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Couple held in Iran

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StrawDonkey · 15/02/2025 16:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626p6pz7xlo

AIBU to not understand why anyone would go on a motorcycle trip to Iran? Advice is not to go there at all but I can understand that someone desperate to see family would take a risk.

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MagdaLenor · 16/02/2025 10:38

PurpleChrayn · 16/02/2025 10:34

A lot of Westerners have a very rose-tinted optimistic (deluded) view of how countries like Iran actually are.

I agree.

MagdaLenor · 16/02/2025 10:38

Hazeby · 16/02/2025 10:34

You’re right. It’s probably all about positivity and being your best self and holding space or some other such spectacularly inane drivel.

This.

CeeJay81 · 16/02/2025 10:35

You don't go a country, that's on the don't travel too list and post a load of photos on social media. I don't have Instagram, so no idea what was posted but I'm sure it wasn't hard for the authorities to workout she was r could be on a psychology mission. Which is instant alarm bells to them. The minute they didnt turn up to the hotel, there would have been suspicions about them. I expect anyone from the UK is tracked while there. That's why you are expected to be with a guide. So they did several things that are instant alarm bells to the authorities. Wether you agree with it or not.

PurpleChrayn · 16/02/2025 10:34

A lot of Westerners have a very rose-tinted optimistic (deluded) view of how countries like Iran actually are.

Hazeby · 16/02/2025 10:34

MagdaLenor · 16/02/2025 10:01

I don't think it's that kind of life coaching.....

You’re right. It’s probably all about positivity and being your best self and holding space or some other such spectacularly inane drivel.

AnnaMagnani · 16/02/2025 10:31

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/02/2025 10:28

They were with a tour guide - sighs heavily

Apparently they weren't with the tour guide when arrested.

They presumably felt 'connected' to the tour guide and life long friends.

When it's more likely he reported them 10 minutes after they headed off without him.

Takersgonnatake · 16/02/2025 10:31

Hope it was worth it and no, I won’t be donating to the crowdfunding. Pair of utter eejits

EdithBond · 16/02/2025 10:30

saraclara · 16/02/2025 09:30

It doesn't help that the FO advice is often over cautious though. There are so many cases where it gives an over the top sense of risk, that people start not to take it seriously,

I once read what the FO advice would be about travelling to England, using their same risk assessments. Most people would be put off, especially about going to London, if they took it seriously.

As with any official advice, like medical or health advice, it errs on the side of caution because some people have less common sense or are more at risk. But Foreign Office advice is making you aware of how limited they may be in being able to help you in case of a crisis or emergency. So, it should be taken seriously.

And of course there are risks for tourists to the UK, especially in areas with higher rates of violent crime or dangerous terrain, tides etc.

I’ve often observed British tourists behaving overseas in ways they likely wouldn’t do in certain parts of their own country, such as wandering around with expensive jewellery/equipment on display or swimming in treacherous tides. Same with cultural awareness. Years ago in the Egyptian Museum in Cairo I saw a British tourist wandering around in a bikini top and arse-revealing shorts, which I doubt they’d have done in the British Museum in London.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 16/02/2025 10:30

Chuchoter · 16/02/2025 08:58

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall as they were arrested. Him standing there grinning like an idiot whilst she is prancing around making stupid faces whilst the Iranian forces stand there stoney faced!

Her - 'We love you guys! How about a hug.....'

Iranian - 'We are going to hang you by your ankles and feed you mouldy rice and water until we decide whether to give you a public flogging or a stoning!'

Husband - 'Oh I say chaps! That doesn't sound like much fun!'

Her (Giggling) - 'They're just joshing! Let's all hold hands and have a sing song about how lovely everyone is ..... tra la la la!'

Iranian - ' Stupid infidels! Prepare the electric shock machine....!'

.........

This made me laugh but also suspect you might be scarily accurate!

Wonder how many renditions of kumbaya the poor souls stuck in there with them have been subjected to so far.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/02/2025 10:28

Justalittlehandhold · 16/02/2025 07:52

They weren’t with a tour guide, if it’s so safe why is it recommended not to go? I wonder 🤔

They were with a tour guide - sighs heavily

EasternStandard · 16/02/2025 10:25

Shera12 · 16/02/2025 10:06

It never ceases to amaze me, the situations people manage to get themselves into.

Like it’s quite a spectacular feat for some random middle class couple to find themselves in Iranian prison.

Idk if they were running SM travel stuff I wouldn't be surprised.

But agree mad decision

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 16/02/2025 10:22

fashionqueen0123 · 15/02/2025 19:12

It wouldn’t cover Iran anyway as it’s against gov advice to go there.

Incorrect: 'High Street' travel insurance won't cover Iran/Russia/other countries on the 'naughty list'. But specialist insurance is available (and the premium isn't as bad as you might think)

MagdaLenor · 16/02/2025 10:17

Dandeliontea123 · 16/02/2025 10:13

Utter madness. I wouldn't be surprised if they also 'don't read the news because it's too negative these days'.

Oh, yes, that figures.

Porcuporpoise · 16/02/2025 10:17

@Chuchoter social media is full of Iranian women "gurning at the camera" as you so charmingly put it. The oppression of women (and men) in Iran is very real but Iranian women are not all meek little flowers living in the C16. They are also allowed to uncover their faces and even smile - the major tension with the mortality police is around wearing the hijab, a rule which many women disagree with and often flout.

I don't know why this couple were picked up any more than you do but I seriously doubt a picture of a smiling woman saying how lovely Iran is is anything to do with it. That's good pr for a regime that's trying to encourage tourism (if only for its own nefarious ends).

saraclara · 16/02/2025 10:16

Several posters are missing the point that of course it's fine to be smiling and pulling faces and gurning for the camera, just not in Iran where they want women to be covered and to stare at the ground.

You're mistaken. The head covering is now enforced more, but young Iranian women are very fashionable, and skinny jeans were de rigeur when I was there eight years ago. And no they don't have to stare at the ground. This is not Afghanistan They are smiley, proud and extremely educated and confident.

I have plenty of photos of me smiling with individuals and groups of Iranian women, all beaming for the camera, too.

This woman smiling in photos will have had no bearing at all on their arrest.

Dandeliontea123 · 16/02/2025 10:13

Utter madness. I wouldn't be surprised if they also 'don't read the news because it's too negative these days'.

ImmediateReaction · 16/02/2025 10:10

Chuchoter · 16/02/2025 09:32

@Simonjt

Scroll down to the photo that is captioned 'Hello Iran'. She is gurning which is not a suitable demeanour for a woman in Iran.

Photos of their time in Iran showed them on walking tours of the Tabriz Bazaar, the Tower of Silence.....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14400895/amp/Captive-British-couple-Craig-Lindsay-Foremans-haunting-post-ignoring-advice-travel-Iran.html

"This unexpected turn of events has caused significant concern for our entire family, and we are deeply focused on ensuring their safety and well-being during this trying time. "

They appeared to think they could bike in, share pictures on fb and bike out again. Then talk about it online afterwards. Perhaps it's good they have been detained since other idiots may have followed their lead. It costs lots of money to get people out again. Costs millions for entitled people to be released.

Chuchoter · 16/02/2025 10:07

Several posters are missing the point that of course it's fine to be smiling and pulling faces and gurning for the camera, just not in Iran where they want women to be covered and to stare at the ground.

They will have found her public photos and believe her to be disrespecting Iran and more importantly to them, behaving in a manner that is a bad example to Iranian women.

The oppression is real and if you are seen as flaunting yourself (in their eyes) you will suffer harsh consequences!

Jolly japes do not go down well in Iran where their idea of fun is going to watch a public amputation of a thief.

Shera12 · 16/02/2025 10:06

It never ceases to amaze me, the situations people manage to get themselves into.

Like it’s quite a spectacular feat for some random middle class couple to find themselves in Iranian prison.

MagdaLenor · 16/02/2025 10:01

Hazeby · 16/02/2025 10:01

You’d think a life coach would know that a good bit of life advice is to not travel to countries the Foreign Office tells you not to.

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I don't think it's that kind of life coaching.....

Hazeby · 16/02/2025 10:01

You’d think a life coach would know that a good bit of life advice is to not travel to countries the Foreign Office tells you not to.

EdithBond · 16/02/2025 10:00

IWouldBeATerribleMayor · 16/02/2025 09:48

Honestly a stupid photo they posted with the caption 'Iran is not what you think!'.

Fools.

I am sure we all know wide-eyed naive fools who think because they are good people then everyone will approach them with goodness and kindness in their hearts. And think the rest of us are just cynical. But reading about the wife's apparent aim to collect stories from people and report on them at some conference has sent a chill down my spine. Iran are hyper paranoid about spies and journalists. They are unlikely to think 'Numpties- let's release them with a flea in their ear'. I hope they get out okay but I feel genuine anger that they have put themselves into this position and now have to be rescued.

Comes across as patronising, arrogant and very naive. Almost everywhere you go in the world, ordinary people are kind and hospitable. To suggest it’s some kind of revelation to be shared with the world reveals their own prejudice. But the issue is the authorities.

As for conducting ‘research’ I agree that could easily be construed as spying. If you’re going to ignore Foreign Office advice, as a researcher at least do very thorough research on how to minimise risk before you set off.

AnnaMagnani · 16/02/2025 09:57

Porcuporpoise · 16/02/2025 09:49

OMG How very dare she put an image thats not entirely perfect on line. Who does she think she is?
Nobody's expecting sympathy from you but is that really all you have to add?

It's not one image, it's her whole Instagram.

Unfortunately it cements the idea she is a complete fool.

EdithBond · 16/02/2025 09:49

Porcuporpoise · 16/02/2025 09:45

What I think what some people fail to realise is that, in places like Iran, being "respectful" and following "the rules" is not necessarily enough to avoid trouble. There's a lot of fear and paranoia and politics at play and it's easy to get caught up in it.

Of course. It’s still risky and against foreign office advice to travel there regardless. But posting on social media and not being culturally aware and respectful isn’t going to help matters.

Porcuporpoise · 16/02/2025 09:49

AnnaMagnani · 16/02/2025 09:42

She looks like a 7 year old who has to pull a silly face everytime you take a photo.

OMG How very dare she put an image thats not entirely perfect on line. Who does she think she is?
Nobody's expecting sympathy from you but is that really all you have to add?