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Couple held in Iran

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StrawDonkey · 15/02/2025 16:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626p6pz7xlo

AIBU to not understand why anyone would go on a motorcycle trip to Iran? Advice is not to go there at all but I can understand that someone desperate to see family would take a risk.

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feellikeanalien · 18/02/2025 13:08

RetroTotty · 18/02/2025 12:28

A judiciary spokesperson said that the couple, both aged 52, had "enter Iran under the guise of tourists" and "gathered information in multiple provinces of the country".

From the BBC news website.

Well I suppose technically that's true. They had tourist visas but she was collecting information for a project she was presenting in Australia. Presumably if you enter a country to carry out research, particularly a country like Iran, you need a specific visa for that.

They were naive and foolish and possibly a little arrogant but I would not wish the situation they now find themselves in on anyone.

Cross posted with ImmediateReaction

ImmediateReaction · 18/02/2025 13:04

RetroTotty · 18/02/2025 12:28

A judiciary spokesperson said that the couple, both aged 52, had "enter Iran under the guise of tourists" and "gathered information in multiple provinces of the country".

From the BBC news website.

Well this is true. They entered as tourists and then interviewed people for her research project. They gathered information to share at a seminar with others.

They are intelligent middle aged people who acted in a foolish and stupid way. They ignored advice from the foreign office and friends and family not to travel there and admit that online. They knew best (obviously incorrect).

Of course there are lovely people in Iran, as there are in Russia, North Korea and Gaza but would you go there on jollies and interview people. The government aren't nice, that's what is relevant here. Thinking skills might have made them realise that.

They remind me of what some refer to as 'useful idiots' on the marches for Gaza, the ones that shout 'intifada revolution ' sing along to 'from the river to the sea' or chant encouraging the Houthis to hold back the boats. Similar dippy mindset. All logic flies out the window and unable to use realism and fact. Most fail to understand that Hamas and other terrorists like the Houthis and ISIS etc love these types, even if they might throw them off a building or behead them.

I don't want them to be harmed. Maybe the Iranian authorities will realise they are a bit delusional and release them quickly and send them on.their happy clappy way. Hopefully, no prisoners will need to be released to get these arrogant foolish people back. I feel for their poor families whom they ignored.

Snakebite61 · 18/02/2025 12:59

StrawDonkey · 15/02/2025 16:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626p6pz7xlo

AIBU to not understand why anyone would go on a motorcycle trip to Iran? Advice is not to go there at all but I can understand that someone desperate to see family would take a risk.

Plenty of people go there. It's a beautiful place to go to.
The politics and religion might persuade me not to go though.

BigDahliaFan · 18/02/2025 12:53

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c743jle3vkno

Idiots.

TemporaryPosition · 18/02/2025 12:52

JHound · 15/02/2025 17:19

I know many people who have travelled / travel to Iran and love it (it’s not as depicted by Western media).

I would not go right this instant with the current hostilities in the region but it is definitely on my bucket list

I know Iranians who won't go there

Developedanillness · 18/02/2025 12:50

Just saw the update, god

Penguinmouse · 18/02/2025 12:40

Imagine being so stupid. Foreign Office advice is incredibly clear on this.

saraclara · 18/02/2025 12:38

sashh · 18/02/2025 11:23

I have not been so you obviously know ore than me but I would have thought young Iranian women wearing headscarves that barely cover the crown of their head.

A western woman doing the same I imagine is another matter and will attract attention.

My scarf never covered all of my hair, and as I'm not generally a scarf wearer, I wasn't good at it and a lot of the time it was slipping and similar to the way the fashion conscious girls were theirs. But I had no trouble or disapproval at all. One day it slipped off completely and a passer by just gently tapped my elbow and pointed.

But as I said, the rule has probably been tightened recently.

RetroTotty · 18/02/2025 12:28

A judiciary spokesperson said that the couple, both aged 52, had "enter Iran under the guise of tourists" and "gathered information in multiple provinces of the country".

From the BBC news website.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/02/2025 12:26

Sarah2891 · 18/02/2025 12:15

Weren't they traveling around questioning people etc? I thought that was part of their project. Maybe I'm completely wrong.

No you are correct. They accused Nazanin of doing the same and she was only visiting her parents and so these two left themselves wide open for it. And as I said before I hope they are not hurt or tortured but that's as far as I go.

Pastalina · 18/02/2025 12:20

They are fools. I struggle to feel sorry for them.

Porcuporpoise · 18/02/2025 12:17

Justalittlehandhold · 18/02/2025 11:59

They’ve been charged with espionage according to BBC news.

Well yes, that's the accusation of choice in totalitarian regimes, partly due to paranoia (wrong, photo, spoke to wrong person, anything related to collecting data) and partly because it puts you in danger of long prison sentences and therefore makes you the perfect bargaining chip.
Poor fools.

Sarah2891 · 18/02/2025 12:15

GrannyWeatherwaxsHatpin · 18/02/2025 12:12

That could be as simple as photos held on their phones. We went to a place where we were warned not to take pictures in a particular direction because there was a military site (or similar, I can't remember the details) and it could be seen as spying. We were told that if we did accidentally have photos we'd probably just be told to delete them but that it wasn't worth the risk of being accused of espionage. I suspect travelling without a guide etc has made the authorities suspicious.

Weren't they traveling around questioning people etc? I thought that was part of their project. Maybe I'm completely wrong.

GrannyWeatherwaxsHatpin · 18/02/2025 12:12

Justalittlehandhold · 18/02/2025 11:59

They’ve been charged with espionage according to BBC news.

That could be as simple as photos held on their phones. We went to a place where we were warned not to take pictures in a particular direction because there was a military site (or similar, I can't remember the details) and it could be seen as spying. We were told that if we did accidentally have photos we'd probably just be told to delete them but that it wasn't worth the risk of being accused of espionage. I suspect travelling without a guide etc has made the authorities suspicious.

marshmallowmix · 18/02/2025 12:11

I had Sky news on and they said security related charges...when were they arrested was it a few weeks ago?

I'd love to visit Iran but I'd be too scared to step foot in the country...l've a friend from Tehran but she doesn't go and visit her family as it is very very risky.

ImmediateReaction · 18/02/2025 12:07

Justalittlehandhold · 18/02/2025 11:59

They’ve been charged with espionage according to BBC news.

I have just seen this too.

Not surprised, it's as expected for Iran. They now have a pair of bargaining chips.

Justalittlehandhold · 18/02/2025 11:59

They’ve been charged with espionage according to BBC news.

marshmallowmix · 18/02/2025 11:38

They may have put locals in danger as they’ve posted their pics when they interviewed them…utterly stupid and time deaf…

sashh · 18/02/2025 11:23

saraclara · 16/02/2025 10:16

Several posters are missing the point that of course it's fine to be smiling and pulling faces and gurning for the camera, just not in Iran where they want women to be covered and to stare at the ground.

You're mistaken. The head covering is now enforced more, but young Iranian women are very fashionable, and skinny jeans were de rigeur when I was there eight years ago. And no they don't have to stare at the ground. This is not Afghanistan They are smiley, proud and extremely educated and confident.

I have plenty of photos of me smiling with individuals and groups of Iranian women, all beaming for the camera, too.

This woman smiling in photos will have had no bearing at all on their arrest.

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I have not been so you obviously know ore than me but I would have thought young Iranian women wearing headscarves that barely cover the crown of their head.

A western woman doing the same I imagine is another matter and will attract attention.

DoloresODonovan · 18/02/2025 10:04

@Justalittlehandhold yes! rash, ill advised adventuring risking the safety of others

Justalittlehandhold · 18/02/2025 09:55

DoloresODonovan · 18/02/2025 09:41

or pig-headed, even - Iran is such a vast expanse of land -
why sojourn in Tehran of all places

off they went suffused with missionary zeal
in a midlife crisis which ruled out common sense

if friends family everyone else believed this to be a foolhardy escapade
why were they (go) funding it?

who knows now whether the hapless Iranians interviewed by this arrogant
couple will be safe,
as this foolhardy couple were not only a danger to themselves but others

they are Spanish residents now are they not. ?

I hadn’t even considered that aspect, that the Iranian’s interviewed could also suffer!

it gets worse!

ImmediateReaction · 18/02/2025 09:49

DoloresODonovan · 18/02/2025 09:41

or pig-headed, even - Iran is such a vast expanse of land -
why sojourn in Tehran of all places

off they went suffused with missionary zeal
in a midlife crisis which ruled out common sense

if friends family everyone else believed this to be a foolhardy escapade
why were they (go) funding it?

who knows now whether the hapless Iranians interviewed by this arrogant
couple will be safe,
as this foolhardy couple were not only a danger to themselves but others

they are Spanish residents now are they not. ?

"who knows now whether the hapless Iranians interviewed by this arrogant
couple will be safe,
as this foolhardy couple were not only a danger to themselves but others"

That was my concern, it's easy to see who chatted to them since they share pictures on social media. I hope the people in Iran are ok. The Iranian authorities might assume they have shared information, so they could end up arrested with no consular battling for them.

DoloresODonovan · 18/02/2025 09:41

SALaw · 18/02/2025 07:51

The woman's brother's mother in law tweeted about it. She expressed real concern for the couple but she still agreed with the many comments saying they shouldn't have gone and said the family warned them and also couldn't believe they did it anyway. She used the word "naive" but didn't argue with people using the word "stupid".

or pig-headed, even - Iran is such a vast expanse of land -
why sojourn in Tehran of all places

off they went suffused with missionary zeal
in a midlife crisis which ruled out common sense

if friends family everyone else believed this to be a foolhardy escapade
why were they (go) funding it?

who knows now whether the hapless Iranians interviewed by this arrogant
couple will be safe,
as this foolhardy couple were not only a danger to themselves but others

they are Spanish residents now are they not. ?

SassK · 18/02/2025 09:10

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/02/2025 09:06

@SassK I imagine she was planning a life affirming, emotional piece to camera on leaving Iran. Hasn't quite gone to plan, eh!

Oh I don't know, that might be quite impactful in ten years time or so when she's released from prison!

Well yes - every cloud! 🙈

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 18/02/2025 09:06

@SassK I imagine she was planning a life affirming, emotional piece to camera on leaving Iran. Hasn't quite gone to plan, eh!

Oh I don't know, that might be quite impactful in ten years time or so when she's released from prison!