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School is asking children to say ‘peace be upon him’ anytime Mohammed is mentioned

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Kitkat189 · 15/02/2025 16:55

My child’s teacher asks the class to always say ‘peace be upon him’ if the prophet Muhammed is mentioned in RE, for example. Used in a sentence it would be something like ‘Muhammad peace be upon him is the founder of Islam’

The teacher explained that this is to show respect to the Muslims in the class.

This is the first time I’ve ever heard of this. Is there an expectation that non Muslims use this expression? Or is it more of a courtesy? I am guessing the latter?

And if it’s the former, should people be compelled to utter this phrase out of respect? To literally wish peace upon a prophet of a religion they don’t belong to? I realise this is not a problem for the majority of people but out of interest, would a devout follower of another religion have objections to this?

(This is year 6, teacher is not Muslim, there is one Muslim in the class whose family are pretty secular, he told the teacher he doesn’t use this expression himself.)

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Chunkychips23 · 15/02/2025 18:03

Winterwonders24 · 15/02/2025 17:56

Or mindless pantomime when done by someone who doesn't believe, that when done by a believer is important to they're expression of beliefs

Just because I don’t believe in something, doesn’t mean that I shouldn’t grant something with respect when in the presence of those who do.

As mentioned in a previous post, I was brought up in a very religious household. My Dad is a Reverend - we were brought up to respect everyone else’s religious beliefs, regardless of whether we believe it or not.

It’s something that is not a big deal to someone not religious, but shows respect and tolerance to those that do. Especially as the latter appears to be lacking a lot these days.

BeJollyNewt · 15/02/2025 18:03

mugglewump · 15/02/2025 17:19

During my teacher training, and in any 'off the shelf' schemes, teachers are instructed to say PBUH after the prophet's name when teaching Islam in RE. This is just a matter of respect and I think it intregues the kids to use it too. The need to do this applies to 2 or 3 lessons in the whole school year and I don't see why the students shouldn't do this too. You would tell children to capitalise God, Christmas and Easter in their writing, so why not ask them to write (pbuh) after the prophet Mohammed?

This. my child bring in lot of christianity home , how it is possible without school reinforcing it time to time. I am fine with it.

TheLionandAlbert · 15/02/2025 18:01

Pleasealexa · 15/02/2025 17:42

The equivalent for Christianity/Catholicism would be to make sign of the cross when saying Jesus. I don't think anyone would say this is acceptable for non Christians.

I was raised a catholic. This is not a ‘thing’.

Quercus30 · 15/02/2025 18:00

I imagine this has been taken out of context. Possibly the teacher asked the children to do this as part of the lesson. I've taught lessons about prayer in RE before and the children have all gone through the motions of praying ( Islam) not because I'm indoctining them but because it's active learning. I'm not expecting them to go home and pray or expecting them to pray ever again, it just makes for a more interesting activity than watching a video of a Muslim praying.
The teacher was probably following the lesson plan.

TheLionandAlbert · 15/02/2025 17:59

No. I’d be raising this with the head. Inappropriate and unnecessary.

OldChinaJug · 15/02/2025 17:59

PinkTonic · 15/02/2025 17:45

Why should anyone speak respectfully about someone they don’t believe is worthy of respect? I understand respecting other people’s views and not insulting people, but their views are theirs. No one else who doesn’t share them is compelled to pay lip service.

No one is paying lip service.

I include it on PowerPoints because the Muslim children in my class are as importnat as the non Muslim children and because it's part of the religion and so, when we teach about the Prophet Muhammed, we teach how Muslims refer to him and why.

And because other children do believe and their beliefs are very important to them and their families and we don't set out to intentionally antagonise or upset someone just because we don't share their beliefs.

I've already explained that only the Muslim childen say it so I can't see what the problem is.

And as for speaking respectfully about someone you don't respect, it's not about showing respect to him but to the children who do.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 15/02/2025 17:59

Out of interest could Christian children choose not to say this? Only reason I ask is I know Muslim children are allowed to be kept back from Christian -led assemblies in primary, I just wonder if the same option to opt out would apply here?

Plantatreetoday · 15/02/2025 17:58

Pleasealexa · 15/02/2025 17:42

The equivalent for Christianity/Catholicism would be to make sign of the cross when saying Jesus. I don't think anyone would say this is acceptable for non Christians.

Catholics don’t make the sign of the cross when they mention Jesus

Winterwonders24 · 15/02/2025 17:56

Chunkychips23 · 15/02/2025 17:27

They probably do. We were taught how to do that at primary school in the 90’s. In addition to paying respects to other religions.

My in-laws are Catholic and when I attend religious events with them, when prompted, I will make the sign of the cross. Literally seconds of my life to be respectful to someone else’s beliefs.

Or mindless pantomime when done by someone who doesn't believe, that when done by a believer is important to they're expression of beliefs

Tulipvase · 15/02/2025 17:55

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 15/02/2025 17:51

But it’s not disrespectful to write God unless you’re Jewish, is it?

Oh possibly. Tbh I can’t remember now what the lesson was about, it might have been Judaism. Sorry!

SatsumaDog · 15/02/2025 17:53

Absolutely not! I would be speaking to the head about that. It ridiculous.

VickyEadieofThigh · 15/02/2025 17:53

boulevardofbrokendreamss · 15/02/2025 17:29

Bullshit. It's not even a Muslim phrase.

That's where you're wrong. It IS.

TheWombatleague · 15/02/2025 17:52

Zebedee999 · 15/02/2025 17:19

Report to OFSTED, it is not appropriate to force the veneration of the founder of such a misogynistic religion.

Or any religion, but you're right, Abrahamic religions are all misogynistic.

Sevenamcoffee · 15/02/2025 17:52

How old are kids in year six? I couldn’t get worked up about this really. Bigger things to worry about.

ViolinsPlayGentlyOn · 15/02/2025 17:51

Tulipvase · 15/02/2025 17:48

I work in a secondary school and have been in some P&R lessons and we don’t do this but we do write g-d instead of God out of respect, but the children aren’t told off if they don’t do it. It is just explained why we might do it.

But it’s not disrespectful to write God unless you’re Jewish, is it?

NeverDropYourMooncup · 15/02/2025 17:51

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 15/02/2025 17:04

Sure and in the same class I would expect the teacher to ban “Oh my God”, “Jesus Christ”, “Jesus wept”, “Holy crap” etc. blaspheme.

As in it’s never going to happen so not going to say PBUH either. One rule for all or none at all I’m afraid.

Edited

I've not known a primary that doesn't ban those phrases - other than the first one, they wouldn't be particularly acceptable at secondary, either, albeit they'll also be dealing with teenagers cunting and bloodclarting all over the place, so in the great scheme of things, there are only so many seats in detention.

Upstartled · 15/02/2025 17:49

Completely inappropriate, but who'd be an r.e teacher nowadays? Holy shit, it should come with danger money.

MuddyPawsIndoors · 15/02/2025 17:48

Kitkat189 · 15/02/2025 17:44

Why is it odd? You are assuming that we object? I never said that, I’m just posting this to better understand what other schools are doing. This is my third child in the same school and the others never mentioned this so it’s new to us. That’s all. Like I said in a previous post I checked with a couple of other parents if they knew anything about this and they were all aware, not a single person expressed any objections to this whatsoever

I know that Muslims use this expression but I was not aware that there might be some sort of expectation for the rest of us to do the same. Judging by the responses it doesn’t appear so.

Yes and as I said, I find that very odd.

As I'm quite sure you're aware, it's a controversial topic.

And the fact you've thrown in that there's only one Muslim kid in the class and even they don't say it, just makes it odder 🤷‍♂️

Tulipvase · 15/02/2025 17:48

I work in a secondary school and have been in some P&R lessons and we don’t do this but we do write g-d instead of God out of respect, but the children aren’t told off if they don’t do it. It is just explained why we might do it.

Rightsraptor · 15/02/2025 17:47

This is indoctrination and must be resisted at all costs. I'm assuming your child isn't attending a Muslim school. If my DGD were instructed to say 'Our Lady' instead of 'Mary' for Jesus's mother or refer to him as 'Our Lord', that'd be a big fat 'no', as well.

SerendipityJane · 15/02/2025 17:46

This sort of guff is why people voted Trump and our press has become the Nigel Farage show. I am the worlds most vocal atheist, but notice how I researched that this is crock in Islam to start with. Which suggests the teacher ... well let's be generous and say they haven't understood what they have read. (An ungenerous person would suggest they damn well know it's a crock but knew they would be able to rile the ignorant).

Or been told.

LoudSnoringDog · 15/02/2025 17:46

Big no.

NCfornow256 · 15/02/2025 17:45

More woke nonsense. I'd be complaining to the head, and, depending on their reaction, taking it further as necessary.

PinkTonic · 15/02/2025 17:45

OldChinaJug · 15/02/2025 17:37

I include it (PBUH) on PowerPoint presentations on Islam in RE, explain why it is said, and say it if im reading from the PowerPoint but only the Muslim children say it ordinarily and I don't say it at other times.

Non Muslim children are not required to say it but they must speak about him respectfully as they would speak respectfully about all religious figures.

I checked.

I didn't check because I had a problem with it but we were looking at photocopied examples of Islamic art in one lesson and one of the children told me it was disrespectful to throw the calligraphy away because it contained Allah's name. So I always check.

Edited

Why should anyone speak respectfully about someone they don’t believe is worthy of respect? I understand respecting other people’s views and not insulting people, but their views are theirs. No one else who doesn’t share them is compelled to pay lip service.

Sugargliderwombat · 15/02/2025 17:44

ThejoyofNC · 15/02/2025 16:56

It would be a no from me. I doubt they'll show Christianity the same respect.

Who wouldn't? Muslims? How so?