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To be hurt and annoyed at being dropped by the BBC?

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Ladyof2025 · 12/02/2025 18:14

BBC contacted me asking me to speak on camera about an aspect of local history I happen to know a bit about. I agreed and spent the next few days brushing up on the facts and then writing and rewriting a script and reading it out loud again and again until I knew it by heart and could speak confidently to camera as though I'd never said it before.

I do not have a pretty face, and am in my 60s and rather podgy, but I went to the trouble of going through my wardrobe for the perfect outfit that flattered my podginess, and had my hair cut specially and put on some make up, so I could be the best possible version of me that I could.

The production team visited, took me to the site and filmed me speaking. I did it smoothly and confidently and was glad that I had put in all the rehearsal so I came across as knowledgeable, professional and confident of my material. They said my performance was perfect, thanked me profusely and left.

After about a week they rang me to say that due to time and space issues the section of the programme that featured my input had been dropped. I felt absolutely gutted, not because I want to see myself on TV but because I had used up a lot of my valuable free time for several days preparing and rehearsing for it (for no fee I should add).

A few months later the programme I was dropped from came on TV and to my utter astonishment an attractive, slim young lady appeared, at the same site I was filmed at, and she spoke the exact words I had written and rehearsed! I nearly fell off my chair - the absolute bloody cheek of dropping ME but stealing the script that I had written. Thinking about it, I realised that they wanted my expert input, but not my saggy face or ample figure.

AIBU to be hurt and angry?

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Rosscameasdoody · 12/02/2025 23:08

WilmaTitsDrop · 12/02/2025 18:25

I've been on the BBC for a similar reason and I find this very strange.

All the clothes sorting, hair cutting, writing your own script (who even does that??) was entirely your own choice.

They normally just want people to chat naturally about the subject, which is probably what the other woman did.

OP says the other presenter used her exact words. That being the case, they’ve stolen her intellectual property.

Bigcat25 · 12/02/2025 23:07

Wondering if you have any grounds to sue op?

Bigcat25 · 12/02/2025 23:05

That's astonishing op, Of course you're right to be hurt and angry. The ageism, the sexism,the lies, and wasting your time.

Myheadhurtsagain · 12/02/2025 23:01

Givemestrength1000 · 12/02/2025 18:31

Yeh sure. Why don’t you post a link to the programme for us all to see. The BBC has strict rules about things like this. I can’t see any journalist jeopardising their whole career for a short piece on local history

Completely agree.

What a load of rubbish

OakleyAnnie · 12/02/2025 23:00

WilmaTitsDrop · 12/02/2025 18:25

I've been on the BBC for a similar reason and I find this very strange.

All the clothes sorting, hair cutting, writing your own script (who even does that??) was entirely your own choice.

They normally just want people to chat naturally about the subject, which is probably what the other woman did.

Did you actually read the OP?

FartyPants9 · 12/02/2025 22:59

Charlize43 · 12/02/2025 20:26

It doesn't surprised me. I rarely watch the BBC these days, but switched it on a while back and partly watched a documentary presented by a blonde, Love Island person, Zara McDarmack, who had absolutely no presenting skills or presence. It was awful! Google images shows that she's quite busty and spends a great deal of her time posing in bikinis, judging by the images of her...

After the Huw Edwards scandal the BBC could benefit with being defunded of public money. It has really gone to the dogs.

The only documentaries that Zara has done has focused on things that she personally has been affected by like revenge porn, rape culture (after being threatened with rape) and eating disorders, they were all episodes of the same show.

Only 1 of the 20+ other programmes she's in is also a documentary but she wasn't presenting it, it was just an interview for Panorama and again it was something she was affected by.

Convolvulus · 12/02/2025 22:51

Danioyellow · 12/02/2025 18:31

Who else was supposed to write the script when it was the op providing the information?

No script is needed. They want people to speak spontaneously, from their own knowledge.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 12/02/2025 22:51

It could be a copyright issue if it was the exact same words, in order, etc after you were filmed.
Legal advice regarding recourse and rights would be an avenue to check.

Ryanstartedthefire22 · 12/02/2025 22:49

That's absolutely disgusting behaviour from the BBC. You should demand payment. Write to the papers. I would. Those bastards.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 12/02/2025 22:48

27Maisie27 · 12/02/2025 20:16

How did the BBC have your script, if it was something you'd learnt off by heart yourself?

Think very hard about how they could have obtained it after having filmed OP saying it.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 12/02/2025 22:44

Givemestrength1000 · 12/02/2025 18:31

Yeh sure. Why don’t you post a link to the programme for us all to see. The BBC has strict rules about things like this. I can’t see any journalist jeopardising their whole career for a short piece on local history

Yeah because the BBC’s “strict rules” have been so very effective in preventing their employees from abusing their positions in the past. Such paragons of virtue 🙄

endingintiers · 12/02/2025 22:38

I have been cut from tv shows a few times so was reading your post thinking I know it sucks… but to have your segment refilmed and fronted by someone else is atrocious!! YANBU at all. I assume it was a production company for the BBC but that doesn’t make it any better.

4forksache · 12/02/2025 22:34

I’d be taking this further just on principle.

Winlan81 · 12/02/2025 22:34

The BBC is now gutter tier! Has been for the last 10-20 years, in terms of output. Truth is it has been all along in terms of morality within the organisation. I would take this a lot further, but its up to you. Just know that you are above the cesspit of rot and filth that is the BBC. The quicker they get rid ofcthe licence fee the better.

FreedomandPeace · 12/02/2025 22:32

Can you sue them
Unless you signed away your copyright to them

BoundaryGirl3939 · 12/02/2025 22:24

Tv is so fickle and fake. I don't watch it. You're too good to be on the BBC.

Normallynumb · 12/02/2025 22:21

Isn't that theft of intellectual property?

Producethis · 12/02/2025 22:08

LittleBigHead · 12/02/2025 21:45

Hmmmmmm, as someone who's done a few of these as 'academic for hire' (although I do more radio than tele - I've got a great face for radio) I think you're both reasonable and unreasonable.

You are very reasonable to be FURIOUS about them using your material. Get straight back to the producer and say you've seen the show and you wondered why your words and research were illegally appropriated. Just ask the question, don't go into any feelings. Just ask why. Put the producer on the spot. And maybe do a bit of research online (gov.uk is good) about intellectual property etc.

But all the other stuff - make up hair etc - waste of time. You can't be annoyed with the BBC because of that.

And they rarely pay. Newspapers pay, but the BBC - rare. I do it as part of my job, basically. I've had travel expenses reimbursed.

But you have to understand a bit about programme making. Producers work at speed and they are really really good at talking with the tame academic and getting the juice out of the marrow, re-framing it for a generalist audience, then feeding it back to you as questions, or suggested bits to camera. For those of us used to long slow academic/book research, it's an impossibly simplifying thing. But a good producer is so so good at getting to the nub of a thing, very quickly, using the resources of other people's knowledge along the way.

Then they make decisions about sellability and watchability. They made a crap decision from your POV, and an unethical one - go for that angle.

But think about what you want out of it - a payment? an apology? Tele is even more than newsaper tomorrow's fish & chip wrapping.

This is so true.

Great producers can make any subject understandable - and they can also make almost anyone ‘work’ on camera.

Some people just can’t give good interviews - but they shouldn’t get to the filming stage.

@Ladyof2025 Another thing to add is that any decent producer would have googled you and known what you looked like ahead of time - and shared a briefing note, with photo, with anyone else involved in the decision to go ahead with the filming.

I think it’s very unlikely they saw you and decided you were too frumpy for their show.

But again, no excuse for not telling you the truth about your contribution. Unprofessional behaviour that makes us all look awful.

DreamW3aver · 12/02/2025 22:07

LittleBigHead · 12/02/2025 21:57

Although believe me, it's almost impossible not to sound stilted & over-rehearsed if you do that. Far better to be confident enough & knowledgeable enough to be able to speak off the cuff.

Well that may be true but it's not really relevant as the question isn't whether or not she sounded natural

I think everyone knows it's hard to simulate natural unrehearsed conversation when you have actually rehearsed it. That's not a valid reason to get someone else to say those words in a less stilted way without acknowledgement

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 12/02/2025 22:02

Considering how much the BBC loves to blow its own trumpet about how scrupulously accurate it supposedly is and how much they fight against disinformation and fake news, it does often seem like they think that, when they do it, it's cute.

LittleBigHead · 12/02/2025 21:57

DreamW3aver · 12/02/2025 21:56

From the OP it doesn't read like she was asked to write a script rather on her own initiative she wrote suitable words that she could learn and say in the piece.

That sounds a sensible thing to do if you aren't a natural off the cuff experienced TV person

Although believe me, it's almost impossible not to sound stilted & over-rehearsed if you do that. Far better to be confident enough & knowledgeable enough to be able to speak off the cuff.

DreamW3aver · 12/02/2025 21:56

Pleaseletmegohome · 12/02/2025 21:15

Dropped for time, content, not being strong enough etc - sure.

Having your ‘script’ (that I’ve never known anyone be asked to write - we would brief you and interview you but not ask you to write a script) given to someone else verbatim? Nope.

From the OP it doesn't read like she was asked to write a script rather on her own initiative she wrote suitable words that she could learn and say in the piece.

That sounds a sensible thing to do if you aren't a natural off the cuff experienced TV person

menopausalfart · 12/02/2025 21:55

So you did all the work for those CFs to steal it?
I'd be bloody fuming.

DalzielOrNoDalzielAndDontPascoe · 12/02/2025 21:54

So did they introduce the actress/presenter as you? Or did they claim that she was in the same expert capacity as you, when she was just some random person reading your script?

I'm trying to think how they could possibly have introduced her in any kind of true way. They don't normally go to a random person for a quote or interview without quantifying why they were chosen - even if it's just that you live in the area.

If she happened to be a similar expert, surely she wouldn't need to read another expert's script - and would have been offended to be asked to do so.

Producethis · 12/02/2025 21:53

AlmostCutMyHairToday · 12/02/2025 19:53

In reply to the PP's saying it's not possible. It is possible.

I work on tv documentaries and we sometimes go back to the same location to film pickups after we're part way through the edit. This helps us to be more targeted with the final bits of filming.

The replacement may have been a member of production, not an actor.

Yes, budgets are TIGHT, but Directors are not the most budget / schedule conscious, as much as we try to get them to be!!

That being said, I've never heard of anything like this before! But maybe the producer was plain lazy. Or maybe someone had a transcript of the original interview, passed it on, and the instruction to re-write it was forgotten.

OP may have signed a release form stating they can use the contribution in any way shape or form. But if the producers did knowingly re-use her script then they should have at least told her they were doing so, and the reasons why. They could have offered a token fee as a nice gesture if they couldn't be arsed to re-write it. And they could have added her to the 'With Thanks To' section of the end credits.

Anyone having to go back to get pickups for a local history VT shouldn’t be directing traffic, let alone TV.

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