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To retrain as a teacher at (just turned) 50?

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MyPearlCrow · 14/02/2025 08:47

Just that really. I was a solicitor/partner in a law firm for my first career but burned out /got bored and cynical, so gave it up. luckily we can afford for me not to work which I realise is such a privilege.

I volunteer in a primary school now several days a week and essentially do an unpaid TA role. Here, TAs here are essentially teachers without all the planning/prep/responsibility, as in they actively teach the curriculum to small groups of children. They are highly skilled.

I have considered being a TA. I have been offered a paid role at my current school. But I’m still considering my options and it’s desperately badly paid. And all the TAs here are technically over qualified (all degree educated, or ex teachers, but don’t want the ridiculous workload of a teacher; entry requirement for TA role in England is just passes in gcse English maths and science) but they are paid peanuts. But it’s such a rewarding role and I love it. I think I could really add value.

Complete honesty here: I also realise that I’m used to running the show, in my old job. I suspect that in time I would want to make my own decisions on how to deal with my class, rather than carry out someone else’s instructions. I can already see ways I would want change up the teaching/approach for some children who are struggling. I am acutely aware that teachers just don’t have time to individualise the curriculum for 30 kids though, so I’m aware I might be looking at this from the 6-8 kids I currently take responsibility for in lessons and the ability to do this with a whole class might be much more limited.

i really love being with kids, I value education, I’m a good ‘teacher’ - as in I love to explain things simply and differently to children (or in my old role, to adults too).

Teachers - am I mad? I know too well how hard the job is these days. The primary curriculum here is crazy complicated. The breadth of ability and need is jaw dropping. But I truly believe in state education being a passport to a better life and would love to be part of that.

or do I just take the TA role, qualify up as much as I can in TA courses and accept I’ll be minimum wage forever but trying to make a difference?

important point: I have kids, so want to work part time. And train part time too. I know there are options for this but it will be competitive (I have top grades academically which I think might help). If I do a part time pgce, could I do my first year as a newly qualified teacher part time or is that not an option?

I don’t underestimate what a massive, difficult, demanding and at times (currently) desperately frustrating role teaching is. Am I too old for such a huge challenge? I’d love some wisdom from teachers and ex teachers please.

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Liguria · 15/02/2025 20:14

MyPearlCrow · 15/02/2025 16:00

But they are teaching it from day 1 PQE. How can you teach it from day 1 if no one has taught you about it?

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gatheryerosebuds · 15/02/2025 20:11

Have you considered teaching Law?

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 15/02/2025 20:05

Teaching is like doing three full time jobs.

  1. Teaching the children
  2. Planning, prepping, marking
  3. All the other stuff - displays, after school clubs, break duties, class assemblies, training in your own time…

It’s relentless! I left after 6 years (plus 3 in training) and the thought of working in a school again makes me really anxious even now I’ve been out for 3 years. It nearly broke me and I had two periods of sick leave for depression and anxiety. My first was triggered by suicidal thoughts entirely related to my job.

My DD says she wants to be a teacher and I will do everything in my power to persuade her otherwise.

TicklishMintDuck · 15/02/2025 19:50

BellaCiaoBellaCiao · 14/02/2025 09:11

Don’t do it.
There is a WORLD of difference between being a TA and being the class teacher.
Behaviour is APPALLING.
Pressure is INTENSE.
Expectations are LAUGHABLE.

I’ve just retired and I don’t know how I stuck it out for so long.
SERIOUSLY. Don’t do it.

This. I’m 43 and this is my 21st year in teaching. I’m looking at other options where I could have a better work-life balance without a huge pay drop. It’s a very mentally and emotionally draining job.

1AngelicFruitCake · 15/02/2025 19:44

BishyBarnyBee · 14/02/2025 10:29

Do you think having a strong, mature voice from the inside would help stave off some of those expectations or is that cloud cuckoo land?
OK, this is exactly what I thought and sorry, it is cloud cuckoo land! Each school is a little kingdom where the Head and SLT rule. An NQT is at the bottom of the pecking order and your ideas and opinions count for nothing. It takes years for you to begin to build up that authority again.

My past experience opened lots of doors later in my teaching career because i had strategic skills which many teachers wouldn't have. I ended up with a wonderful role and was very respected in my MAT. But it took a long time for that to unfold. The first few years were pretty miserable, feeling I was failing and had made a terrible mistake. I'm glad I hung on in there, but most of the mature entrants I trained with quit in the first couple of years.

Completely agree with this.

Also you'll have to manage TAs who may be more experienced than you and will let you know that!

1AngelicFruitCake · 15/02/2025 19:33

Also you wanting to go to your child's event won't be their concern unless your school is understanding but even then you can't always attend things. If you do attend an event you'll owe school in some way e.g. when I go to an assembly I then have used most of my ppa (planning) time so got even more work to do at night.

1AngelicFruitCake · 15/02/2025 19:26

Firstly you are right of course you can think of ideas for 6/8 children. As a teacher you have to consider 30, making sure each one makes progress, focus on getting those lower ones to improve. You have to manage behaviour, manage parents (they are hard work), trial new schemes. You'll have a whole school coordinator role eventually.

Be careful. Lots of TAs are amazing and I've met a few who think it'd be no big deal being a teacher but it takes up so much time. I love but I'm exhausted!

BCBird · 15/02/2025 19:26

No. I've been teaching since 1995 and am leaving early at 55. The workload is not sustainable. Behaviour is getting worse as there are lots more kids with often undiagnosed MH issues. If u can teach your classes it not too bad, but i often find lessons are derailed by one or two individuals. Senior management are often in denial about issues and vome out with BS policies instead of dealing with the real isdues. It's a shame because I likevteaching. I'm.just do tired of it all. My plan is to be a TA and if this is not for me find a part time admin job

Flipflop223 · 15/02/2025 19:15

MyPearlCrow · 14/02/2025 08:47

Just that really. I was a solicitor/partner in a law firm for my first career but burned out /got bored and cynical, so gave it up. luckily we can afford for me not to work which I realise is such a privilege.

I volunteer in a primary school now several days a week and essentially do an unpaid TA role. Here, TAs here are essentially teachers without all the planning/prep/responsibility, as in they actively teach the curriculum to small groups of children. They are highly skilled.

I have considered being a TA. I have been offered a paid role at my current school. But I’m still considering my options and it’s desperately badly paid. And all the TAs here are technically over qualified (all degree educated, or ex teachers, but don’t want the ridiculous workload of a teacher; entry requirement for TA role in England is just passes in gcse English maths and science) but they are paid peanuts. But it’s such a rewarding role and I love it. I think I could really add value.

Complete honesty here: I also realise that I’m used to running the show, in my old job. I suspect that in time I would want to make my own decisions on how to deal with my class, rather than carry out someone else’s instructions. I can already see ways I would want change up the teaching/approach for some children who are struggling. I am acutely aware that teachers just don’t have time to individualise the curriculum for 30 kids though, so I’m aware I might be looking at this from the 6-8 kids I currently take responsibility for in lessons and the ability to do this with a whole class might be much more limited.

i really love being with kids, I value education, I’m a good ‘teacher’ - as in I love to explain things simply and differently to children (or in my old role, to adults too).

Teachers - am I mad? I know too well how hard the job is these days. The primary curriculum here is crazy complicated. The breadth of ability and need is jaw dropping. But I truly believe in state education being a passport to a better life and would love to be part of that.

or do I just take the TA role, qualify up as much as I can in TA courses and accept I’ll be minimum wage forever but trying to make a difference?

important point: I have kids, so want to work part time. And train part time too. I know there are options for this but it will be competitive (I have top grades academically which I think might help). If I do a part time pgce, could I do my first year as a newly qualified teacher part time or is that not an option?

I don’t underestimate what a massive, difficult, demanding and at times (currently) desperately frustrating role teaching is. Am I too old for such a huge challenge? I’d love some wisdom from teachers and ex teachers please.

Totally possible - have you read about Lucy Kellaway from the FT?

I’d stay clear of the state schools and do private

Sheppers · 15/02/2025 19:12

It makes me so sad that people are so negative about teaching. I retrained at 40 and am turning 50 this year. It has changed even in that short time but I still love it. It helps to find a good, supportive school who care about teacher wellbeing. It is exhausting, and I do wonder how long I’ll be able to work full time, but the holidays are great and I am able to have a good work life balance. The profession is crying out for people like you and it sounds like you will be able to cope with a high demand workplace. Absolutely go for it, what’s the worst that can happen?

Osory · 15/02/2025 19:05

Late to teaching too (qualified at 40 and now teaching 10 years) and I love it. Well it's an emotional rollercoaster but it is so interesting and rewarding and the good bits are brilliant.
You're getting the experience by being in a school so you're not going in blind.
Go for it

amigafan2003 · 15/02/2025 19:03

Don't do it - teaching (albeit at an FE/HE College) was the worst job I've ever had - didn't even make it to two years in before I resigned.

Low pay, long hours, can't choose your holiday dates, moving goal posts, micromanagement - I'd rather stack shelves in Aldi.

Bessica1970 · 15/02/2025 18:59

There’s a huge amount of negativity on here for teaching!
Retrained at 45 - I have loved every minute of it and love working in a very disadvantaged area.
I have been promoted through the ranks quickly as my prior life experience gave me an edge over younger entrants. 6 years into teaching I got an assistant head job. It’s very long hours but very rewarding.

If you’re going to do it, consider secondary too (I thought I would prefer primary but secondary has more advancement opportunities). I’m not so sure about doing it part time though!

Bycosycat · 15/02/2025 18:49

I work in education HR and have done for 20+ years. Teaching is not an easy option - I truly feel it is a vocation. You can still be a great teacher by working hard at it, but those who find it more of a calling, seem to find the challenges easier/more bearable/rewarding. Demands are high and the demands placed on you by SLT will also likely be high; they will understand what you are going through but also need to drive results/outcomes/agendas too. You can complete your ECT years part-time, but they will take longer to do.
I think it ultimately comes down to your passion and understanding of expectations - if you thrive on a challenge and know what’s involved, then go for it! If you want an easier life, then stick with the TA role (excellent TA’s are still hard to come by) and upskill to a HLTA role for some extra challenge. I think you will find being a teacher or HLTA most rewarding. Good luck and welcome to the sector.

Emsklyn1 · 15/02/2025 18:46

School budgets are being cut to the bone and what's happening is teachers are disappearing and TAs are being used to fill the gap on a TAs wage. Remember you won't get paid for holidays and will more than likely end up as a Dinner Lady as well as many schools are using TAs for that too.
Working with kids is amazingly worthwhile, but it can also be brutal and you can end the day in tears. Often!
I worked in Primary as a class teacher for years, Supply and a TA briefly. I also volunteered at my son's school. The only time I was treated even remotely well was as a volunteer. As an employee I got bit, kicked, spat at, my hair pulled, rumours spread about me, a chair thrown at me, numerous books, stabbed with a pencil and so on and so on. Parents can be abusive and intrusive - had parents come up to me on a Saturday morning demanding to discuss their child's progress and then telling the other parents I was a selfish bitch because I said to contact me at school is just one example.
I now tutor small groups and wouldn't want to go back to the classroom for anything.

MystyLuna · 15/02/2025 18:36

I am 44 now but trained as a primary school teacher when I was straight out of college.
There is no way I would ever go back to teaching now.
I last taught in 2016 or 2017.
I loved the actual teaching side of it but there was so much other stuff that I hated. When you work out how many hours I spent working each week and how much of that I spent teaching it was a very small percentage.
My working week was full of other stressful and pointless stuff which greatly outweighed the part of the job I liked.
I have returned to teaching twice after giving it up and regretted it both times.
I don't miss it at all when I am not teaching.

Rubiscoisfantastic · 15/02/2025 18:24

For the love of god, don’t do it! There’s a reason why there’s a mass exodus of teachers from the profession.

fnjnryn · 15/02/2025 18:22

I’m a secondary teacher, but if you’re planning on working part time (as I do) the job is manageable! Just be prepared to actually work full time hours during the week though…!

Casperroonie · 15/02/2025 18:21

MyPearlCrow · 14/02/2025 08:47

Just that really. I was a solicitor/partner in a law firm for my first career but burned out /got bored and cynical, so gave it up. luckily we can afford for me not to work which I realise is such a privilege.

I volunteer in a primary school now several days a week and essentially do an unpaid TA role. Here, TAs here are essentially teachers without all the planning/prep/responsibility, as in they actively teach the curriculum to small groups of children. They are highly skilled.

I have considered being a TA. I have been offered a paid role at my current school. But I’m still considering my options and it’s desperately badly paid. And all the TAs here are technically over qualified (all degree educated, or ex teachers, but don’t want the ridiculous workload of a teacher; entry requirement for TA role in England is just passes in gcse English maths and science) but they are paid peanuts. But it’s such a rewarding role and I love it. I think I could really add value.

Complete honesty here: I also realise that I’m used to running the show, in my old job. I suspect that in time I would want to make my own decisions on how to deal with my class, rather than carry out someone else’s instructions. I can already see ways I would want change up the teaching/approach for some children who are struggling. I am acutely aware that teachers just don’t have time to individualise the curriculum for 30 kids though, so I’m aware I might be looking at this from the 6-8 kids I currently take responsibility for in lessons and the ability to do this with a whole class might be much more limited.

i really love being with kids, I value education, I’m a good ‘teacher’ - as in I love to explain things simply and differently to children (or in my old role, to adults too).

Teachers - am I mad? I know too well how hard the job is these days. The primary curriculum here is crazy complicated. The breadth of ability and need is jaw dropping. But I truly believe in state education being a passport to a better life and would love to be part of that.

or do I just take the TA role, qualify up as much as I can in TA courses and accept I’ll be minimum wage forever but trying to make a difference?

important point: I have kids, so want to work part time. And train part time too. I know there are options for this but it will be competitive (I have top grades academically which I think might help). If I do a part time pgce, could I do my first year as a newly qualified teacher part time or is that not an option?

I don’t underestimate what a massive, difficult, demanding and at times (currently) desperately frustrating role teaching is. Am I too old for such a huge challenge? I’d love some wisdom from teachers and ex teachers please.

Go for it, of it gets too much you can always fall back on tutoring but if you're not qualified you won't have the option.

Haditwithallofthisrubbish1 · 15/02/2025 18:18

There is a massive massive difference between being a teacher and being a TA. Spending time as a TA does not prepare people for the job as a teacher in my experience. I left teaching and never looked back. It is very long hours and it is often thankless sadly and the government continue to input changes and more pressure. I expect you will add value to the profession and hopefully enjoy the role but please do go in with your eyes open.

oustedbymymate · 15/02/2025 18:13

Ex teacher here. Don't do it.

Foostit · 15/02/2025 18:01

MyPearlCrow · 15/02/2025 14:57

I mean office hours. My normal office hours were between 8am-6/7pm, often longer. what I don’t want to do is work only evenings and weekends tutoring.

@MyPearlCrow
I think what the poster was trying to say is that teaching is nowhere close to office hours.
You can expect to be in school 7:30 - 6 and then have another 2-4 hours of work to do in the evenings. Then you’ll be working at weekends and during a lot of the holidays too. This is not an exaggeration. In particular the May half term and Easter holidays are very busy with workload, report writing etc. From a young age my DC have always said that the one job they would never do is teaching and this is purely down to the amount of work they saw me do at home while they were growing up. My youngest DC is a solicitor and she does put in a lot of hours but even she says this doesn’t compare to teaching. Remember as well that teachers are putting in these extra hours on top of dealing with difficult parents and awful behaviour, not a day in the office.

VickyEadieofThigh · 15/02/2025 17:02

saraclara · 15/02/2025 16:09

That's what happens to teachers already in post when the curriculum changes. But my daughter definitely learned about the national curriculum when she trained as a primary teacher.

Edited

They will not have taught her the national curriculum on her course - she will have been expected to learn the expected content prior to teaching it.

saraclara · 15/02/2025 16:41

MyPearlCrow · 15/02/2025 16:13

Ok that’s good to know. I’ll investigate, thank you.

It seems super scary that TAs are actively teaching small groups when they haven’t been ‘taught’ the content. So much room for error? Especially when the content is so complex and dense.

The TAs are trained by the teacher, who has to explain exactly what is needed from the task they've been given. They don't have to understand exactly what's gone into the thinking behind the lesson plan, they just have to understand the task, and what they had to look for from the child/ren.

As I was in special ed, I generally had three or four TAs in my class. So you can imagine the level of my planning to ensure that each of them knew what they were doing and how to do it.

Fortunately I didn't have some of the time consuming tasks that mainstream teachers do though.

Shinyandnew1 · 15/02/2025 16:19

what you call all the planning / prep / responsibility is what's driving people out.

This x 100.

When people say TAs do 'exactly the same job as the teacher', it really underestimates what the expectations of a teacher actually are.

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