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Single mum 45k a year in south east but just scraping by?

214 replies

Plantball · 13/02/2025 20:05

There was a time I once thought a household income after tax of 45k meant a comfortable life. I am a single mum of two young kids in the south east. Rent alone is 18k of the money gone. I feel like I’m merely existing. Running a car, council tax, gas, electricity, food, kids clothes, shoes, clubs…

The money just doesn't go far. I know I am fortunate compared so many and I’m not pleading poverty. Just feeling very flat at never being able to better our life.

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 13/02/2025 23:53

Perhaps swimming lessons just arnt affordable right now with cost and petrol?

iamnotalemon · 13/02/2025 23:50

MidnightMeltdown · 13/02/2025 23:43

Swimming and kids clubs are a huge luxury. I grew up in a single parent family in the 80s/90s and there would never have been money for stuff like that.

Considering that you're only working part time and claiming UC, you seem pretty well off tbf.

@MidnightMeltdown

I have to agree! So many things are common now that are definitely a luxury in my view and then people wonder why they have no money.

MidnightMeltdown · 13/02/2025 23:43

Swimming and kids clubs are a huge luxury. I grew up in a single parent family in the 80s/90s and there would never have been money for stuff like that.

Considering that you're only working part time and claiming UC, you seem pretty well off tbf.

Blondeshavemorefun · 13/02/2025 23:31

£200 sees a lot for ct if a small place and on own. Do you not get the 25% discount

i know
some on uc get a discount as well for ct. check to see if you are eligible

mine was 200 now 150 as single parent

I get you want nice food but £125 is a lot for 1 a and 2c

Blondeshavemorefun · 13/02/2025 23:24

Loveduppenguin · 13/02/2025 23:07

400 per term for swimming seems very expensive/excessive are they private?

That’s what I pay. Well £200 for one child

works out £15per lesson. Usually 5 in a class v £10 a lesson and in a class

Kent is costly. I live there

least you get child maintenance from dad. I don’t

Hollyhedge · 13/02/2025 23:23

I live off something similar. Little slack. But I have quite a few one off costs to do with house maintenance. About to spend 700 on urgent issue and that totally throws it. Money goes nowhere now.

Loveduppenguin · 13/02/2025 23:07

400 per term for swimming seems very expensive/excessive are they private?

iamnotalemon · 13/02/2025 22:56

It sounds like a lot goes on bits here and there.

Obviously your rent is huge but you are on a decent income and should be able to manage.

Zanatdy · 13/02/2025 22:34

I’m on 66k in the south east, single parent and can’t afford to buy here. I have around 15 months until youngest of 3 finishes A levels and i’ve told my kids I am relocating back up north (one is there already) as I want to buy, and it’s so much cheaper up north, and I can easily change offices as I have a team up north. I have a few options where to move to, exciting times.

Plantball · 13/02/2025 22:33

£1500- £1700 is how much on average I manage to make around the school and childcare juggle. but obviously the increase in wage corresponds with the decrease in universal credit so it’s all relative. The examples I gave are just a rough figures as it essentially works out similar every month.

I also have to pay towards childcare during school holidays. Everytime I put a little aside it gets eaten up. £300 on fuel just goes. I’m in a village and swimming is a 30 min drive there and back. Work is a drive. Everything involves driving! I could move but we have a strong amazing network of friends here and I think I’d break if I left that.

I do spend extra on food but it’s literally our only luxury and i am a big believer in the impact of what you put in your body and your overall health. That £500 includes household stuff too. I don’t consider £125 a week a lot in regards to eating and washing products etc. We eat incredibly well. I don’t drink, have any hobbies or do anything else. I cook that’s it.

I don’t think 2k stretches far these days with all the bills and cost of raising children to have a reasonably decent childhood. Swimming alone (an essential skill) is £400 a term for both children

OP posts:
ToKittyornottoKitty · 13/02/2025 22:30

Porcuporpoise · 13/02/2025 22:26

But depending where you move, 10k a year less can still result in a better standard of living.

The SE is expensive, the options are accept it or move (we chose move).

You do have to be able to afford to move as well though. For example OP would need to save money for moving costs, deposit, minimum of a months rent, money to cover any gap in employment while moving. Many landlords would ask for 6 months rent up front or a guarantor from a single parent. OPs kids would have to move schools and potentially OP move jobs which isn’t as simple as ‘just move’. And if she could afford to save all that money she wouldn’t be complaining here in the first place.

Porcuporpoise · 13/02/2025 22:26

Bubblyb00b · 13/02/2025 21:19

I'm in the similar situation - moving out of London would either mean expensive commute or over 10k/ year less pay.

But depending where you move, 10k a year less can still result in a better standard of living.

The SE is expensive, the options are accept it or move (we chose move).

Whatisthisbs · 13/02/2025 22:24

TheHateIsNotGood · 13/02/2025 20:50

Nothing to add except you have my understanding and respect....just keep going and give any spare time you might ever get to 'recharging' your batteries. And one day, you will find that you're very slightly ahead of the storm.

Never compare your life to how others seem to have it; there's never a guarantee that they will never face similar difficulties and it hurts worse for the smug when it happens.

Keep going OP and allow yourself to be weak and weep at the end of a tough day. Women like you are why the world still turns round.

What a lovely post. I'm sure the OP found it more heartwarming than the ridiculous "Just move then" posts. I know I did

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 22:07

ToKittyornottoKitty · 13/02/2025 21:57

That’s why it’s not achievable for OP then unfortunately.

yes, I later realised is not just salary income but a combination of things and the rent is totally horrible thing. Shuddering here, a single mother with kids. Should be fairer

Loveduppenguin · 13/02/2025 22:01

Plantball · 13/02/2025 20:37

I think I am not being clear I am not earning through a job all that, it’s just what we have!

1.2k is universal credit
1.5k is wages
1k is child maintenance.

So if rent is 1.5k a month then you have 2.2k leftover, that should be ample to live on and save some. Could you list your outgoings so we could help you identify any overspending?

ToKittyornottoKitty · 13/02/2025 21:57

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 21:49

tens of thousands on the first place and we have been in the second for 10 years now and my husband was overpaying until he could. So good equity as well

That’s why it’s not achievable for OP then unfortunately.

potatopaws · 13/02/2025 21:53

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/02/2025 20:31

£45k after tax is a shit load

That was my response too! I think people skimmed over the ‘after tax’ part!

Splitting everything by 12, you have a monthly take home of approx £3750, rent is approx £1500 (agree that is criminal) but you do still have around £2250 left over, which is a lot of disposable income, even including bills?

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 21:49

ToKittyornottoKitty · 13/02/2025 21:39

How much of a deposit did you put on your house?

tens of thousands on the first place and we have been in the second for 10 years now and my husband was overpaying until he could. So good equity as well

Blue278 · 13/02/2025 21:46

A lot of your income is maintenance and benefits. Do you have a plan for when the children turn 18? Hopefully you’ll be able to work and earn more at that point.
It’s housing isn’t it? Makes it impossible to do anything other than cope. Thanks goodness your children’s father at least pays decent maintenance. I think UC doesn’t take that into account so you’d be managing on 1000 less every month - or most likely not managing.
Your income is actually very high though at the equivalent of a 70k salary.

babiesinthesnowflakes · 13/02/2025 21:41

£1500 a month salary? Is that full time?

ToKittyornottoKitty · 13/02/2025 21:39

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 21:32

You need a mortgage on a small place , even if it is a 2 bed flat, so the crazy rent stops. We run 1 small car, careful how many kids activities.

Mortgage here is only 700 pounds

How much of a deposit did you put on your house?

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 21:36

It is all tied to my husband's salary which is less than yours, really less. I work part time and save all my money, sometimes I work 35 h a week, sometimes just 10

We do have holidays and when something needs replacing, replace it. My husband lost his savings due to the cost of living crisis but I have mine and they are not a secret. But really we do not make combined more than 30 000 smth and we spend a lot on food also.

Buy somewhere if you can....rents are horrible affair

AnotherDayinTime · 13/02/2025 21:32

Plantball · 13/02/2025 21:04

Please let me know how?!

You need a mortgage on a small place , even if it is a 2 bed flat, so the crazy rent stops. We run 1 small car, careful how many kids activities.

Mortgage here is only 700 pounds

BooomShakeTheRoom · 13/02/2025 21:28

The only way to live a comfortable life on an average-good salary now is to have multiple earners. I’m comfortable but only because my husband earns well, if it was just me, I’d be very tight indeed.

Do you have any family you could live with for a while (in a bigger place) to share costs?

Ultimately, whilst times are tight, it won’t last forever. You’re doing an amazing job raising two children, keep your chin up. You should be proud of all you’re accomplishing.

Alexahelp · 13/02/2025 21:21

GRCP · 13/02/2025 21:15

Just an observation to aim to help...

£300 on fuel seems very high. I drive 25 miles per day and spend less than £100 a month. Is your car costing more than it would if you traded it in for a more economical one?

£500 on food also seems very high. We spend £400 a month and there are 4 of us. Could you cut back there, for example a cheaper supermarket?

Also I would cancel contents insurance and pay it into an easy access savings account instead. You can easily get 3.5% at the moment.

Don’t cancel contents insurance!! It’ll cost thousands if you have a fire and have to replace everything.

Agree with the rest, there must be ways to save on those food and fuel bills.

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