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To be hurt and annoyed at being dropped by the BBC?

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Ladyof2025 · 12/02/2025 18:14

BBC contacted me asking me to speak on camera about an aspect of local history I happen to know a bit about. I agreed and spent the next few days brushing up on the facts and then writing and rewriting a script and reading it out loud again and again until I knew it by heart and could speak confidently to camera as though I'd never said it before.

I do not have a pretty face, and am in my 60s and rather podgy, but I went to the trouble of going through my wardrobe for the perfect outfit that flattered my podginess, and had my hair cut specially and put on some make up, so I could be the best possible version of me that I could.

The production team visited, took me to the site and filmed me speaking. I did it smoothly and confidently and was glad that I had put in all the rehearsal so I came across as knowledgeable, professional and confident of my material. They said my performance was perfect, thanked me profusely and left.

After about a week they rang me to say that due to time and space issues the section of the programme that featured my input had been dropped. I felt absolutely gutted, not because I want to see myself on TV but because I had used up a lot of my valuable free time for several days preparing and rehearsing for it (for no fee I should add).

A few months later the programme I was dropped from came on TV and to my utter astonishment an attractive, slim young lady appeared, at the same site I was filmed at, and she spoke the exact words I had written and rehearsed! I nearly fell off my chair - the absolute bloody cheek of dropping ME but stealing the script that I had written. Thinking about it, I realised that they wanted my expert input, but not my saggy face or ample figure.

AIBU to be hurt and angry?

OP posts:
Katisha · 21/02/2025 11:39

User14March · 21/02/2025 11:35

A good Producer would have called to thank & explain re: a significant contributor especially if unused.

I agree, which is why I would prefer the OP contact them, as they may well need to learn this.

User14March · 21/02/2025 11:35

A good Producer would have called to thank & explain re: a significant contributor especially if unused.

Katisha · 21/02/2025 11:11

You are missing the point asking for scripts and programme links and even questioning motivation.
As several TV producers on this thread have tried to explain, people get dropped all the time for various reasons and it wasn't a statement about the looks or expertise of the OP.
In this case the most likely reason would be overly formal delivery but as none of us are the producer in question, who was making a decision not necessarily based on criteria mumsnetters might expect, we will never know. Its not an exact science

As I keep saying, OP would be best contacting the people who booked her if she wants to take it further.
Nobody on here will be able to replicate the factors leading to the individual producers decision.

MasterBeth · 20/02/2025 23:33

With every respect, your first post said "she spoke the exact words I had written and rehearsed."

And your follow-up says "not every single word was exactly the same.

You were, at least, exaggerating in the first post.

You're now suggesting that the blue van you mentioned may not have been a blue van, and that the details you have shared don't matter.

It's not a case of trust. I have no doubt of your feelings about the events. I have no doubt that someone else spoke the list of names that you had discovered in the same order that you had. The question you asked, however, was "Am I being unreasonable to be hurt and annoyed at being dropped by the BBC?"

The answer can only be "it depends on the circumstances." Unless we know the circumstances, it's unclear. Showing us the difference between your script and the finished programme would clear up the circumstances and wouldn't reveal your name.

How much of your "script" did this other woman repeat? Who was she? How was she credited on the programme? What other role did she serve on camera? Was she working for the BBC or an independent prodco?

Convolvulus · 20/02/2025 23:22

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 19:45

omg do you people never give up?

I did not "find a list of relevant names". Why can't you trust me that I KNOW they cannot possibly have found those names, and most especially not in the precise order that they were recited.

It's like you are trying to force me to name the names, name the location, and dox myself, so that people can go back through my previous posts and laugh at me, knowing exactly who I am and where I live. You are anon, why can't I be?

People find it difficult to understand because you haven't explained how you could possibly know for certain that no-one else is capable of doing the same research you did, or coming across the same information? Fair enough if it was a source that absolutely no-one else had access to, but you aren\t saying that. You could surely give some explanation without revealing anything personal about yourself?

MasterBeth · 20/02/2025 23:01

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 18:20

The POINT of my OP was MY FEELINGS at the way I have been treated. The details don't matter. It doesn't matter if it was a blue van or a red car or an ice-cream van - the point was to make it clear that the same vehicle was in the same place when the other lady was filmed.

Had I wanted to "out" myself and expose which program it was I would have done so in my first post.

It's absolutely shocking that you are conducting a witch-hunt in an attempt to publicly dox me for the "crime" of being miffed at being dropped.

When you have my name do you intend to post it on here? Would you like the same done to you?

Disgusting.

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How would anyone find your name if you were dropped from the programme? Finding the programme will not reveal your name. That's the whole point.

beenonthebox · 19/02/2025 23:29

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 22:36

I’ve only just joined the thread actually. I found the attitude and rudeness spewed at me by OP for asking a simple question unnecessary and responded to her attack on me. Call that odd or fixated it whatever you like. Well done you eh? 👍

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It was an exceptionally rude and unwarranted reply from the OP. The more this goes on, the more I can see how deeply affected the OP is by what happened with the piece to camera, and her not being used in the way she thought she would be.

I have asked several times what her motivation was for taking part, but have not been told. I have asked if it was any comfort knowing that at least her material was used in a lesser format to raise awareness of her cause, and that too had no reply.

Seemingly, someone is very, very hurt for putting a lot of time & effort into something, expecting to get a lot more credit for it than she did. And I understand that. I'm only sorry that the posts which provided objective and useful information as to why it may have been so, and how to move forward in an effective manner have been labeled as a pile-on. Goodness knows there were a disproportionate many more who all sympathized and insisted she take it further, so it's not as if she didn't get the type of support she was actually seeking, too.

However she does it, she has to come to terms with it and move on from it, because it's just not worth allowing it to consume the rest of her life. I only wish I could make her pain go away, but I don't think anyone can.

beenonthebox · 19/02/2025 23:18

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 22:43

You know what, never mind.

Best of luck OP.

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"Never mind"

I agree.

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 22:43

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 22:36

I’ve only just joined the thread actually. I found the attitude and rudeness spewed at me by OP for asking a simple question unnecessary and responded to her attack on me. Call that odd or fixated it whatever you like. Well done you eh? 👍

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You know what, never mind.

Best of luck OP.

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 22:36

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 20:11

You are very, very oddly fixated on this. The OP is just as likely to be right as wrong. But your doggedness to be ‘right’ is quite unusual.

I’ve only just joined the thread actually. I found the attitude and rudeness spewed at me by OP for asking a simple question unnecessary and responded to her attack on me. Call that odd or fixated it whatever you like. Well done you eh? 👍

bluegreygreen · 19/02/2025 22:35

That did seem an unnecessarily ...forceful response to a reasonable question from @LlamaDharma

Most people have heard of local archives.

Many people are aware of private as well as public collections, and the concept of individuals with specific interests who are local authorities.

It's not entirely clear why it would be totally impossible for any interested person other than the OP to have discovered this information.

(Edit to say that I do not think OP was wrong to be upset at the poor communication from the BBC originally)

beenonthebox · 19/02/2025 20:31

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 19:45

omg do you people never give up?

I did not "find a list of relevant names". Why can't you trust me that I KNOW they cannot possibly have found those names, and most especially not in the precise order that they were recited.

It's like you are trying to force me to name the names, name the location, and dox myself, so that people can go back through my previous posts and laugh at me, knowing exactly who I am and where I live. You are anon, why can't I be?

Wow. And to think the OP thinks she's been treated like shite.

Agapornis · 19/02/2025 20:22

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 20:04

So how do you suggest OP 'just knows' without ever finding the relevant information out herself? Did it just materialise from nowhere?

Did you mean to quote me? Read my post again. That isn't what I said. "Just knows" is not a quote from me.

So many information retrieval options that are not easily accessible to the public/BBC. Local archives. School archives. Company archives. Pamphlets produced decades ago lingering in someone's loft. Fellow local historians who have amassed a private archive over decades.

I've been working in local history for over 15 years and it's amazing what can come out of the woodwork.

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 20:11

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 20:01

You will agree that nobody just wakes up one morning with specific expertise? OP didn't just rattle her head until the names popped out. She got that information from somewhere. Obviously using the exact same order is suspect, but the information is clearly out there somewhere to fact check. OP didn't just guess the names from nowhere.

You are very, very oddly fixated on this. The OP is just as likely to be right as wrong. But your doggedness to be ‘right’ is quite unusual.

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 20:04

Agapornis · 19/02/2025 19:57

Clearly some people have never heard of local archives with collections that aren't digitised.

No way the BBC will have sent a researcher to the local archives.

You have my sympathy @Ladyof2025. Did you end up contacting the producer/your contact? I'd invoice for research services...

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So how do you suggest OP 'just knows' without ever finding the relevant information out herself? Did it just materialise from nowhere?

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 20:01

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 19:30

Seeing as they asked her originally for her specific expertise and the replacement is coming out with the same information, it’s just as likely it comes from her?

You will agree that nobody just wakes up one morning with specific expertise? OP didn't just rattle her head until the names popped out. She got that information from somewhere. Obviously using the exact same order is suspect, but the information is clearly out there somewhere to fact check. OP didn't just guess the names from nowhere.

Agapornis · 19/02/2025 19:57

Clearly some people have never heard of local archives with collections that aren't digitised.

No way the BBC will have sent a researcher to the local archives.

You have my sympathy @Ladyof2025. Did you end up contacting the producer/your contact? I'd invoice for research services...

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 19:55

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 19:45

omg do you people never give up?

I did not "find a list of relevant names". Why can't you trust me that I KNOW they cannot possibly have found those names, and most especially not in the precise order that they were recited.

It's like you are trying to force me to name the names, name the location, and dox myself, so that people can go back through my previous posts and laugh at me, knowing exactly who I am and where I live. You are anon, why can't I be?

I just asked a question, but rant away. I don't give a hoot what the names are. I just asked if it's possible that you might not be the only person on the planet capable of finding the relevant information out. Not in the precise order obviously, but you didn't just mysteriously 'know' from nowhere. You obviously found out yourself.

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 19:45

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 19:23

Purely curious, but you would have to have found the list of relevant names somewhere from a checkable source. If you were able to find them, is it that outside the realms of possibility that someone else could also find them the same way you did?

omg do you people never give up?

I did not "find a list of relevant names". Why can't you trust me that I KNOW they cannot possibly have found those names, and most especially not in the precise order that they were recited.

It's like you are trying to force me to name the names, name the location, and dox myself, so that people can go back through my previous posts and laugh at me, knowing exactly who I am and where I live. You are anon, why can't I be?

OP posts:
Velmy · 19/02/2025 19:43

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 18:51

You’re not wrong, it’s always been a bit like this but recently it’s to the point that I can’t imagine wanting to start my own thread these days. Apart from to alert the night watch of obscene CSA photos that is 🤦‍♀️ Otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

Thing is, there's two options when posting on a public forum for advice/opinions...

You either, A) Post all the information and answer all the questions that come back, or B) Accept that if you've left a bunch of gaps that people will do what comes naturally and attempt to fill them in.

Nobody should share info they don't feel comfortable with sharing, but you can't have it both ways.

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 19:30

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 19:23

Purely curious, but you would have to have found the list of relevant names somewhere from a checkable source. If you were able to find them, is it that outside the realms of possibility that someone else could also find them the same way you did?

Seeing as they asked her originally for her specific expertise and the replacement is coming out with the same information, it’s just as likely it comes from her?

LlamaDharma · 19/02/2025 19:23

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 18:30

NO! I have not "rowed back". I clarified that not every single word was exactly the same but the list of names of people that my own personal private and unpublished research discovered were associated with the house, information which, as I have already explained upthread, they CANNOT have got from anyone else or anywhere else, was recited by the replacement "talking head" in exactly the same order as I had presented it!

It's really horrible how, on MN, some people only join a thread to attack the OP and pick at everything she says, trying to "catch her out", "prove" she is a liar or just say something nasty for the hell of it. I have seen this happen a hundred times on other threads and it makes me wonder why anyone ever bothers posting on here at all.

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Purely curious, but you would have to have found the list of relevant names somewhere from a checkable source. If you were able to find them, is it that outside the realms of possibility that someone else could also find them the same way you did?

MonotoneHerbivore · 19/02/2025 18:51

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 18:30

NO! I have not "rowed back". I clarified that not every single word was exactly the same but the list of names of people that my own personal private and unpublished research discovered were associated with the house, information which, as I have already explained upthread, they CANNOT have got from anyone else or anywhere else, was recited by the replacement "talking head" in exactly the same order as I had presented it!

It's really horrible how, on MN, some people only join a thread to attack the OP and pick at everything she says, trying to "catch her out", "prove" she is a liar or just say something nasty for the hell of it. I have seen this happen a hundred times on other threads and it makes me wonder why anyone ever bothers posting on here at all.

Edited

You’re not wrong, it’s always been a bit like this but recently it’s to the point that I can’t imagine wanting to start my own thread these days. Apart from to alert the night watch of obscene CSA photos that is 🤦‍♀️ Otherwise I wouldn’t bother.

purpleme12 · 19/02/2025 18:35

Agree

That poster that has looked through so many things on iPlayer is just taking it way too far anyway

Ladyof2025 · 19/02/2025 18:30

MasterBeth · 16/02/2025 22:05

The OP rowed back on saying that the exact words had been spoken. That's why it's a bit disingenuous for anyone to say it's disgraceful or plagiarism or theft or anything. No-one knows unless we see the script and the final broadcast.

NO! I have not "rowed back". I clarified that not every single word was exactly the same but the list of names of people that my own personal private and unpublished research discovered were associated with the house, information which, as I have already explained upthread, they CANNOT have got from anyone else or anywhere else, was recited by the replacement "talking head" in exactly the same order as I had presented it!

It's really horrible how, on MN, some people only join a thread to attack the OP and pick at everything she says, trying to "catch her out", "prove" she is a liar or just say something nasty for the hell of it. I have seen this happen a hundred times on other threads and it makes me wonder why anyone ever bothers posting on here at all.

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