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To be annoyed that vegan options have replaced vegetarian?

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Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 09:34

It's only a silly gripe in the grand scheme of things but it's bloody annoying.

I've been a vegetarian my whole life but since veganism has become more popular and more and more people are becoming part of the movement (and good on them!) it's like restaurants, cafes and hotels have skipped adding vegetarian options and thought "well vegan options covers both so we'll just add a few of those"

No! I am not vegan. I am vegetarian. I still want my eggs, my cream, my cheese, my butter. I want a stilton and broccoli bake, not a grilled bit of cauliflower!

Afternoon tea (I'm a fan and have one as often as I can) is the worst for it. There's an ordinary menu and then there's a vegan menu and that's it. You order one or the other. I don't want chicken or fish sandwiches but I sure as hell want my scones with proper clotted cream! So I have to be specific about the sandwiches and say I want some from one menu and some from the other. Bloody annoying.

Any other veggies feel the same?

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Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 18:05

Oakcupboard · 13/02/2025 17:47

What I personally hate about it is the fake meat - I don’t want anything that looks like or tastes like meat. They usually replace proper veggie burgers now. Why not have both

And they often don't specify on the menu what that burger is, so I have to ask them, is the burger a fake meat burger or a proper veggie one with vegetables in it?
50% of the time I will get blank stares 😂

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HumerousHumous · 13/02/2025 18:03

YANBU op. I also hate that veggie food has all but disappeared.

I have just done a little research on places local to me. The two gastro pubs have nothing vegetarian as a main course although they do offer cheese toasties (gee thanks). One of them is offering only a beyond meat burger.

There is a new local self described ‘authentic Italian’ and the menu is all vegetarian but every vegetarian single dish, bar one, has Parmesan cheese in it or on it.. Confused veggies had to deal with that crap years ago, thought that had gone away…

Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 17:59

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 13/02/2025 13:10

YABU.
Vegan is much more inclusive than vegetarian.
It's suitable for people with milk and egg allergies who can't usually have anything on the menu (as an allergy sufferer vegan afternoon teas are a brilliant creation!)
No clotted cream or lashings of butter on sandwiches. You get cake too. ❤️
Vegetarians can eat vegan too.
If they don't want to, that's just their fussiness.
Take a block of grated cheese in your handbag and whap it on your burger.
Even meat eaters can eat vegan!
Much rather there were vegan options than vegetarian ones available.

Hmm... Just my fusiness eh?

The food I've eaten my entire life is disappearing in favour of people who eat less of a variety of foods than I do and that's due to MY fussiness, is it?

And why the bloody hell should I be paying to eat out but taking stuff with me in my handbag to make the food I've paid for taste nice?!

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Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 17:47

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 13/02/2025 12:45

Seems fair enough to be honest, 2 options for vegans (that everybody else could eat) + 2 options for vegetarians.
You seem to resent that some options are vegetarian but not vegan, but that is exactly the point of this thread: vegan options either contain fake meat/cheese/etc or as not as nice.

I think two vegetarian options and two vegan options on a menu that has, say ten options overall is very reasonable.
That means most of the population have ten options, a smaller part have four options and the smallest group has two.
I can get on board with that!

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Oakcupboard · 13/02/2025 17:47

What I personally hate about it is the fake meat - I don’t want anything that looks like or tastes like meat. They usually replace proper veggie burgers now. Why not have both

PrivacyScreen · 13/02/2025 17:44

Yes, I have found vegetarian options vanishing in favour of vegan ones. I hate it and get very cross.

Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 17:40

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 13/02/2025 12:44

That does sound odd, but maybe they have strictly separate parts of the kitchen for general food prep and for vegan food prep - also different fridges.

Most vegans will expect things to be kept completely separate in the kitchen, so that's probably exactly what they do.

I know they could just get the burger from the vegan side and then take it to the omni side, but it could get confusing in a busy kitchen - especially if they have trainees who are still learning.

Whilst it seems common sense to fulfil your request, some vegans would be horrified and complain if they saw/heard of a dish labelled as vegan being 'contaminated' with non-vegan food. They may not have overheard your conversation about knowing and accepting that the cheese isn't vegan.

There are elements of the vegan lobby that are militant and will make a huge fuss if they think there's a risk of vegan food not being compliant. One FB post with a long-range photo from somebody saying "I was in Marco's in the high street and this guy ordered the vegan burger - but it came with standard cheese in it! I'll never eat there again and I recommend that all vegans avoid it like the plague!" - the damage that could do to their business; especially when other people with allergies and different preferences hear the word and think the place don't care and obviously can't be trusted at all.

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I was once told in a Tesco cafe that they couldn't give me butter for my toast because it was a vegan meal so they're not allowed to give butter to put with it. I can't even remembered what I had on my toast, it must have been avacado or something.
What's really bizarre about that though is it's a Tesco cafe - the butter comes in foil packets! How can it contaminate anything? In the end I had to buy some packets of butter for 35p or something stupid. Every other breakfast involving toast just comes with butter!!

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PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/02/2025 17:32

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 17:07

We used to go there for a burger but they stopped doing any vegetarian ones and only had vegan options! DH wants CHEESE on his burger! GBK used to do a nice portobello mushroom one but not any more. Not even halloumi.

I've just looked on the Deliveroo app and my local GBK does either a bean patty or a beyond burger and it let me add either American or cheddar cheese. No halloumi though unfortunately

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 13/02/2025 17:27

Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 17:00

I am not omnivore. I cannot digest meat or fish.

But that doesn't stop humans in general being omnivores.

It's still true to say that humans are a bipedal species - even though some people only have one leg or none at all.

SerendipityJane · 13/02/2025 17:21

Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 16:26

As a lifelong veggie I absolutely do not want fake meat! Never have!

I want those burgers made out of vegetables you describe, or I want a bean burger. Preferably with some nice melted cheddar on top. I don't want crappy fake meat vegan burgers, designed for people that used to eat meat.

Whatever happened to BKs spicy beanburger ?

MadKittenWoman · 13/02/2025 17:21

Luckily, I live in a city with great vegetarian food. However, I have noticed this occasionally in other places. Vegan 'cheese' makes me ill, so in some paces which are more adaptable I can ask for real cheese, cream, and butter instead.

The worst was when we went for a very special but expensive meal somewhere in the Canary Islands. There were 3 set menus: Vegan, Fish and Meat-based. We spent ages arranging if we could cherry pick from each menu, as the fish and meat menus had the better (vegetarian) starters and desserts.

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 13/02/2025 17:20

I agree that they should be mindful of those who will only eat that; but to an omnivore (as opposed to a carnivorous animal), it's all just food that they eat, so they aren't necessarily seeking to deprive you.

When I was little, the only vegetable I would eat was carrots, so when we ate out, my Mum & Dad would swap their peas/cabbage/etc. with me, so that I could have all of the carrots; but others eating at the same time, when there were large serving dishes, wouldn't have known or thought that, if they liked the look of the carrots and went heavy on them, that meant that I wouldn't have had any veg - even though they had still left plenty of veg.

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 17:07

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/02/2025 17:02

No idea about GBK as I only go there for a burger but I know places like Prezzo have a lot of options. Sadly my local one closed as they were always happy to tweak dishes for me.

We used to go there for a burger but they stopped doing any vegetarian ones and only had vegan options! DH wants CHEESE on his burger! GBK used to do a nice portobello mushroom one but not any more. Not even halloumi.

HeCharters · 13/02/2025 17:02

SulkySeagull · 13/02/2025 14:56

@Rainbow1901 people don’t eat meat for ethical reasons, not because of the taste

Not this one.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/02/2025 17:02

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 16:49

Some of the chains are the worst for not having a vegetarian option - the last time I looked GBK being one such.

It just means more trailing around trying to find somewhere to eat. In 2025 it’s ludicrous.

No idea about GBK as I only go there for a burger but I know places like Prezzo have a lot of options. Sadly my local one closed as they were always happy to tweak dishes for me.

Sacredhandbag · 13/02/2025 17:00

FigTreeInEurope · 13/02/2025 12:41

You can't change the scientific classification of mammals. All humans are onmivores, you could never touch meat your whole life, and you'd still be an omnivore.

I am not omnivore. I cannot digest meat or fish.

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ExercicenformedeZ · 13/02/2025 16:59

LookSerious · 13/02/2025 15:57

I’ve been vegan for over 20 years and I’ve never been anaemia, even in pregnancy. If you eat a well balanced diet and don’t have underlying medical issues, there’s no reason to be lacking iron as a vegan. Eating red meat once a week won’t do much anyway so that seems an odd choice. An average steak wouldn’t even provide one days iron requirements. It seems the person you knew was lacking in knowledge about nutrition which may have been why she was low in iron and not eating enough iron rich foods,

People's bodies are different. I would be so ill on a vegan diet. Fair play to you if you weren't, but one of the most annoying things about some vegans is how they try to insist that veganism is healthier or even as healthy as being an omnivore. Unless you have a lot of time to dedicate to getting the balance of vitamins just right, it is a challenge to get a properly balanced diet if you are relying solely on plants. Which is fine, but what isn't fine is the sort of militant vegan who would like to ban meat and dairy.

Kingsleadhat · 13/02/2025 16:57

Last pub meal I had the vegan option was vegetarian minus cheese , sauce and anything else that made it taste of anything. I basically had a plate of beetroot. This is not at all uncommon

user2848502016 · 13/02/2025 16:56

YANBU, my DD is vegetarian and usually orders a veggie burger if we eat out but these days they're usually vegan so come with vile vegan cheese!

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 16:49

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/02/2025 16:33

Well exactly. Maybe people should just stop going to restaurants that offer such limited options. Although I prefer independent restaurants at least the chains seem to cater for different choices.

Some of the chains are the worst for not having a vegetarian option - the last time I looked GBK being one such.

It just means more trailing around trying to find somewhere to eat. In 2025 it’s ludicrous.

alittlebitofcake · 13/02/2025 16:48

I'm vegan and don't like the new trend of all the fake meat - I do not want a fake hoisin duck sandwich! I've never eaten real duck.

As for the vegan options taking over you're probably right apart from puddings- I find loads of vegan mains but then no puddings!!

80smonster · 13/02/2025 16:42

This is so true. I’ve been a vegetarian since I was 7 years old, I’m 44. The rise of supposed Veganism has cannibalised Vegetarian cuisine. Restaurants are too lazy or can’t afford to provide options for both, so it’s assumed Vegetarians want to eat vegan food. Which personally I hate. Plant-based burgers - which taste like boiled erasers - are the scourge of modern food. Urgh.

Gettingbysomehow · 13/02/2025 16:40

Don't even talk about that abomination a cauliflower steak 😒 revolting. It only improves with the addition of a cream and cheese sauce.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 13/02/2025 16:33

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 16:26

So what about vegetarians who have the same? Looks like plenty of restaurants aren’t bothered about them.

Well exactly. Maybe people should just stop going to restaurants that offer such limited options. Although I prefer independent restaurants at least the chains seem to cater for different choices.

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 16:28

LookSerious · 13/02/2025 15:57

I’ve been vegan for over 20 years and I’ve never been anaemia, even in pregnancy. If you eat a well balanced diet and don’t have underlying medical issues, there’s no reason to be lacking iron as a vegan. Eating red meat once a week won’t do much anyway so that seems an odd choice. An average steak wouldn’t even provide one days iron requirements. It seems the person you knew was lacking in knowledge about nutrition which may have been why she was low in iron and not eating enough iron rich foods,

I doubt that and as far as I’m aware she’s under medical supervision (in another country). It may have happened when she hit the menopause, it was in the last couple of years and she’s mid 50s.