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To think we overthink parenting these days??

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Waffle19 · 13/02/2025 21:25

I’ve just had my daily scroll on Instagram and been bombarded by parenting posts such as ‘imagine you’re 5 years old and trying to get dressed’ and ‘5 ways you’re abusing your child’ which includes things like yelling.

Now admittedly it’s easy to avoid this by just not going on social media but that and so many posts I see on here just make me think maybe we’ve overthinking things these days?

Is my four year old really going to be traumatised because I rush him to get his shoes on every morning?

Is my one year old really going to learn how to act safer because I say ‘what’s your plan here’ instead of ‘be careful’ every time?

I used to lap all of this and the whole gentle parenting thing up but I think I’m slowly realising what a ridiculous amount of pressure I’ve been putting on myself.

My kids are loved, fed, clothed, read to, seemingly happy, and I try not to yell too much. Surely that’s enough? Is this me emerging from the PFB bubble??

YANBU - get off social media and stop overthinking

YABU - you need to learn all this stuff else your kid will have issues later down the line

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Notgivenuphope · 14/02/2025 13:46

user3827 · 14/02/2025 12:19

This generation of young adults are the most likely to go NC on their parents. The ones who were brought up with gentle parenting.

fully agree. Spoilt, dramatic and entitled. Bet they will come crawling back when their parents are dead and want the inheritance.
NC used to be for the most heinous of 'offences'. Now people are going NC over silly differences of opinion (usually when a partner is involved)

Twatalert · 14/02/2025 13:45

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 13:27

I am not arguing for it. But don't try and argue against it by saying adults do not yell at adults like someone has. Argue it from a perspective of what you think is right or effective.

I would argue that the comparison between parent/child and coworker relationship is closer than the one you made. That's because there actually is a relationship with someone you know and you will actually have to deal with the consequences of yelling. Nobody yells at a coworker to get them to do something, and if they do they will end up in HR.

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 13:42

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 14/02/2025 13:37

Is that Aristotle? I always thought it was the Jesuits.

Yes it was the Jesuits

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 14/02/2025 13:41

BogRollBOGOF · 14/02/2025 00:11

I did cloth nappies and some "baby wearing" 10+ years ago and found a lot of the "attachment style" crunchy parenting in the fb groups ridiculously idealistic, guilt inducing and not very grounded in reality. Fortunately instagram was not a thing then (and I hadn't made it to a smart phone). I also worked with young people which gave me a lot of confidence in what were reasonable expectations of children and how to manage behaviour.

Having been raised by parents who'd been raising children in the 60s & 70s, it just didn't seem logical that babies would be ruined so easily by things like crying for a few minutes while a shower was being finished or a sandwich being made so I've never felt guilty about not prioritising baby over meeting my basic needs. I haven't parented in the same way as my parents (no babies left to cry it out in the pram at the bottom of the garden), but a lot of the parenting of the early 2010s seemed too far the other way to the detriment of maternal well-being and with little extra benefit to the child.

I've made it to the teen years. They're not in therapy yet Grin
They know what "no" means. Are pleasant to teach. Are well mannered. They know that if they do not co-operate with reasonable expectations and polite requests there will be consequences.

They're not angels and they certainly try their luck especially as they've got older, but it's healthy for them to know that other people have thresholds on what behaviour can be tolerated, where patience has a limit and that unreasonable behaviour has consequences to them (often fixed period tech bans if a natural consequence isn't appropriate). Today DS2 tried his luck at not wheeling the bin back when asked. That was fine, he could stay out in the front garden while I completed jobs in the car; it was his tech time he was missing 🤷‍♀️ Funny how within a minute he decided that it was worth bringing back the bin, and I decided that it was worth unlocking the house while he fetched it. I could have launched into a lengthy spiel about family and teamwork and feelings but that would have taken far longer to mind-numb him into submission.

He still ended up cuddling up on the sofa watching TV with me tonight, so he doesn't seem too damaged by the experience of manual labour and maternal stubborness matching his level of effort 😉

Children need boundaries. There isn't one-size-fits-all perfect method so there's no point in sweating over every minor detail. Some parenting advice sounds great in theory but doesn't match real world personalities or situations. I've got this far on winging it, and trial and error, and we're still going, love each other and functioning in line with society's expectations. (Double-win when dealing with ND children!)

I did cloth nappies and some "baby wearing" 10+ years ago and found a lot of the "attachment style" crunchy parenting in the fb groups ridiculously idealistic, guilt inducing and not very grounded in reality. Fortunately instagram was not a thing then (and I hadn't made it to a smart phone). I also worked with young people which gave me a lot of confidence in what were reasonable expectations of children and how to manage behaviour.

I needed to hear that today. Someone in a local mums group chat just suggested making a photo book of yourself and your baby nursing to gently wean them off breastfeeding and everyone was suggesting different books like “bye bye nursie” or something like that. I was beginning to feel like a terrible mother because we just stopped.

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 14/02/2025 13:37

PixieandDelilahsmum · 14/02/2025 11:08

What a load of nonsense, we have raised successful human beings for millions of years without these Instagram and 'gentle parenting' 'experts'. Everyone famous or wannabe famous person is a parenting expert these days.

Best thing I ever read when my children were little was: ‘give me a child until he is seven and I will show you the man’ (Aristotle).

Edited

Is that Aristotle? I always thought it was the Jesuits.

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 14/02/2025 13:35

I’m with you, OP. And laughing at “what’s your plan here?” When the child is teetering off the edge of a cliff, running towards stinging nettles, whacking their baby brother etc.

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 13:27

Twatalert · 14/02/2025 13:26

And would you try and build a friendship with someone like that for example? If not, why and how are children supposed to continue put up with that from their main caregiver, whilst being totally helpless?

I am not arguing for it. But don't try and argue against it by saying adults do not yell at adults like someone has. Argue it from a perspective of what you think is right or effective.

Twatalert · 14/02/2025 13:26

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 13:18

It is pretty much part of the job. Sure people can get banned from the shop for example, but it is common place.

And would you try and build a friendship with someone like that for example? If not, why and how are children supposed to continue put up with that from their main caregiver, whilst being totally helpless?

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 13:26

Although I often see things on here which make it clear the commenter has lived a pretty narrow life e.g. OMG the school are controlling when kids go to the toilet, no adult gets treated like this. When it is commonplace in minimum wage jobs to have to ask to go to the toilet and have restrictions.

DecidedlyUndecided · 14/02/2025 13:25

I totally agree.

I used to research parenting styles and choices quite obsessively after my first child. Any decision I made would only come after hours spent on the internet, I thought this was a good parenting move.

It took me a while to realise that it was making me miserable. It seems impossible to make an informed decision when all the research and advice seems to contradict each other. Then there are some quite extreme methods and views out there which made me feel so guilty about being a normal, imperfect parent, which I imagine most of us are.

I try not to get bogged down in the research these days. I know my values and the values I'd like my children to have. I know firm boundaries help children to feel safe. I know that communication and unconditional love is key. Most of the time we do well. Sometimes things get a bit chaotic, sometimes there is a bit too much screen time, sometimes I'm a bit too shouty - but we always come back to our main family values.

I think learning to trust yourself is an important part of the process. Sometimes the overwhelming amount of information out there can mean you lose autonomy without realising. I also think we sometimes stop seeing the child who is in front of us when we rely too heavily on the internet for parenting inspiration.

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 13:18

Twatalert · 14/02/2025 13:04

And it's considered harassment.

It is pretty much part of the job. Sure people can get banned from the shop for example, but it is common place.

Lyannaa · 14/02/2025 13:09

user3827 · 14/02/2025 12:18

I don't think you know what abuse is.

Or perhaps you don’t. If you think that shouting at people is acceptable.

Twatalert · 14/02/2025 13:04

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 12:37

Those saying adults do not yell at each other have never worked with the public in a minimum wage job.

And it's considered harassment.

PerambulationFrustration · 14/02/2025 12:53

There are ways to do gentle parenting but it needs to be combined with making sure you provide your kids with practical and emotional skills.
I'm not the perfect parents by any means but I have used some gentle parenting (never punish my dc, validate their feelings) with some authoritative parenting (have to help with chores, clean rooms, no rudeness tolerated) which has allowed a good balance where dc are well mannered, fair, with a good work ethic and good friends.
My eldest mentioned the other day that if I'd been more strict, maybe he would've done better at school like his friends who's parents go ballistic if they don't get an A. (He's doing fine at University so I'm not sure if it was one of those jokes of truth)
You can't win as parents Confused

Snorlaxo · 14/02/2025 12:48

InvisibilityCloakActivated · 14/02/2025 12:21

I think a lot of the "parenting experts" on social media have kids that are under the age of 5. I would be very interested to see what their kids are like as teens or as adults.

Sometimes parenting experts are simply famous people (or people who would like to be famous) with kids. It’s amazing how much attention and money they make out of that con.

Snorlaxo · 14/02/2025 12:41

Yanbu
Stop engaging with parenting accounts and spend some time teaching the algorithm what kind of stuff you want to see. Mine is recipes, gardening, funny pets and kids, fan pages of programmes I like.. Recently I got hooked on those Reddit story reposts so had to teach the algorithm not to show them.

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 12:41

Tourmalines · 14/02/2025 01:22

You sound normal to me .

Not allowing screens, though highly commendable, is definitely not normal! I literally don't know any children over age 2 who don't either watch some TV or have a tablet (usually both)

JoyousGreyOrca · 14/02/2025 12:37

Those saying adults do not yell at each other have never worked with the public in a minimum wage job.

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 12:32

user3827 · 14/02/2025 12:19

This generation of young adults are the most likely to go NC on their parents. The ones who were brought up with gentle parenting.

On what do you base this assertion?
I disagree - I know loads of people in their 20s and 30s who go on holiday with parents, phone them daily and have really good, close relationships. This wasn't really the case with gen x - you stopped going on holiday with parents at 16 and the relationship is generally more distant.
Going NC is an extreme - I don't know anyone of any age like that although you hear it on MN a lot

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 12:29

DancingLions · 14/02/2025 09:28

I had my DC decades ago so it's interesting for me to see how things have changed.

One thing that always surprises me a bit is how so many will say their toddler wakes at 5am and they have to get up with them. Mine would just get told "back to bed". Sometimes they'd just play quietly in their room, but it was just a standard that the time to get up was set by me, not them.

Likewise people saying they can never shower or get a cuppa. I had the bouncy chair, walkers, door hanging things (not sure if any of those things are in use now) and I just got on with what I needed to. Now it seems like every moment your child is awake you need to be interacting with them in some way.

I think parenting has been made a lot tougher now. And yes, SM doesn't help at all. I'm really glad it wasn't around when mine were young.

I must say, I don't get the whole "kind hands" thing either. How is it traumatising to tell a child something is "naughty". When an adult punches another adult and goes to Court, the Judge doesn't say "kind hands" 😂I don't see how it's wrong to tell children certain behaviours are unacceptable. They need to know that.

To be fair that depends entirely on the child. If you have one that plays quietly in their room that's great. One of mine used to wake up screaming hysterically. The options were either get up with him or lock his door and listen to him scream and try to get out for an hour. We don't have locks on the bedroom doors anyway so there was no way to make him stay in there. I think it's easy to be smug about your superior parenting when you happen to haha child who's biddable and will respond to what you tell them.

Twatalert · 14/02/2025 12:26

user3827 · 14/02/2025 12:19

This generation of young adults are the most likely to go NC on their parents. The ones who were brought up with gentle parenting.

I doubt you are receptive towards this, but they go NC because they know their worth more than any other generation before. They know to leave behind what has caused them great pain and cannot be fixed instead of continuing a relationship and never being able to be truly themselves. In other words: they leave behind emotionally immature parents.

InvisibilityCloakActivated · 14/02/2025 12:21

I think a lot of the "parenting experts" on social media have kids that are under the age of 5. I would be very interested to see what their kids are like as teens or as adults.

user3827 · 14/02/2025 12:19

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 12:16

Not criticising you personally but I don't think you can judge until they're adults. If they are 45, happy in life and career, and still wanting see you, you've done it right.

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This generation of young adults are the most likely to go NC on their parents. The ones who were brought up with gentle parenting.

user3827 · 14/02/2025 12:18

Lyannaa · 14/02/2025 06:41

Shouting at your kids is abuse though.

I don't think you know what abuse is.

Househunter2025 · 14/02/2025 12:16

Notgivenuphope · 13/02/2025 23:07

Well I must be terrible. I bottle fed, sleep trained (not that it took much), went back to to work (and skipped in with delight), don't allow screens, don't allow the kids to dictate what they eat, I say no, I shower and poo alone, I make them shower, I tell them off if they're naughty, I insist on please and thank you.

But weirdly, they are happy, clean, healthy and polite. So being old fashioned must work?

Not criticising you personally but I don't think you can judge until they're adults. If they are 45, happy in life and career, and still wanting see you, you've done it right.

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