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Couple held in Iran

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StrawDonkey · 15/02/2025 16:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c626p6pz7xlo

AIBU to not understand why anyone would go on a motorcycle trip to Iran? Advice is not to go there at all but I can understand that someone desperate to see family would take a risk.

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fashionqueen0123 · 18/02/2025 15:54

dottydodah · 18/02/2025 14:00

I think they have been unwise .Surely though they dont deserve this barrage of"well they are idiots .I have no sympathy" comments ? They misjudged the political climate thats all.Hopefully they will be released at some point, and it may deter others who are thinking of something similar.

They should have been deterred by what happened to Nazanin and many others. Plus the FCO advice. Clearly they weren’t up for listening so I’m not sure others like them would be either.

Porcuporpoise · 18/02/2025 15:48

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 18/02/2025 15:21

That's interesting. Why are dual Iranian citizens more of a target than foreigners?

As regards this couple, I find the tone of this thread quite mean spirited. Iran is breath takingly beautiful and it's people are warm and friendly. I am dying to go myself, would love some authentic Iranian food. I am very sorry for this couple, as I completely understand the genuine open-heartedness that led them to it.

I saw a video of a woman who travelled to Afghanistan! She was treated very well, welcomed, shown hospitality and nothing happened. It was an experience of a life time. Some people are drawn to the parts of the world less travelled. I think this couple were just very unlucky to be marked out on this occasion. I hope they are released soon.

Did she now? Well I'm glad she had a lovely time playing poster girl for the most repressive regime on the planet. 😒

I wonder whether her time would have been quite so lovely if she'd asked a few questions like "why are girls and women barred from education and work?"

Butchyrestingface · 18/02/2025 15:47

They must be the Mr and Mrs Bean of espionage.

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Arraminta · 18/02/2025 15:43

Well at least they'll get to fully immerse themselves in an authentic Iranian prison experience.

Which is nice.

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itsgettingweird · 18/02/2025 15:36

I think this couple were just very unlucky to be marked out on this occasion.

They weren't "unlucky". They went. They posted on SM what they were doing and their intention to share it at a conference in Australia.

If they'd have gone and entered quietly and left quietly without announcing it on the World Wide Web they would have more chance of doing un noticed.

Arraminta · 18/02/2025 15:33

ChanelBoucle · 15/02/2025 19:13

I did the biggest eye roll earlier when listening to the radio. Especially her social media post ‘we know it’s dangerous but we can’t wait to meet all the amazing people here’ or whatever virtue signalling claptrap it was. Ffs.

Oh dear God. This is exactly the type of smug, self absorbed, twattish attitude that would make me run for the hills rather than interact with them. I expect your average Iranian would feel exactly the same?

Developedanillness · 18/02/2025 15:32

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 18/02/2025 15:21

That's interesting. Why are dual Iranian citizens more of a target than foreigners?

As regards this couple, I find the tone of this thread quite mean spirited. Iran is breath takingly beautiful and it's people are warm and friendly. I am dying to go myself, would love some authentic Iranian food. I am very sorry for this couple, as I completely understand the genuine open-heartedness that led them to it.

I saw a video of a woman who travelled to Afghanistan! She was treated very well, welcomed, shown hospitality and nothing happened. It was an experience of a life time. Some people are drawn to the parts of the world less travelled. I think this couple were just very unlucky to be marked out on this occasion. I hope they are released soon.

Experience of a lifetime?? You can say that again.....

saraclara · 18/02/2025 15:27

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 18/02/2025 15:21

That's interesting. Why are dual Iranian citizens more of a target than foreigners?

As regards this couple, I find the tone of this thread quite mean spirited. Iran is breath takingly beautiful and it's people are warm and friendly. I am dying to go myself, would love some authentic Iranian food. I am very sorry for this couple, as I completely understand the genuine open-heartedness that led them to it.

I saw a video of a woman who travelled to Afghanistan! She was treated very well, welcomed, shown hospitality and nothing happened. It was an experience of a life time. Some people are drawn to the parts of the world less travelled. I think this couple were just very unlucky to be marked out on this occasion. I hope they are released soon.

That's interesting. Why are dual Iranian citizens more of a target than foreigners?

Dual nationality is precisely what makes individuals such as Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe bargaining chips in the Iranian State’s geopolitical calculations.[10] Iran’s policies reveal continued suspicion of the allegiances and loyalties of dual nationals and concomitant security fears of espionage, terrorism, and treason.[11] The Iranian State's approach to its nationals, under the new articulation of nationalism established after the 1979 Revolution, is defined in direct opposition to ‘the West’[12] and thus considers dual Iranian-‘Western’ nationality the ultimate form of betrayal, as far as dual nationalities are concerned

https://www.dohainstitute.org/en/PoliticalStudies/Pages/the-dis-benefits-and-dis-advantages-of-dual-nationality-for-iranian-dual-citizens.aspx

GreenApplesRedApplesYellowApples · 18/02/2025 15:21

Porcuporpoise · 18/02/2025 13:08

Iranians, especially those with duel nationality, are particular targets for arrest. Far more so than foreign nationals.

That's interesting. Why are dual Iranian citizens more of a target than foreigners?

As regards this couple, I find the tone of this thread quite mean spirited. Iran is breath takingly beautiful and it's people are warm and friendly. I am dying to go myself, would love some authentic Iranian food. I am very sorry for this couple, as I completely understand the genuine open-heartedness that led them to it.

I saw a video of a woman who travelled to Afghanistan! She was treated very well, welcomed, shown hospitality and nothing happened. It was an experience of a life time. Some people are drawn to the parts of the world less travelled. I think this couple were just very unlucky to be marked out on this occasion. I hope they are released soon.

ThePoshUns · 18/02/2025 14:57

I don't wish them any harm but still maintain that I have no sympathy for them at all. They were advised not to go, this is all on them.

Justalittlehandhold · 18/02/2025 14:54

dottydodah · 18/02/2025 14:00

I think they have been unwise .Surely though they dont deserve this barrage of"well they are idiots .I have no sympathy" comments ? They misjudged the political climate thats all.Hopefully they will be released at some point, and it may deter others who are thinking of something similar.

Misjudged!

Perhaps they should’ve been deterred from the previous people this happened too? No, they ignored that, the FCO recommendation and family and friends, because they’re pig headed idiots!

fashionqueen0123 · 18/02/2025 14:49

So now we wait and see what they want in return. It took a very long time for Nazanins bribe money to become clear. I think it was months or more. At first it was all this spying rubbish. Maybe they don't even know yet what they'll ask for.

butterfly0404 · 18/02/2025 14:41

No sympathy from me, the advice not to travel was pretty clear and substantial. Arrogant fuckwits.

itsgettingweird · 18/02/2025 14:32

dottydodah · 18/02/2025 14:00

I think they have been unwise .Surely though they dont deserve this barrage of"well they are idiots .I have no sympathy" comments ? They misjudged the political climate thats all.Hopefully they will be released at some point, and it may deter others who are thinking of something similar.

They didn't "misjudge the political climate"

They went against FCO advice not to travel due to the political climate.

That's like going to the Carribean in hurricane season and being surprised you get stranded due to a hurricane.

maggiecate · 18/02/2025 14:31

The Iranian people are famously hospitable - it’s a cultural thing, they take pride in welcoming travellers. The BBCs John Simpson has written about it, and there’s lots of others who’ve visited there no problem. However there’s a long history of mistrust of Britain that predates the current regime due to our his of intervention in the area. Travelling there on a British passport would definitely get you side-eyed in certain quarters even when relations are good. They basically think that Britain is behind any setbacks that befall them so if you have an alternative passport to travel on you should.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations

itsgettingweird · 18/02/2025 14:29

RetroTotty · 18/02/2025 12:28

A judiciary spokesperson said that the couple, both aged 52, had "enter Iran under the guise of tourists" and "gathered information in multiple provinces of the country".

From the BBC news website.

As much as we and Iran know that the espionage charges are bollocks.

What they've accused them of - they almost did exactly that. Except we know they were tourists but she was on a research grant collecting material for her conference in Australia.

They literally gave Oran the arrest warrant by what they've posted on SM 🤦‍♀️

saraclara · 18/02/2025 14:18

Porcuporpoise · 18/02/2025 13:08

Iranians, especially those with duel nationality, are particular targets for arrest. Far more so than foreign nationals.

Exactly. Dual nationality Iranians have been at the highest risk for some time.

Developedanillness · 18/02/2025 14:18

dottydodah · 18/02/2025 14:00

I think they have been unwise .Surely though they dont deserve this barrage of"well they are idiots .I have no sympathy" comments ? They misjudged the political climate thats all.Hopefully they will be released at some point, and it may deter others who are thinking of something similar.

Misjudged?! You'd have thought NZR's 5 years incarceration would have been enough to put most remotely intelligent people completely and utterly off a trip to Iran....

Porcuporpoise · 18/02/2025 14:11

Travelling against foreign office advice is doing slightly more than "misjudging the political climate" @dottydodah There's unwise and then there's willful ignorance.

dottydodah · 18/02/2025 14:00

I think they have been unwise .Surely though they dont deserve this barrage of"well they are idiots .I have no sympathy" comments ? They misjudged the political climate thats all.Hopefully they will be released at some point, and it may deter others who are thinking of something similar.

EsmaCannonball · 18/02/2025 13:45

Visas, guides and following the rules are a side issue here. The point is, if it wants to, the Iranian regime will imprison British citizens and then find a reason for it.

meisafairy · 18/02/2025 13:33

ImmediateReaction · 18/02/2025 13:04

Well this is true. They entered as tourists and then interviewed people for her research project. They gathered information to share at a seminar with others.

They are intelligent middle aged people who acted in a foolish and stupid way. They ignored advice from the foreign office and friends and family not to travel there and admit that online. They knew best (obviously incorrect).

Of course there are lovely people in Iran, as there are in Russia, North Korea and Gaza but would you go there on jollies and interview people. The government aren't nice, that's what is relevant here. Thinking skills might have made them realise that.

They remind me of what some refer to as 'useful idiots' on the marches for Gaza, the ones that shout 'intifada revolution ' sing along to 'from the river to the sea' or chant encouraging the Houthis to hold back the boats. Similar dippy mindset. All logic flies out the window and unable to use realism and fact. Most fail to understand that Hamas and other terrorists like the Houthis and ISIS etc love these types, even if they might throw them off a building or behead them.

I don't want them to be harmed. Maybe the Iranian authorities will realise they are a bit delusional and release them quickly and send them on.their happy clappy way. Hopefully, no prisoners will need to be released to get these arrogant foolish people back. I feel for their poor families whom they ignored.

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Are you actually saying people that March in the support of the people of Gaza are “useful idiots” and of a dippy mindset?

TemporaryPosition · 18/02/2025 13:16

Why take such an avoidable risk

Porcuporpoise · 18/02/2025 13:08

TemporaryPosition · 18/02/2025 12:52

I know Iranians who won't go there

Iranians, especially those with duel nationality, are particular targets for arrest. Far more so than foreign nationals.

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