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To think it is long overdue that we brought in dog licencing

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Eurghh · 13/02/2025 12:12

This is not a dog-bashing thread.

Dog poo is a massive issue in the UK - I agree some areas are worse than others, but i have lived in various places, holidayed all over, and it really is pretty bad pretty much everywhere. This country is already on its knees with paying for services out of the public fund, but SOMETHING has to be done about the huge number of people who let their dogs mess on the ground for the rest of us to contend with.

I think we need to bring back licences, which will pay for:

  • dog wardens to regularly patrol problem areas, and issue fines
  • a nightly hose down of pavements in problem areas and also all around pavements leading to schools
  • cctv to identify people who don't pick up after their dogs
  • dna database

All of this needs to be funded by dog licences.

YABU - the system is fine as it is
YANBU - please bring in licences for dog owners

Atttached to show a photo I took today which prompted me to write this, this quantity of poo is common round here, and I live in a naice well-to-do London borough.

To think it is long overdue that we brought in dog licencing
OP posts:
Q2C4 · 13/02/2025 14:28

How would you suggest the licences are policed?

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/02/2025 14:24

CornishTickler · 13/02/2025 14:17

But we live in a much more technological age now, so this could be easily enforceable.

Essentially, every Vet would need to include the licence number on the record and report ones that don't have one. Spot checks and on the spot fines would also work. So licences would need to be attached to collers.

Any reports of dangerous dogs or dog related incidents could involve license checks, just like car insurance.

This could be easily inforced through current channels and could be very lucrative in raising revenue.

Definitely overdue.

This system already exists.
We have microchips, which means there is already a register of dogs. The chip number is also on the dog's record at the vets. They are already a legal reuirement. It is also a legal requirement for dog's to have a tag with owner details on.
Who will be carrying out spot checks?

Verv · 13/02/2025 14:18

I fully support dog licencing as an owner, for the benefit of the dogs, not for the benefit of mumsnetters who think that a country on the brink of fucking recession is going to use the additional funds to employ pavement washers.

What planet.

HellsAngel81 · 13/02/2025 14:17

Actually, as a dog lover and owner, I fully support the idea of a dog licence (as well as mandatory pet health insurance). Too many people take on ownership of a dog, without considering the care and costs that come with being a responsible owner.

Having said that, human shit, piss, vomit and phlegmn is more of an issue in my area - joys of living next to a not-so-nice pub! Actually, pubs should pay more for their licences (due to the antisocial behaviours of their patrons)!

CornishTickler · 13/02/2025 14:17

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/02/2025 14:12

Back when dog licenses were around, only half of dog owners had one anyway.

But we live in a much more technological age now, so this could be easily enforceable.

Essentially, every Vet would need to include the licence number on the record and report ones that don't have one. Spot checks and on the spot fines would also work. So licences would need to be attached to collers.

Any reports of dangerous dogs or dog related incidents could involve license checks, just like car insurance.

This could be easily inforced through current channels and could be very lucrative in raising revenue.

Definitely overdue.

Balloonhearts · 13/02/2025 14:14

How is a dog licence going to pay for all that? It's physically impossible.

How many schools in your local area? I have 10. It would have to cover at least two people on unsociable hours wage, equipment for hosing, the cost of water, every single night on every street leading to those 10 schools. And that's just in the space of one little town.

Then dog wardens.

Cameras on every street.

People to review those thousands of hours of camera footage. As for a DNA database 😂 We can't even fund forensics for actual crimes in many cases! Yet you think a dog licence would pay for forensic analysis of dog shit?

It sounds good to the extremely naive but you're clueless to the actual mammoth cost of a service like that.

Plus who is going to enforce it? Police? They can't even deal with crime, never mind anything else.

All that would happen, even if it was physically achievable, is the responsible owners who already clean up after their dogs will be paying through the nose and the arseholes who don't care will just ignore it and the cost of trying to enforce it with said arseholes will come back on those already actually paying, who were never the problem to begin with.

TalkingShop · 13/02/2025 14:12

We 100% need this here. The lockdown labradors are a serious problem around children.

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/02/2025 14:12

taxguru · 13/02/2025 14:11

Which is why you need decent enforcement. Fining people who don't have licences will pay for the wardens and enforcement costs.

Back when dog licenses were around, only half of dog owners had one anyway.

taxguru · 13/02/2025 14:11

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/02/2025 14:04

But the people who are irresponsible and don't care, wont be the ones that are getting licenses.

Which is why you need decent enforcement. Fining people who don't have licences will pay for the wardens and enforcement costs.

RandomUsernameHere · 13/02/2025 14:08

Couldn't agree more.

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/02/2025 14:04

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/02/2025 14:01

100% agree.

Dog ownership is a privilege and not a right.

It costs tax payers (in terms of court time, defence lawyers) and charities so much more to get really unsuitable dog owners banned than any of this could ever cost. And I mean awful neglectful or cruel owners - they don’t even bother with just crap ones.

This is something that anyone who actually cares about dogs should support.

But the people who are irresponsible and don't care, wont be the ones that are getting licenses.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/02/2025 14:01

100% agree.

Dog ownership is a privilege and not a right.

It costs tax payers (in terms of court time, defence lawyers) and charities so much more to get really unsuitable dog owners banned than any of this could ever cost. And I mean awful neglectful or cruel owners - they don’t even bother with just crap ones.

This is something that anyone who actually cares about dogs should support.

VickyEadieofThigh · 13/02/2025 13:59

DdraigGoch · 13/02/2025 13:36

It shouldn't even be about paying for cleanup. If there were a DNA database it would be much easier to enforce fines against those who fail to pick up. This would act as a deterrent.

Who's picking up the samples and sending them off for testing? Who's doing the DNA profiling in the first place?

tropicalroses · 13/02/2025 13:58

As a single woman with a dog I already pay well over the odds on things like council tax. This would just be another penalty for me. If there are two adults in a house you pay 50% of the cost each, whereas with my "discount" I still have to pay 75%.

I do feel I pay far more than my fair share towards society already.

VickyEadieofThigh · 13/02/2025 13:57

helpfulperson · 13/02/2025 13:16

I think we should have licensing for all pets. That might reduce the issues rescues are having to deal with. And compulsory microchips for dogs and cats and maybe others.

It's already compulsory to microchip these animals. Guess who gets it done and who doesn't get it done?

YeOldeGreyhound · 13/02/2025 13:56

It wont do anything. Responsible owners already pick up after their dog. Irresponsible owners don't, and they will not be the type to get a license if they came in.
Seizing dogs and destroying them seems very drastic. The dogs will have done nothing wrong, and not a danger to society.
As to DNA testing poo. What happens if a dog manages to escape, and poos whilst it is out on the run? What about people who are walking someone else's dog for them?

LisaD1 · 13/02/2025 13:52

When i was a child we did have a dog licence system. The same type of people ignored that as would ignore it again. I don’t know the answer but agree something should be done to deal with irresponsible owners.

AdoraBell · 13/02/2025 13:49

Dog licenses were in the 70’s, I remember my late father renewing the license every year. We could bring them back.

Choofh · 13/02/2025 13:49

Onleemoi · 13/02/2025 13:44

It’s never cats on here. Or smokers and their 27 billion discarded cigarette butts each year (each one taking around 12 years to degrade). Or laughing gas canisters, graffiti, vandalism. Just dogs.

Cigarettes are already taxed. Personally litter bothers me as much as dog mess.

Choofh · 13/02/2025 13:47

DinoLil · 13/02/2025 13:26

So, are we adding in a cat license with this? Cats who roam and shit all over your garden. Are you going to add in provision for hosing down gardens every night?

Cats don't cause a public nuisance. They don't attack people or foul in the street. Many things cause private nuisance but that's a different issue.

LostFuse · 13/02/2025 13:45

IBloodyLoveMyBlanket · 13/02/2025 12:51

If you don't pay car tax the car gets impounded, and then if you don't pay the release fine the car gets destroyed. The same could work for dogs.

It's not the dogs fault the owner doesn't have a license (if this were to come in) so putting the dog down - "destroying it" is a bit drastic.

Choofh · 13/02/2025 13:44

I completely agree with you OP. As a society we have to pay to clean up dog mess and deal with the other issues associated with dogs. That money can either come from everyone's taxes or it can come directly from dog-owners. I think the latter is the fairest way, because the general public do not benefit from people owning dogs.

Onleemoi · 13/02/2025 13:44

It’s never cats on here. Or smokers and their 27 billion discarded cigarette butts each year (each one taking around 12 years to degrade). Or laughing gas canisters, graffiti, vandalism. Just dogs.

Anotherparkingthread · 13/02/2025 13:37

DinoLil · 13/02/2025 13:26

So, are we adding in a cat license with this? Cats who roam and shit all over your garden. Are you going to add in provision for hosing down gardens every night?

Agreed. What about kid licensing? Statistically you're way more likely to be attacked by a man than a dog. Somebody raised them, better sort that out. It means only people with children need to pay education taxes as well. Perhaps, as we are heading towards privatisation with regards to medical care it could roll that in too. If people can't afford it we will take them off them and send them to work houses like it's 1880 😂

DdraigGoch · 13/02/2025 13:36

nightmarepickle2025 · 13/02/2025 12:37

Totally agree, high time those who have dogs pay for the social cost of cleaning up after them (and I am a dog owner, it’s a choice, I do pick up but am sick of crap smearwd streets because of those that don’t).

It shouldn't even be about paying for cleanup. If there were a DNA database it would be much easier to enforce fines against those who fail to pick up. This would act as a deterrent.

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