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To expect my reception child to have a qualified teacher?

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MaryBeardy · 13/02/2025 19:44

DS is in reception. I was told by another mum his teacher has been off for a few days. I asked DS who was teaching him and he said the two teaching assistants that help across reception and occasionally a teacher from a different class. Should there not be a qualified teacher present at all times (or at the very least one in training that has some supervision)? I’m feeling a bit annoyed this hasn’t been communicated by the school but don’t know if I’m being unreasonable. TIA

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Crazycatlady79 · 14/02/2025 03:34

I'd revise your attitude towards TAs, if I were you.
The TAs that have worked with my daughters - both AuDHD - in their mainstream primary school have been absolutely amazing.
Twin 2 has 1-1 with a mainstream TA and, in all her years (she's in Year 2), it's been available TAs and LSAs who have taught her the curriculum and bridged any gaps.
I may be out of turn in assuming this, but sounds like you don-t have much visibility around your child's teaching staff, if another parent had to tell you the teacher was off.

lnks · 14/02/2025 03:05

LilacBroccoli · 14/02/2025 01:17

Have you ever thought of training as a teacher to get better pay?

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@LilacBroccoli

Lots of TA’s don’t want to be teachers. Honestly, the pay really isn’t good for what they do. I was a TA until a few years ago and every single one of my teacher friends have left the profession.

There’s zero work life balance and a total lack of support. Some have become supply teachers and find it’s much easier and less stressful, but others have the left the profession all together.

everychildmatters · 14/02/2025 01:22

Soon it will be commonplace for unqualified teachers to be teaching classes ft - it's been going that way for some time. And also long-term cover by TAs. They're incredibly cheap.
But most parents seem happy with this?

LilacBroccoli · 14/02/2025 01:17

Looloolullabelle · 13/02/2025 21:01

I’m a TA and honestly, some of the supply teachers we get are very poor. I can do a much better job myself with the other TA. Our teacher was off recently and it was much easier and less disruptive for the kids to have someone there who knew what the work was and could just carry it on. I had a supply for one day and he was horrendous.

Have you ever thought of training as a teacher to get better pay?

maternitylleave102 · 14/02/2025 01:07

That's nothing. I did work experience in a primary school in 1997, the teacher called in sick and I took care of the class for 2 days on my own. Granted the head would pop his head in with worksheets.

I was 14/15.

Jo1976x · 13/02/2025 22:53

Most likely this will be a Level 3 Higher Level TA who can teach a class in the teachers absence, it will be absolutely fine!

GravyBoatWars · 13/02/2025 22:52

noblegiraffe · 13/02/2025 22:27

If TAs wanted to be teachers then they would train to be teachers.

I've heard pretty often on here that TAs are being increasingly used to teach full classes with no support when that is not their job.

Wonder why we are also struggling to recruit TAs when they can earn more at Aldi?

I don't know how any of this addresses what I've said or OP's specific scenario.

TA's working as a team to cover a the teacher they regularly TA for over a few days of illness (what this thread is about) is not remotely the same as "TA's being used to teach full classes with no support." The latter is an actual problem in our education system right now, but conflating it with what OP is asking about is silly and not productive.

howshouldibehave · 13/02/2025 22:31

Allswellthatendswelll · 13/02/2025 20:10

It will be an HLTA who is qualified to cover (they are not paid nearly enough imo). Schools only really get supply for long term now as they have so little money. It's also much less disruptive for the children.

We don't have any HLTAs, many schools don't. We have TAs who cover classes when a class teacher is absent.

crumblingschools · 13/02/2025 22:30

@Porcuporpoise there would be supply teachers available and schools could afford them!

Porcuporpoise · 13/02/2025 22:29

witwatwoo · 13/02/2025 19:57

Welcome to the teacher recruitment and retention crisis

In what way? Did teachers not get sick in the old days?

noblegiraffe · 13/02/2025 22:27

GravyBoatWars · 13/02/2025 20:50

No. There are two separate things being said repeatedly in this thread:

  1. For short-term occasional absences where whoever covers is implementing plans written by the regular qualified teacher, having someone familiar with the students, the classroom, and the teacher's lessons is more valuable at that age than formal qualifications. If we could have TA's and cover staff who were familiar with the students, the classroom, and the teacher's lessons AND qualified that would be great, but that's not remotely feasible right now.

  2. We have a widespread, critical teacher shortage and horrifically inadequate budget for employing them that needs to be addressed upstream at the national level. When allocating what is unfortunately a scarce resource, using qualified teachers for short-term illness coverage when TAs are able to do it is and should not be a priority. The systemic issues need to be addressed, but in the meantime schools have to figure out how to function best with the resources they have, and using qualified teachers to cover a few days of illness would be absurd when other classes are being left without qualified teachers for months on end.

If TAs wanted to be teachers then they would train to be teachers.

I've heard pretty often on here that TAs are being increasingly used to teach full classes with no support when that is not their job.

Wonder why we are also struggling to recruit TAs when they can earn more at Aldi?

OwlInTheOak · 13/02/2025 22:24

TAs are generally as good as class teachers in primary. Especially in key stage 1.

napody · 13/02/2025 22:22

SmallChanges3 · 13/02/2025 20:26

Don't forget academy schools can and do employ many unqualified teachers for subjects in secondary as it is cheaper for them.

My sympathies to the teacher who is off sick and sending in cover work and the TA who is barely getting minimum wage covering a lesson(s).

Thank you. The first post to bring up that the TA is being exploited.

converseandjeans · 13/02/2025 22:20

@MaryBeardy

Ok thank you. I’ll rein in my annoyance. It’s an eye-opener.

Have you not heard that there is a teacher retention issue? You only need to look on here to see how little people think of teachers & this is probably indicative of society as a whole. Add into that long hours & moderate pay.

They are actually better off I imagine with TAs they know than a random supply. Plus it saves the school money which they can spend on something else.

Justploddingonandon · 13/02/2025 21:52

For a few days a familiar TA is probably better than an unfamiliar supply teacher. Also at DD's school they have a TA who is a qualified teacher who does a lot of covering classes ( I have no idea how she is happy with this or if she gets paid extra).

notnorman · 13/02/2025 21:44

crumblingschools · 13/02/2025 20:10

Schools can have insurance to cover cost of supply teacher but that only kicks in after 10 days. So schools will make do unless long term sick

My last school couldn't afford this insurance so didn't have it.

LyndaSnellsSniff · 13/02/2025 21:35

noblegiraffe · 13/02/2025 21:28

Worth noting that the qualified teacher would normally have a TA to support them, but if the TA is now teaching the class, who is supporting them?

Excellent point. A TA will be pulled from elsewhere thus passing the problem down the line.

noblegiraffe · 13/02/2025 21:28

Worth noting that the qualified teacher would normally have a TA to support them, but if the TA is now teaching the class, who is supporting them?

EarsLikeAFennecFox · 13/02/2025 21:28

I was a TA for 8 years, this is one reason I quit, I was constantly expected to cover lessons, sometimes for weeks at a time (including a smaller class without any teacher for the whole of the covid lockdown) on £11.40 an hour. The head argued it was better for the pupils to have an adult that knew them well, and knew how the class worked, than constant substitute teachers. In actuality it was a cost cutting measure because schools have zero money.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 13/02/2025 21:27

Some classes are taught permanently by non qualified teachers. I'd not be moaning about it for a few days

LyndaSnellsSniff · 13/02/2025 21:26

It's not great. Fingers crossed it's short term for all involved. I'm a TA in year 4. I covered my class teacher's absence twice this week. This has included a PE lesson (for which I was given zero lesson plan), teaching maths, English and RE plus marking. I also have to make sure the children went home safely at the end of the day with the correct adult. Our class has 3 EAL children, 5 with EHCPs and 2 children with ADHD traits (undiagnosed).

For doing this I will have earned less than £10 extra in my next pay slip.

I'm the cheap option because the supply budget has already been spent.

savoycabbage · 13/02/2025 21:15

Also, two TAs being available to cover rather than being one to ones is unusual now. There's a lot of reception classes that don't have a TA.

savoycabbage · 13/02/2025 21:13

I'm a supply teacher, there's so much work it's ridiculous. I'm booked up already all the way until the Easter holidays because schools know that there is a shortage. Getting people at the last minute to cover sickness is hard.

I went in to a year two class last week and they had had a supply teacher the day before who didn't speak English. I've also turned up for a day to find the lunchtime supervisor had taken the class on her own the day before because itbwas either that or send all of the children home.

itispersonal · 13/02/2025 21:09

@Eyerollexpert thanks. I know how it works I've been a supply teacher!
But sometimes they are just a body for numbers than an actual help!

It's not unprofessional to say someone was useless, stood back and let a level 2 TA take the lead, when the supply is being paid as a teacher to take charge!

MrsR87 · 13/02/2025 21:02

ridl14 · 13/02/2025 20:44

Also sometimes you genuinely can't get people in even when you try! I've just gone on mat leave as a full time secondary teacher and I was absolutely shocked at the poor quality of who applied for my cover. One qualified teacher who was poor at teaching and subject knowledge and one unqualified teacher with good subject knowledge but crap at teaching and seemed to have a temper.

If it's only for a few days they'll be absolutely fine - I think it's part of the crisis in teaching that people have been ringing alarm bells over, lots of good teachers now retiring or leaving the profession and aren't getting replaced. Even the new cohorts of trainees are basically getting waved through because we need boots on the ground (anecdotally from the trainees we've had, tiny numbers of trainees on our local PGCE course and the uni bending over backwards to pass them even where they're not up to scratch or call in sick at the drop of a hat)

Yes, it’s so worrying about the lack of applicants for PGCE places at the minute. I trained in 2010 in secondary MFL and the process was really rigorous with only 30 spaces available and around 100 applicants. People were turned down at the interview stage, people were failed mid year. Now, the same uni and course can’t even muster 20 applicants. I’ve been involved in training a few during the past few years and you’re right about the universities not wanting to fail any of them - it’s sad for the trainee teachers because they are being set up to fail.