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To report what a comedian said to me 6 years ago

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Redspottyfrog · 14/02/2025 04:40

Was at a works do at a hotel in a certain north west town, very famous for entertainment and shows and such, and they had a guy on telling jokes and introducing various forms of entertainment.
He was not funny at all and was being very crude (I am not a prude but that way he was doing it was just yuck)

anyway he catches sight of me and yells “omg look at the size of those knockers, they are huge” everyone laughs while I die a little inside.
he then proceeds to get 3 blokes up on stage to “check me out”. These blokes are looking me up and down like I am a piece of meat.

The guy then asked me to stand up and jump up and down so they bounce so the men can have a really good luck. At this stage I get up and walk out and the guy is shouting what a prude I am and for goodness sake love it was only a laugh.

I am in tears at this stage and go back to my room in the hotel. I phone my husband who insists on coming to get me even though it was a two hour drive. None of my colleagues came to check on me. When husband gets there I am waiting for him and he tries to insist he goes into the hotel and demands to speak to someone but I get in that much of a state he just gives me a hug and takes me home.

the worst thing is I did not do anything, I did not complain I just wanted to put it behind me. Also my colleagues really took the piss and I ended up leaving (luckily it was a job I was only doing a few hours at to make some extra money)

the reason it is playing on my mind is all these allegations coming out about certain male celebs. I am awake now thinking about it. I know this guy is not a celeb but he actually still works at this hotel and does the Christmas cabaret shows so he has no doubt done this to other women. I have always been angry at myself for not doing anything and a still have the odd nightmare about it. Do I make a complaint now or just accept it’s too late and in the past

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DollydaydreamTheThird · 14/02/2025 11:10

AnonymousBleep · 14/02/2025 11:07

The incels seem to be out today.

Indeed👊

NCfornow256 · 14/02/2025 11:08

I don't know whether it's worth complaining to the hotel, but it sounds like you work for a really shit company if they thought that sort of comedy was appropriate for a works do. If I had been there as your colleague, I would have walked out with you. The fact that this happened and no one supported you shows you who they are, and I'd be looking for a new job if I were you.

I'm surprised that so many here don't seem to understand how utterly soul destroying an incident like that can be. The worst of it is that it shows that misogyny / objectification of women is still ingrained and deemed acceptable in our society. If someone were targeted for any other protected characteristic there would have been an outcry.

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 11:07

Justanotherperson2025 · 14/02/2025 08:21

Naming him on here might result in her being sued for defamation and libel, unless she has proof.

How? She's anonymous. Also there were a lot of witnesses - if it did come to that

AnonymousBleep · 14/02/2025 11:07

The incels seem to be out today.

CoffeeCantata · 14/02/2025 11:07

Redspottyfrog · 14/02/2025 04:53

No proof. It’s not worth it is it. Just looked at the reviews of the hotel and it seems most people find this guy hilarious so would not get anywhere.

You have my total sympathy, OP - he sounds like a pos, for sure.

But being realistic, after this time-gap, I honestly doubt you'll achieve much except the humiliation of having to explain, relive and justify (to some stupid people, most likely) your concerns.

If he was famous - you might get more traction. But if he's just a small-town idiot, no-one will care enough to listen.

I'm sorry - I absolutely am not minimising it - I just think it will be a thankless and fruitless task when aimed at a local moron.

SnowFrogJelly · 14/02/2025 11:06

It was 6 years ago.. just try to move on

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 11:04

Dotjones · 14/02/2025 10:05

Your anger should be directed at your former employer. It was a "works do" therefore they have a duty of care to protect you from harassment.

It was a comedian doing a comedy show. It sounds like a lot of people found it hilarious. That's the thing with comedy, what someone finds distasteful and upsetting will have someone else in stitches. I mean, I find Mrs Brown's Boys upsetting and distasteful, but presumably someone must like it because it wouldn't keep getting broadcast.

Generally if you go to a comedy show you should familiarise yourself with the comedian's material beforehand so you know whether you are likely to be offended or not. And at least know whether to avoid sitting in the front few rows.

Oh come on. If you don't enjoy the style of comedy that's one thing but no one should be expected to put up with the kind of thing the OP experienced. How can being objectified in front of a room full of people be compared with watching a TV show at home?

Also it's not the employers job to prevent harassment in this situation, although it might be expected that they would be supportive if it happened. It's solely up to the comedian to avoid sexual harassment. It's not that difficult surely. If he wants to do this kind of thing he needs to put a stooge in the audience.

DollydaydreamTheThird · 14/02/2025 11:04

Jesusisking23 · 14/02/2025 09:39

Comedy shows are not for the faint hearted. Appreciate you felt upset but this is what happens at shows & there is nothing they are going to do if you complain

This is absolute bullshit. Making sexual jokes about people's appearance is considered very low brow in comedy. Noone does this anymore. It is vile and disgusting. I watch a lot of stand up and proper comedians do not stoop to this level. The man is an amateur and has to resort to cheap jokes to get a laugh. Probably has the IQ of a tadpole.

cakeorwine · 14/02/2025 11:02

Substitute another characteristic in there and see if the comedian would comment on that person's characteristics?

I don't understand why comedians do this - and people laugh - which is another thing I don't get.

Funnywonder · 14/02/2025 11:02

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/02/2025 10:38

Where did i say that .
He was a groomer and pedophile. I used sexual abuse as an example .

I could write a list of what I think of the man and what he did to OP but, it was words and embarrassing .
Surely he has to have changed his “material “ ? He wouldn’t /shouldn't get away with that now as I have said times have changed .

We can’t go around charging everyone for hitting kids or pupils from 30/50 years ago as it was legal and seen as acceptable then .
I think the same applies in this situation .

Yes complain at the time but not now .
If it happened now then it would be voicing differently.

Edited

This was six years ago. SIX. How exactly do you think times have changed in six years? You’re talking about this as if it happened in the 1970s. I’m pretty sure 2019 was considered to be enlightened times. How have times magically changed since 2019? You have decided that it was ‘embarrassing’ for the OP. Embarrassment might cause a wave of discomfort upon remembering a particular incident. But this is much more. How about shame? Humiliation? Trauma? I think it is disgraceful to minimise the OP’s experience by writing it off as merely embarrassing. Maybe you would have been embarrassed, but it was much more to her.

2JFDIYOLO · 14/02/2025 11:01

Does he have an agent? Remind them of the number of men whose behaviour has led to them being quietly dropped, cancelled etc because being associated with them has become problematic.

See if he's still working at the venue. Give them an account of what happened.

See if there's any way you can leave reviews like you can for a builder or airb&B.

He may be a member of Equity, the performers union. You could send them account saying you don't know if he's a member, but you felt they should know in case he is - or applies to join. They take safety etc seriously.

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/02/2025 11:01

DollydaydreamTheThird · 14/02/2025 09:26

This is sexual harassment OP. If someone did this in the workplace they would be sacked. I can't believe the lack of support you are getting from other women! Beggars belief. I would complain to the hotel and tell them the effect it has had on you years down the line. The man needs to be stopped!!

I would be saying do this and do that if it was 6hrs ago .

It was 6 years ago .
The crazy world we live in changes monthly , yearly .

treesandsun · 14/02/2025 11:00

Someone advised writing to him and I think this is a good idea. I would also send the same letter to the hotel. I often read things where someone (often teachers) have said something positive or negative that has stayed with them for years - words and actions are powerful. You may find it cathartic to get it written down - rather than holding on to it all these years. I think you may feel better for that.
He may feel bad - he may not care . It is about if it helps you.

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 10:59

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/02/2025 10:38

Where did i say that .
He was a groomer and pedophile. I used sexual abuse as an example .

I could write a list of what I think of the man and what he did to OP but, it was words and embarrassing .
Surely he has to have changed his “material “ ? He wouldn’t /shouldn't get away with that now as I have said times have changed .

We can’t go around charging everyone for hitting kids or pupils from 30/50 years ago as it was legal and seen as acceptable then .
I think the same applies in this situation .

Yes complain at the time but not now .
If it happened now then it would be voicing differently.

Edited

6 years, the OP said. Reading comprehension really is terrible! Do you understand there's a long time between 2019 and 1995 or 1975?

DollydaydreamTheThird · 14/02/2025 10:58

Justanotherperson2025 · 14/02/2025 09:42

She is receiving sympathy and support from all women here, including me. Some of us are just using facts and not encouraging her to do something that could cause her damage and harm.

I haven't told her to do anything that would cause her damage or harm either. Looks like I touched a nerve with you though if you felt the need to respond to my comment. If women just brush these things off and don't support women who are genuinely traumatized by sexual harassment then it's a poor show on all of us. Misogyny is alive and well on Mumsnet just like anywhere else. Women are always dismissed and everything is just a 'bad joke' don't take it too seriously etc etc. It's not, it is misogyny, sexual harassment and it's a power thing. They want to make you uncomfortable and make you squirm. Putrid little man he is. The fact that OP''s colleagues didn't back her up goes to show how entrenched these attitudes are in our society. I stand with you OP, do whatever you need to do to feel better about a horrible situation you were put in.

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 10:57

Telling crude jokes is one thing. Targeting a random person in the audience and humiliating them in a predatory way is not ok. I would definitely be complaining. It's disgusting.

C8H10N4O2 · 14/02/2025 10:56

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/02/2025 10:38

Where did i say that .
He was a groomer and pedophile. I used sexual abuse as an example .

I could write a list of what I think of the man and what he did to OP but, it was words and embarrassing .
Surely he has to have changed his “material “ ? He wouldn’t /shouldn't get away with that now as I have said times have changed .

We can’t go around charging everyone for hitting kids or pupils from 30/50 years ago as it was legal and seen as acceptable then .
I think the same applies in this situation .

Yes complain at the time but not now .
If it happened now then it would be voicing differently.

Edited

Where did i say that

From your post:

i don’t agree with dragging up all the stuff from years ago because we lived in a different world then. .6. 12,20, 26,32 years ago
What was seen as acceptable then is not now
Yes you should / could have complained at the time. You didn’t and it’s been 6 years

The only reason Saville and his ilk were uncovered was precisely because women spoke up about experiences years before. Saville's actions were not legal when he abused young girls - he got away with it for years precisely because the girls were afraid, isolated and knew they wouldn't be believed.

The whole #MeToo movement was women jointly speaking up where they had felt unable to - not least because of people say to us "it isn't worth it, it doesn't matter, you won't be believed, it was ok when they did it".

This performer's behaviour certainly wasn't acceptable six years ago (or 30). The OP's employer had a duty of care to her at the time this happened.

But yes, lets tell women their experiences don't matter and they should just shut up because they were too humiliated, embarrased or scared to raise it immediately.

Honestly a slug couldn't limbo under the standards bar for men on this site at times.

AnonymousBleep · 14/02/2025 10:53

He is vile and I certainly would feedback to the hotel how offensive he was and how upset you were by his routine, and post a stinker of a review on TripAdvisor.

Praying4Peace · 14/02/2025 10:53

Redspottyfrog · 14/02/2025 05:20

I would not contact the police it would be the hotel. It’s ok I won’t bother I obviously overreacted. Maybe I should have even been flattered.

I don't think you have over reacted OP, his behaviour is terrible and I believe it needs to be reported. No hesitation. I would be very upset too

Lwrenn · 14/02/2025 10:48

I hope that comedian gets shat on by an elephant, unfunny plank he sounds.

My pals and I were out one Sunday afternoon and a singer changed the line from the song I love rock n roll to “so can I take you home/so she can suck my bone”. And pointed at me which got some laughs, unfortunately for him I was 16, highly unhinged and just started screaming at him he was older than my grandad (he absolutely wasn’t I was just really drunk) and he was deffo in Gary glitters gang. I was removed by a bouncer and my friends were furious with me because we’d gotten in without ID. It was roughly 20 years ago and still gets mentioned the time I got us thrown out of one of the worst dive pubs on the face of the earth for calling the pub singer a nonce.

ARingtoit · 14/02/2025 10:44

You haven't over reacted and the way some commenters have framed their replies is really unhelpful. He is clearly a disgusting gross pig. God knows what he does to women behind closed doors. You have opened up about it and should be supported by women. You could certainly write to the hotel and let them know this happened. Aside from the fact he sounds ridiculously unfunny, this type of joke won't wash with younger audiences and their business will fizzle out. Glad you have a supportive partner.

HarrietMartineau · 14/02/2025 10:39

LillyPJ · 14/02/2025 05:31

It sounds like he was the sort of 'comedian' who told those sort of 'jokes'. There were several of them around back then, unfortunately. Most of the audience would be expecting it so I don't think complaining about it would help.

"Back then" was 2019 if you read the OP's post. Not 1973.

Imbusytodaysorry · 14/02/2025 10:38

C8H10N4O2 · 14/02/2025 09:13

So the likes of Saville et al should have been left to continue their celeb lives because their victims did not feel able to speak up at the time?

The point is not that the OP is likely to get anything significant in redress but

  • there may be many other complaints of this type, all being told "it was only words" and "it was years ago"
  • lower level sexual harrassment and abuse victims can be part of an escalating story leading to even more serious crimes
  • it gives the hotel an opportunity to provide guidance and support for if this is still happening and reminds them of their duty of care

I would write a non emotive and fact based account and send it to the hotel management (or the chain management if applicable), pointing out the distress, embarrassment and consequential leaving the job. This was way beyond the drunk customer in the bar who gets arsey.

I would ask them what reporting processes are avaialble to current staff now and how they supervise the behaviour of their entertainment employees.

Where did i say that .
He was a groomer and pedophile. I used sexual abuse as an example .

I could write a list of what I think of the man and what he did to OP but, it was words and embarrassing .
Surely he has to have changed his “material “ ? He wouldn’t /shouldn't get away with that now as I have said times have changed .

We can’t go around charging everyone for hitting kids or pupils from 30/50 years ago as it was legal and seen as acceptable then .
I think the same applies in this situation .

Yes complain at the time but not now .
If it happened now then it would be voicing differently.

sesquipedalian · 14/02/2025 10:37

OP, I think the best bet is to put up a review on the hotel website calling out this so-called comedian for his misogynistic crudity, and if you can find an account for him on social media, do the same - attack him for the fact that belittling someone’s appearance is not funny, it’s just cruel. I don’t think there’s anything else you can do, certainly not after six years - and no matter what he said, what he did wasn’t actually illegal. I would be far more upset than none of my work colleagues had my back. Commiserations - it was horrid, but you need to leave it in the past.

Dagnabit · 14/02/2025 10:31

I’m not sure you’d get anywhere with it because it’s just words but I understand why you were and still are upset about it. You could look at therapy to move past it? People can be horrible 💐

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