasons many schools are harder places to be for many more pupils than in past.

Boohoo76 · 16/02/2025 15:59

Both DH and I WFH. I go into the office one day per week and DH’s office is our house as he’s self employed. Our two DC have 100% and 99% attendance. The last thing I want when I am WFH is the kids there all day and we have a spacious house with a study each for DH and I. Would be worse if we had a smaller house.

My brother is a teacher and our ability to WFH drives him insane. I’ve told him that he needs to get another job if it bothers him so much. Wouldn’t be suprised if this OFSTED inspector is just lashing out because he wants to be able to WFH too.

AllTheChaos · 16/02/2025 15:58

I read the article, and some of it was, I am afraid, absolutely bat shit. Apparently wfh with children during lockdowns discouraged people from getting their children back into school. As someone who had to wfh whilst attempting to home ed a young child, I can confirm that it was absolutely horrendous, and I couldn’t wait for her to be back in school!

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:57

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:25

Over and out
should have done that when I realised the op was the type to get frothing at the mouth on the basis of an abstract and actually start a thread about it WItHOUT reading said article 😆

I have read said article 😆 and i stand by my OP 😆 because it’s basically the same article without the information about new rating system 😆

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Theunamedcat · 16/02/2025 15:56

Some schools act like we can't tell what chickenpox looks like? Ds had low attendance due to illness then he caught chickenpox from the school literally EVERY CHILD who went to that valentines disco came down with chickenpox over 3/4 of the school year were out at various points with chickenpox they sent the attendance officer around because they thought I was mistaken I was not mistaken he had chickenpox a bad case and nearly ended up in hospital they then said I should have returned him sooner I directed them to his Dr who was unimpressed listed his credentials his training and experience and said ds should be home to recover

JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:56

Dogthespot · 16/02/2025 15:23

Are we reading the same article?!

ok so given it’s your thread, how about you tell us what about the article pissed you off now that you’ve seen the cut and paste job was within a broader context where he identities other serious contributing factors including serious mental health challenges endured by some of our children, and links his comment around the change in work patterns with stats

Correlation is not causation - and all he’s linked it with is post pandemic rates, not rates of children with parents WFH.

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JandamiHash · 16/02/2025 15:55

cardibach · 16/02/2025 15:22

You said above that you had read it. You haven’t then?
I think pretty much everything said by a representative of OFSTED will be bollocks and the whole organisation should be dismantled forthwith, but have you or haven’t you read it all? And what exactly is he wrong about here?

Yes I’ve read it. He’s wrong about WFH being the problem with low attendance.

And I’m not sure I know enough to nail my colours to the mast but I’m pretty sure I agree with you. An inspectorate is needed from a safeguarding perspective without a doubt but from what I always read Ofsted is problematic and there’s a huge culture problem

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