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School is asking children to say ‘peace be upon him’ anytime Mohammed is mentioned

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Kitkat189 · 15/02/2025 16:55

My child’s teacher asks the class to always say ‘peace be upon him’ if the prophet Muhammed is mentioned in RE, for example. Used in a sentence it would be something like ‘Muhammad peace be upon him is the founder of Islam’

The teacher explained that this is to show respect to the Muslims in the class.

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this. Is there an expectation that non Muslims use this expression? Or is it more of a courtesy? I am guessing the latter?

And if it’s the former, should people be compelled to utter this phrase out of respect? To literally wish peace upon a prophet of a religion they don’t belong to? I realise this is not a problem for the majority of people but out of interest, would a devout follower of another religion have objections to this?

(This is year 6, teacher is not Muslim, there is one Muslim in the class whose family are pretty secular, he told the teacher he doesn’t use this expression himself.)

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Rainingalldayonmyhead · 15/02/2025 17:29

Moier · 15/02/2025 17:12

It's not on.. it's dystopian..
Reminds me of The Handmaids Tale.. when they have to say. .. Blessed be the Fruit etc.

May the Lord open 😂

OwlInTheOak · 15/02/2025 17:28

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 15/02/2025 17:22

If they do the Lords prayer or any thanksgiving and say Amen, should that not be allowed either?

”Amen” also shouldn’t be compulsory IMO

Fully agree. It achieves the opposite result forcing it. I went to a primary school which enforced it so I would mouth it to avoid saying it and it built a real dislike for Christianity to the point I ended up in trouble for pointing out logic in secondary school RE lessons.
Pushing something rather than education will easily turn people from learning about it to resenting it.

MellowCritic · 15/02/2025 17:28

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 15/02/2025 17:21

I don’t see the issue, would it be such a problem for you if it was a different religion 🙄

Exactly.. if op were saying the same about a Jewish prophet this thread would be shut down as anti semitic.

Chunkychips23 · 15/02/2025 17:27

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 17:15

Do you expect them to make the sign of the cross when Catholicism is being taught?

They probably do. We were taught how to do that at primary school in the 90’s. In addition to paying respects to other religions.

My in-laws are Catholic and when I attend religious events with them, when prompted, I will make the sign of the cross. Literally seconds of my life to be respectful to someone else’s beliefs.

Manxexile · 15/02/2025 17:25

"Actually, I think this kind of thing - albeit well-intentioned - can foster the very kind of division and anti-muslim prejudice it tries to avoid..."

This ^ except I don't even see it as well-intentioned, it's empty headed

OwlInTheOak · 15/02/2025 17:25

Not right. Its OK to teach that some Muslims say that, but it should be known that many also don't to ensure they don't offend someone.
Absolutely not OK to force it. Equivalent to the rubbish of forcing children to say grace before lunch which thankfully isn't common any more. No religion should be forced on people.

Matilda761 · 15/02/2025 17:25

Absolutely not. This needs to be squashed straight away. You cannot compel people to say something to make others feel good.

PointsSouth · 15/02/2025 17:25

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 15/02/2025 17:21

I don’t see the issue, would it be such a problem for you if it was a different religion 🙄

I bloody well hope so.

MellowCritic · 15/02/2025 17:24

HermioneWeasley · 15/02/2025 16:56

Absolutely not. This is completely inappropriate.

It's not inappropriate don't be so ridiculous. It's just a respectful way to speak and we should all be respectful when speaking about any person in religion or any person in general. Is it over the top, yes it probably is. I think rather then start a thread i would just ask the teacher why out of all the things we should be teaching kids this is on her list. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 15/02/2025 17:22

If they do the Lords prayer or any thanksgiving and say Amen, should that not be allowed either?

”Amen” also shouldn’t be compulsory IMO

Charlize43 · 15/02/2025 17:21

I suppose 'Mo' is out of the question then?...

I do tend to use 'Jeez' occasionately, but had one work colleague who is Christian jumped down my throat, and go all outrage and blasphemy on me, despite my lying and saying that I'd said, 'Cheese... I was just thinking that I need to buy some Camembert.' She didn't believe me and complained.

Fundamentally, you can't please all of the denominations all of the time, although I've found Jains to be pretty laid back...

Winterwonders24 · 15/02/2025 17:21

Kitkat189 · 15/02/2025 16:55

My child’s teacher asks the class to always say ‘peace be upon him’ if the prophet Muhammed is mentioned in RE, for example. Used in a sentence it would be something like ‘Muhammad peace be upon him is the founder of Islam’

The teacher explained that this is to show respect to the Muslims in the class.

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this. Is there an expectation that non Muslims use this expression? Or is it more of a courtesy? I am guessing the latter?

And if it’s the former, should people be compelled to utter this phrase out of respect? To literally wish peace upon a prophet of a religion they don’t belong to? I realise this is not a problem for the majority of people but out of interest, would a devout follower of another religion have objections to this?

(This is year 6, teacher is not Muslim, there is one Muslim in the class whose family are pretty secular, he told the teacher he doesn’t use this expression himself.)

Complaint to head, governors if not dealt with,and id pull child from RE until it stops as don't trust the teachers judgement

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 15/02/2025 17:21

I don’t see the issue, would it be such a problem for you if it was a different religion 🙄

verycloakanddaggers · 15/02/2025 17:21

Is this true though?

If it is, it is one misguided teacher, so just report.

But this does sound very unlikely.

GivingUpFinally · 15/02/2025 17:21

Chunkychips23 · 15/02/2025 17:05

Sounds like the teacher is teaching kids to be respectful and aware of other religions. Maybe he/she is just trying to create better cohesion and awareness of Islam rather than the fear mongering and outright hatred the religion gets.

It’s neither inappropriate nor complaint worthy.

I’m secular, but brought up in a Christian household. This wouldn’t even register for me if my children were being taught this.

This. Why is it a problem?

If they do the Lords prayer or any thanksgiving and say Amen, should that not be allowed either?

It's teaching a full understanding of the respect that Islam teaches.

It is after all the second largest religion in the world, with nearly 2 billion people practising this faith.

Learning about all religions and faiths will mean more acceptance rather than base tolerance.

Chuchoter · 15/02/2025 17:20

After complaining to the school and the board of Governors and this was not stopped immediately, I would have removed my child from the school.

Georgyporky · 15/02/2025 17:19

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mugglewump · 15/02/2025 17:19

During my teacher training, and in any 'off the shelf' schemes, teachers are instructed to say PBUH after the prophet's name when teaching Islam in RE. This is just a matter of respect and I think it intregues the kids to use it too. The need to do this applies to 2 or 3 lessons in the whole school year and I don't see why the students shouldn't do this too. You would tell children to capitalise God, Christmas and Easter in their writing, so why not ask them to write (pbuh) after the prophet Mohammed?

Zebedee999 · 15/02/2025 17:19

Report to OFSTED, it is not appropriate to force the veneration of the founder of such a misogynistic religion.

mitogoshigg · 15/02/2025 17:18

No, just no, it's like making the whole class cross themselves when father,son and holy spiritvis mentioned in Re (I do this because I'm Christian but don't expect others to)

Naunet · 15/02/2025 17:18

Chunkychips23 · 15/02/2025 17:05

Sounds like the teacher is teaching kids to be respectful and aware of other religions. Maybe he/she is just trying to create better cohesion and awareness of Islam rather than the fear mongering and outright hatred the religion gets.

It’s neither inappropriate nor complaint worthy.

I’m secular, but brought up in a Christian household. This wouldn’t even register for me if my children were being taught this.

Would it register for you if after an atheist says "no gods exist", to show respect, everyone has to chant "there are no gods"?

I'm not a fan of compelled speech personally.

Kuckingfnobden · 15/02/2025 17:17

Fuck that

SerendipityJane · 15/02/2025 17:16

The Qur'an (2:256) sets out a general rule on the absence of compulsion in religion: 'let there be no compulsion in religion'

would be a good starting point.

buscuit91 · 15/02/2025 17:16

Yes we say this but I wouldn't expect a school in England to adopt this :/
We are Muslims and
My child goes to a catholic school and she joins in with the hymns and church visits and everything that goes with being a catholic, I would not never expect anything like this.

Is the school majority muslim?

Nanny0gg · 15/02/2025 17:15

Chunkychips23 · 15/02/2025 17:05

Sounds like the teacher is teaching kids to be respectful and aware of other religions. Maybe he/she is just trying to create better cohesion and awareness of Islam rather than the fear mongering and outright hatred the religion gets.

It’s neither inappropriate nor complaint worthy.

I’m secular, but brought up in a Christian household. This wouldn’t even register for me if my children were being taught this.

Do you expect them to make the sign of the cross when Catholicism is being taught?