to call my cockerpoo a poodle?

A mongrel is any mix of two or more breeds, or crossbreeds. So yes, even dogs bred from two pedigree parents of differing breeds are mongrels.

People who buy mongrels don't like us using their real name, because it shows that they've paid ridiculous amounts for a backyard bred puppy with a made up name. I absolutely do judge people who intentionally buy mongrels, especially those who then insist they're called a hippocrocodoodle and that's a BREED dontcha know? Or that they only got one because they're "hypoallergenic" 🙄

It just shows a complete lack of education, a low level of intelligence, and someone who couldn't give a fuck about the welfare of dogs.

Which is a mongrel.

No, because it's not a poodle 🙄

When people asked what our evidently largely spaniel was crossed with, I’d just say I had no idea, but we’d been told that her dad was probably a ruffian from a local farm.

I'd love to see a pic of that!

Would love to see that!

There's a difference between a long-term, deliberate crossing of breeds to create a purpose-bred mix, and just breeding poodles with whatever other breed of dog available, though.

The reason most people object to "oodles" is because the majority are puppy-farmed and exist purely to make money, rather than because the breeder actually wants to create a genuine, healthy mixed breed.

I actually think the current fad for doodlydoos comes from snobbery. Like pp who is embarrassed to say poodle.

many people actually want a poodle. They list the qualities they want in a dog- non shedding, hypoallergenic, intelligent, trainable etc- so they want a poodle. But people have this image in their head that a poodle is all pom-poms and shaved faces, so they want a cross to bring something a bit less “wimpy”, for want of a better word. Not realising if you give a poodle a teddy cut and not the pom-poms, they look pretty much the same.

So they take all those characteristics they want and dilute them with another breed, so thy have less of the breed type they want, but hey, it’s now a jackapoo or a shipoo. It’s a cuddly teddy bear, not an effete pompom.

That and people don’t get genetics. now there seems to be a myth that if you cross something with a poodle you somehow increase the poodle qualities like the non shedding. I was offered a “chipoo” once because funnily enough the kid was still allergic to it, despite being ok with poodles. I also saw an ad a while back where a woman insisted she must have a yorkiepoo. She wanted a yorkie, but her grandson was allergic to dogs so it had to be crossed with a poodle. She didn’t seem to get that a yorkie was already a low allergenic non shedding dog, and even if it wasn’t, if the alllergy thing is so important just get the poodle.

You should call it a mongrel.

How do you suppose the breeds of dogs we now recognise arose? They were all made, not arising spontaneously.

Forgot to add - I like many of the fashionable new poodle crosses, they do have a place in the world and I've met quite a few. I also know a fair bit about poodles - a much maligned breed that is tough and brave, and only got it's bad reputation because a) they are small and can be yappy and b) so many of the Miniatures or Toys would be owned by people who treated them like babies not dogs.

But it's very clear to me that people get them because they are an "in" breed at present. When the Disney film 101 Dalmatians came out, everyone wanted a Dalmatian - now the breed is in danger in the UK. Over the last few decades the most popular dog breed has changed over time - we've had Poodles up there, Beagles, Cavalier KC Spaniels, Cocker spaniels, Alsatians, and of course the old standby the Labrador. Old English Sheepdogs Collies got very popular when Dulux started to use them in their TV ads - now classed as at riskr, as are KC Spaniels (different from the Cavalier KC), Greyhounds are finally coming out of the doldrums. All breeds that have gone through phases of being in fashion.

One thing people forget to consider when they cross different breeds is that you can't be sure you'll get just the desirable traits from each breed, it's just as possible to get less desirable traits combining e.g. Cocker Spaniels are highly intelligent, high energy and a little crazy. So are poodles especially the miniatures & toys. So you can end up with a dog that is far too high energy for many of the people who want a cute little family pet.

Sorry but I always have a bit of a problem when the first thing other dog owners tell me is how much their dog cost.🙁

That's a distinction that is designer led. I appreciate that breeders and others may wish to think that crossing two breeds somehow makes their dogs distinct from other "mixes". I clearly don't subscribe to that theory. I agree with Conran. They are "mutts". Nothing wrong with mutts. Had them myself. But didn't pay a fortune to call them a designer dog.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/sep/26/labradoodle-inventor-lifes-regret-frankenstein-monster

This site says:

To be called a Cockapoo they have to have at least 25% of the pedigree core breed in them

If yours is only 18%, then technically, it isn't a cockerpoo. You can call it what you like though.

https://www.britishcockapoosociety.com/contents-page.html

Making an assumption that that was what I was saying. Since it wasn't, you know what assuming things means.

I don’t expect many nowadays could cope with the term “mongrel” but cross breed is perfectly acceptable for anything that isn’t a recognised KC full breed. At some point or other, most recognised “breeds” came about by crossing various breeds for certain characteristics, just as Cavapoos, Labradoodles, Sprockers, etc…. did. At some point, they may well be recognised in their own right, but at the moment, the breed characteristics are not fixed enough. Just love them for what they are. (Some awful breed characteristics have been bred into recognised Pedigree Breeds, poor things are now a shadow of what the breeds once were.)

We have a Labrador, a brown one. We often used to get people asking us what breed he was (he looks, smells, behaves, misbehaves entirely like a Labrador🤣) so we used to say he was a “Doge de Fromage”🤣🤣🤣

Cockerpoo (as in Cocker Spaniel crossed with a Poodle) is a cross breed, not a KC registered breed, and as such they were correct in calling it a mongrel.

It does annoy me when I've heard people talking about their "pure bred" cockerpoo dog, by definition it's a cross breed unless/until the KC agreed to register it as a breed in it's own right. That's why at registered dog shows, you won't find a class for cockerpoos.

I think calling it a poodle is fine if that's what you want. But I think people who pompously correct others to use the term mongrel are thinking of the days when random mixes mated with random mixes, rather than the selective pairing of two breeds.

@EmmaMaria A mongrel is a mix of different breeds. Many what we now call breeds were originally crosses. Breeding true is the what one looks for and a breeder would select for when deciding on further breeding when working on a new strain. So a cockerpoo is an F1 which may or may not breed true - you could get a variety of body shapes between cocker and poodle if you bred from that generation. Not really the same as a mongrel.

I have a pedigree dog as well as a designer mongrel. They both cost the same. They are both gorgeous and bring me lots if happiness.

Why are you so irritated with what people spend their money on?

Sad.

As i said earlier i have a schnauzer and a doodle/mongrel. I asked them last night what i should call the mongrel if asked as to not hurt his feelings. They were unanimous with wankerdoodle. So thats going to be fun in future.

I havent seen any annimosity to any doo. Doodle on here or in public. People who tend to ask or show interest tend to be dog lovers. If you just said it was a dog, 99% would give a toss.

However if you really want to know why there may be some kind of animosity against 'fashion dogs' its the market you are encouraging. Whether it be xl bullies, doodles, whatever inbred bug eyed monstrosity is the next fashion item it is never done with the dogs health in mind. It is 100% a marketing scam to earn more and more money by, the majority being unscrupulous breeders. A huge proportion of the dog breeding in this country is related to puppy farms/drug money/whatever other illegal business. It is a huge money maker that joe bloggs fuels with their lust for the next fashionable mutt. Of course there are grade A top notch breeders who are worth their weight in gold but thats a minority and controlling it is impossible.

Ask a dog refuge how they feel about fashion statement dogs when they are rammed full of dogs that have suddenly become unfashionable because the owner is a complete newcomer who gets themselves a totally unsuitable dog or cant afford the vets bills for their inbred bug eyed, cant breathe of or swallow properly abomination.

I tend to see the dog world similar to the coffee world. There is a huge market for arseholes wanting to pay 10x more for a moccawhattabullshit because someone has convinced everyone that a normal white coffee for 10x less wasnt quite good enough.

I could be less of a wanker.

I doubt it.

There was no snide comment. That's in your head. A dog that is not a thoroughbred is a mongrel, a cross - whatever you want to call it is is a mix of breeds and not worth £thousands. It was a comment about mongrels, not about the OPs dog specifically, although is is not a Poodle, nor a Cockapoo - is is a mongrel. It is only in recent years that people have come to be convinced that mongrels are worth £thousands. These are all facts. Not snide comments. Get over yourself.

This thread is utterly alien to me. I have cats. Never owned a dog in my life. Is this what dog people are like? What's all this talk about being embarrassed by your dog's breed? The hell have you got the dog for then?

As for all the poodle doodle strudel... I have no idea wtf is going on. It's fascinating to me that there are people wandering about society caring about any of this.