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Lou972 · 2025-02-15T23:56:52+00:00

I attended an adult first aid course. The instructor made these remarks when discussing the defib. 1. Cut off a womens bra as it might have metal. If you're like me though, I've been told I'm useless at removing womens bras and they tell me 'get away from me' 1. Find the correct spot for the defib pads (then showed us where to put them) then said 'if a womans breasts are low then move them out the way' 1. Do not touch the persons bum when putting them into recovery position, this is sexual harassment 1. Shave a mans chest if it is hairy before using the defib, or it might be needed for a womans chest if you come from where I live Some of the learners where age 17 as well so not adults

Delphiniumandlupins · 16/02/2025 02:33

If you are completing an evaluation of the training you could mention the outdated humour attempts, simply so they can improve

TheWhoBird · 16/02/2025 02:30

I mean, that's one way to make these tedious training courses more exciting.

AubernFable · 16/02/2025 02:04

ValentinesGranny · 16/02/2025 02:02

Karen is more offensive than anything the instructor said.

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I put it in quotation marks for a reason, it’s not a word I would use as an insult towards another person.

Happyinarcon · 16/02/2025 02:03

Some people were brought up talking this way. I’ve been around men and women whose speech was a bit too direct for my liking but at the same time I don’t want to live in a world where people are too nervous to speak or make jokes or too self conscious of class differences. Part of living in a diverse society is accepting that you will be around people with have slightly different norms. I’m not saying to ignore blatant instances of inappropriate language but I do think we should prepared to cut people some slack.

ValentinesGranny · 16/02/2025 02:02

AubernFable · 16/02/2025 00:18

His whole attitude is very outdated and inappropriate imo. Not to sound like a ‘Karan’ or whatever but I’d complain/report depending on who provided the training, it could make some people feel uncomfortable and is generally not acceptable. Especially if theres young people in the class.

Karen is more offensive than anything the instructor said.

AubernFable · 16/02/2025 02:00

healthybychristmas · 16/02/2025 01:03

There is no such thing as a Karen. There are misogynistic people though and there are women who don't take any shit. Sometimes the two of them meet and that's when the word gets used.

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I agree with you, not a word I would use to describe anyone myself but ‘I want to speak to your manager’ is the stereotype and thats what I was saying.

GiraffesAtThePark · 16/02/2025 01:59

Just someone trying to be humorous. A bit outdated humour but I really wouldn’t report this.

JoyousGreyOrca · 16/02/2025 01:54

Sounds like the kind of first aid courses I attended in the eighties. I thought this had died out, obviously not.

MissMoan · 16/02/2025 01:47

I suspect this was his attempt at humour, although I don't think it warrants getting worked up over.

Maxorias · 16/02/2025 01:41

BishBashBoomer · 16/02/2025 01:15

They do pack a razor in the defib box generally. If not, you can use one of the spare pads as a waxing strip.

That's clever ! Wouldn't have thought of it in an emergency but now I will, thanks.

CarCrashLifes · 16/02/2025 01:18

Not something to get worked up about

StormingNorman · 16/02/2025 01:17

Someone fancies themselves as a 1970s style comedian. I couldn’t get worked up about it though.

Wherehavetheyallgone · 16/02/2025 01:16

AubernFable · 16/02/2025 00:18

His whole attitude is very outdated and inappropriate imo. Not to sound like a ‘Karan’ or whatever but I’d complain/report depending on who provided the training, it could make some people feel uncomfortable and is generally not acceptable. Especially if theres young people in the class.

Tiresome@AubernFable....very tiresome.

GreenCandleWax · 16/02/2025 01:15

Very inappropriate and unprofessional. I would be having a word with the course provider.

BishBashBoomer · 16/02/2025 01:15

They do pack a razor in the defib box generally. If not, you can use one of the spare pads as a waxing strip.

StormingNorman · 16/02/2025 01:14

Maxorias · 16/02/2025 01:11

I appreciate that but, for instance, we have a defibrillator at work. If a hairy-chested man needed it, by the time we'd found a razor he'd be dead. If it's that important they should pack a razor and shaving cream with the machine !

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You really should suggest that to your H&S person at work.

Maxorias · 16/02/2025 01:12

We learn new things everyday, well if anything happens I'll check the defib box for a razor. Don't remember seeing one but never looked closely before.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 16/02/2025 01:11

We were told to say very loudly when cutting the clothes what we were doing and why so nobody could be mistaken. I imagine the remarks were poor humour especially the hairy chest one, but I guess it is possible someone at some point may have commented on the bra removal although I would assume a bystander not the patient

Maxorias · 16/02/2025 01:11

KrisAkabusi · 16/02/2025 01:08

The pads won't stick if there's too much hair, so you have to shave or the machine won't work. 30 seconds to clear a patch could save a life!

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I appreciate that but, for instance, we have a defibrillator at work. If a hairy-chested man needed it, by the time we'd found a razor he'd be dead. If it's that important they should pack a razor and shaving cream with the machine !

KrisAkabusi · 16/02/2025 01:09

And we keep razors in the defib bag in case they are needed.

KrisAkabusi · 16/02/2025 01:08

Maxorias · 16/02/2025 01:06

I am slightly baffled that anyone would have the necessary equipment and/or the time to shave someone's chest before they die, if they're in cardiac arrest !

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The pads won't stick if there's too much hair, so you have to shave or the machine won't work. 30 seconds to clear a patch could save a life!

Maxorias · 16/02/2025 01:06

KrisAkabusi · 16/02/2025 01:03

2 and 3 are both correct, there's nothing wrong with that. 1 and 4 are just slightly badly aimed humour.

I am slightly baffled that anyone would have the necessary equipment and/or the time to shave someone's chest before they die, if they're in cardiac arrest !

healthybychristmas · 16/02/2025 01:03

AubernFable · 16/02/2025 00:18

His whole attitude is very outdated and inappropriate imo. Not to sound like a ‘Karan’ or whatever but I’d complain/report depending on who provided the training, it could make some people feel uncomfortable and is generally not acceptable. Especially if theres young people in the class.

There is no such thing as a Karen. There are misogynistic people though and there are women who don't take any shit. Sometimes the two of them meet and that's when the word gets used.

KrisAkabusi · 16/02/2025 01:03

2 and 3 are both correct, there's nothing wrong with that. 1 and 4 are just slightly badly aimed humour.

Maverickess · 16/02/2025 00:36

1 & 4 unnecessary really but would make me roll my eyes rather than anything.
2 - well yes, you might need to.
3 - hmmm, seems a clumsy way to point out that you do need to be aware where you're touching someone and if it's necessary to touch there because although it might be perfectly innocent, it can be perceived as differently by other people.

Overall I don't think it's anything other than someone trying to get a laugh but missing the mark.