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DS had disruptive child sat behind him

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CocoBean22 · 12/02/2025 15:53

There is a child in DS class year 3 who has spent the majority of his time of primary in the sensory hub but this term seems to be spending more time in the classroom with the other children and his teaching assistant sat next to him.

DS has been coming home saying that child X is sat behind him in class, and he sits and watches Paw patrol on a laptop with no ear phones and the volume on whilst my DS and the rest of the class try and concentrate and learn their maths.

He shouts out swear words and is very disruptive.

DS said he was told off by the teacher today for 'turning around' to see what child x was watching as the volume was quite loud and it was distracting him.

Shall I let it go?
Should I speak with the teacher?
And if so what would you say?

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 13/02/2025 21:49

I'd talk to the teacher. Your job is to support your own child's needs first.

MrsSkylerWhite · 13/02/2025 12:38

craigth162 · Yesterday 15:54

Let it go. You have no idea how much work it has taken to get this child into classroom. I'm sure the long term plan will be to use paw patrol etc less and less and he begins to cope

Nonsense. OP’s child and the rest of the class have as much right to education as the child with SEN. One child should not be allowed to disrupt an entire class.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 13/02/2025 12:35

lunar1 · 13/02/2025 12:27

My son has inattentive adhd, a light breeze distracts him, he would get literally nothing done if there were bloody cartoons playing in class while he was trying to work!

Don't let it go, this isn't a reasonable adjustment.

Yes, one of the issues with inclusion is that we only seem to care about making adjustments for those whose disability necessitates loud volume or disruption. Anyone with a disability who requires peace and quiet is completely ignored, even though that’s just as ableist as ignoring the needs of the former group.

Some disabilities are considered more important than others, in my experience.

lunar1 · 13/02/2025 12:27

My son has inattentive adhd, a light breeze distracts him, he would get literally nothing done if there were bloody cartoons playing in class while he was trying to work!

Don't let it go, this isn't a reasonable adjustment.

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/02/2025 12:10

Halycon · 13/02/2025 11:45

It’s a shame for the kids outside of this 20% too. Presumably getting very little attention throughout the day from teaching staff, minimal reward for good behaviour/attendance/results, watching their peers get out of work while they’re expected to do it regardless.

I know it’s obviously not as black & white as that to an adult, but to a young child, it is.

I agree. They need clear rules and a calm environment. The situation described by OP fails on both of those.

Halycon · 13/02/2025 11:45

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/02/2025 11:39

Yeah, I disagree with number 2 as well then. Shouldn't be happening in the classroom. One kid watching Paw Patrol, another in the cosy corner playing with lego, another in their den (desk covered with a sheet) with a laptop, another flashing their card and leaving the room entirely, another doing something else.......etc. etc. 20% of the kids have some kind of special get-out these days. A classroom just can't function like that. It's chaos and detrimental to the other kids. But nobody cares because inclusion.

It’s a shame for the kids outside of this 20% too. Presumably getting very little attention throughout the day from teaching staff, minimal reward for good behaviour/attendance/results, watching their peers get out of work while they’re expected to do it regardless.

I know it’s obviously not as black & white as that to an adult, but to a young child, it is.

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/02/2025 11:39

stichguru · 13/02/2025 10:51

Because there are two arguments happening

  1. That a child should not be allowed to do something that disturbs other children.
  2. That watching Paw Patrol is not part of the learning curriculum and therefore said child should not be allowed to do it in school at all.

One is correct - a child in a classroom should not be allowed to do something in the classroom which distracts other children.
Two is not - if a child is experiencing overload or anxiety they can't really learn anything. If ten minutes break watching Paw Patrol can calm them to an extent that they are then able to take in other information that they are being taught, relate to other children in calm and understanding way, and still more still, not shout out, generally self regulate better, then watching Paw Patrol in a way that doesn't disturb others, should very much be allowed for that child.

Yeah, I disagree with number 2 as well then. Shouldn't be happening in the classroom. One kid watching Paw Patrol, another in the cosy corner playing with lego, another in their den (desk covered with a sheet) with a laptop, another flashing their card and leaving the room entirely, another doing something else.......etc. etc. 20% of the kids have some kind of special get-out these days. A classroom just can't function like that. It's chaos and detrimental to the other kids. But nobody cares because inclusion.

Halycon · 13/02/2025 11:38

1SillySossij · 13/02/2025 00:05

Were you in the classroom? No, and neither were your mum friends. Children do embellished and exaggerate. If you don't think your child does, you are That parent. I suspect if the cartoon was audible it was only for a few minutes. Sometimes autistic kids need an activity like watching a favourite show for a few minutes to regulate themselves. Maybe 5 minutes of audible cartoons is preferable to a full on 60 minute meltdown. Ideally the 1 to 1 would take the child out, but with so many send children in a school sometimes that just isn't possible, or the isn't anywhere that isn't being used by someone else. Primary classrooms are never quiet places. Tell your son to stay in his lane and focus on his work. No reason for him to be turning round!
Bear in mind class teachers are constrained by policies, and schools are legally required to follow the child's EHCP however ridiculously impractical some of the measures in it may be.

“tell your son to stay in his lane.”

Wonder if you’re this brave in real life. 😂

Why don’t we tell the kid watching Paw Patrol to stay in his lane outside of the class? Ah of course, someone saying that would be vilified.

But it’s fine for you to be rude about the OP’s child having a very normal reaction to cartoons blaring in his classroom?

Jog on.

CaptainFuture · 13/02/2025 11:37

BigSilly · 13/02/2025 10:54

Erm... Stay in my own lane, She is posting on here actively asking for opinions, you absolute doughnut! 🤣

Why are you responding to a post addressed to another poster? Unless you are sockpuppeting?

Dramatic · 13/02/2025 11:10

1SillySossij · 13/02/2025 00:05

Were you in the classroom? No, and neither were your mum friends. Children do embellished and exaggerate. If you don't think your child does, you are That parent. I suspect if the cartoon was audible it was only for a few minutes. Sometimes autistic kids need an activity like watching a favourite show for a few minutes to regulate themselves. Maybe 5 minutes of audible cartoons is preferable to a full on 60 minute meltdown. Ideally the 1 to 1 would take the child out, but with so many send children in a school sometimes that just isn't possible, or the isn't anywhere that isn't being used by someone else. Primary classrooms are never quiet places. Tell your son to stay in his lane and focus on his work. No reason for him to be turning round!
Bear in mind class teachers are constrained by policies, and schools are legally required to follow the child's EHCP however ridiculously impractical some of the measures in it may be.

Why is it ok for the op to tell her child to "stay in his lane and focus on his work" but not to tell this other child he can't watch Paw Patrol during class? Clearly op's son was upset to have been told off, why do his feelings suddenly become irrelevant?

BLUEcups · 13/02/2025 10:57

Ask for headphones.

Children with SEN shouldn’t be hidden away or sat on their own in the corner of the class. They have to sit beside someone. They won’t keep the same seating plan for the year so every few weeks there will be a shuffle and someone what will be sat beside the child.

I realise your child might be distracted but it’s not going to impact on their life chances havivg to sit beside a vulnerable child for a few weeks. Don’t be ‘that parent’ and complain. Keep an eye on it and if they haven’t changed seats in the next month it so then absolutely tell the teacher.

BigSilly · 13/02/2025 10:54

CaptainFuture · 13/02/2025 08:23

Were you in the classroom? Tell your son to stay in his lane and focus on his work. No reason for him to be turning round!?
Your attitude here is appalling towards @CocoBean22 s child.

Stay in 'your' own lane!!

Erm... Stay in my own lane, She is posting on here actively asking for opinions, you absolute doughnut! 🤣

stichguru · 13/02/2025 10:51

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/02/2025 10:05

Listening to Chase et al performing another awesome rescue is, unsurprisingly, disturbing the other kids learning. So it's ridiculous and should not be happening. Not sure why you are arguing whilst also agreeing!

Because there are two arguments happening

  1. That a child should not be allowed to do something that disturbs other children.
  2. That watching Paw Patrol is not part of the learning curriculum and therefore said child should not be allowed to do it in school at all.

One is correct - a child in a classroom should not be allowed to do something in the classroom which distracts other children.
Two is not - if a child is experiencing overload or anxiety they can't really learn anything. If ten minutes break watching Paw Patrol can calm them to an extent that they are then able to take in other information that they are being taught, relate to other children in calm and understanding way, and still more still, not shout out, generally self regulate better, then watching Paw Patrol in a way that doesn't disturb others, should very much be allowed for that child.

Ablondiebutagoody · 13/02/2025 10:05

stichguru · 13/02/2025 07:32

Working in classrooms, I would suggest that this child has a disability which makes him become easily overwhelmed by the demands of the classroom. I guess watching Paw Patrol, is something which lowers those demands, prevents overloading and therefore enables him to focus once again on his learning. So no there is nothing inherently ridiculous about preventing a child having a total breakdown in the classroom and helping them focus on their learning.

Letting them do it in a way that disrupts other children's learning, could be described as "ridiculous", but calling things "ridiculous" just because they aren't helpful to your child, when the teacher is trying to deal with the different needs of 30 kids isn't helpful.

Listening to Chase et al performing another awesome rescue is, unsurprisingly, disturbing the other kids learning. So it's ridiculous and should not be happening. Not sure why you are arguing whilst also agreeing!

CaptainFuture · 13/02/2025 08:23

1SillySossij · 13/02/2025 00:05

Were you in the classroom? No, and neither were your mum friends. Children do embellished and exaggerate. If you don't think your child does, you are That parent. I suspect if the cartoon was audible it was only for a few minutes. Sometimes autistic kids need an activity like watching a favourite show for a few minutes to regulate themselves. Maybe 5 minutes of audible cartoons is preferable to a full on 60 minute meltdown. Ideally the 1 to 1 would take the child out, but with so many send children in a school sometimes that just isn't possible, or the isn't anywhere that isn't being used by someone else. Primary classrooms are never quiet places. Tell your son to stay in his lane and focus on his work. No reason for him to be turning round!
Bear in mind class teachers are constrained by policies, and schools are legally required to follow the child's EHCP however ridiculously impractical some of the measures in it may be.

Were you in the classroom? Tell your son to stay in his lane and focus on his work. No reason for him to be turning round!?
Your attitude here is appalling towards @CocoBean22 s child.

Stay in 'your' own lane!!

ThejoyofNC · 13/02/2025 07:41

JMSA · 13/02/2025 00:32

Come on, let's engage brain a little here.
The child will NOT be watching Paw Patrol all day. It will be used as an incentive for him to do work. So finish this worksheet, and you'll get 5 minutes of PP. And repeat.
Some children have such high levels of need, that this is the only way. At least initially. And this child's stress levels will be through the roof at being reintroduced to class.

OP, it would be absolutely fair enough to question the headphones thing. But please do not go straight to the Head as another poster suggested Hmm

It doesn't make any difference. No child should be allowed to sit and watch PP in the middle of the classroom, for any amount of time.

stichguru · 13/02/2025 07:32

Ablondiebutagoody · 12/02/2025 23:24

But it is ridiculous that child X is allowed to watch PP in the classroom. That statement is obviously true

Working in classrooms, I would suggest that this child has a disability which makes him become easily overwhelmed by the demands of the classroom. I guess watching Paw Patrol, is something which lowers those demands, prevents overloading and therefore enables him to focus once again on his learning. So no there is nothing inherently ridiculous about preventing a child having a total breakdown in the classroom and helping them focus on their learning.

Letting them do it in a way that disrupts other children's learning, could be described as "ridiculous", but calling things "ridiculous" just because they aren't helpful to your child, when the teacher is trying to deal with the different needs of 30 kids isn't helpful.

Ddakji · 13/02/2025 07:28

Newmumhere40 · 13/02/2025 01:15

Spoken like someone who has no idea what teaching is like. We do not have a choice but to reintegrate all children into the classroom!

Surely you know that that doesn’t mean it’s right? You can’t be that indoctrinated?!

MissHollysDolly · 13/02/2025 03:31

Wow, my DS won't even listen to simple instructions at home if the TV is on let alone trying to do any work. It's a massive distraction and shouldn't be allowed.

Myotherusernameiswaybetter · 13/02/2025 02:36

Your Son can’t miss out on an education because of another kid. At least get your son moved.

BlondiePortz · 13/02/2025 02:33

craigth162 · 12/02/2025 15:54

Let it go. You have no idea how much work it has taken to get this child into classroom. I'm sure the long term plan will be to use paw patrol etc less and less and he begins to cope.

I disagree with this a lot, and yes if my child was the one doing the distracting I would expect them to be removed for everyone elses sake

one child should not be allowed to distract others not matter how people dress it up

Newmumhere40 · 13/02/2025 01:15

Merryoldgoat · 12/02/2025 16:02

This is absolute rubbish.

If the child cannot cope in the classroom allowing them to distract everyone else isn’t the answer.

Spoken like someone who has no idea what teaching is like. We do not have a choice but to reintegrate all children into the classroom!

mathanxiety · 13/02/2025 01:11

Ask the teacher if this is indeed the case, and if so, complain.

This is really not on.

1SillySossij · 13/02/2025 00:54

Twirlywurly2 · 12/02/2025 22:13

It isn't just support staff though. Teachers still have to plan often bespoke curriculums/activities for these children. Often the SENCO role is given to a teacher who also has the responsibility of a class.

There's also a lot of paperwork involved documenting incidents, learning plans, parent meetings etc.

A huge amount of time and resources are given to children with SEND, and there isn't enough funding for full 1:1 support, which is draining school and LA budgets substantially.

So my point still stands that attention is indeed being taken away from the other majority of children (however many) in the class.

And it is not just a question of planning activities for the day and that's it, job done. You don't know how the child is going to be on that day. They may be too dysregulsted to do anything!
.Most of the of the costs of what a child needs is not fully funded. It is difficult to recruit and worse to retain decent, suitable people to be1 to 1s for children with severe sen. It is an incredibly stressful, draining job. You are on your mettle the whole time watching them to protect them and others, you may be at risk of being, and actually be assaulted regularly. You may have to make split second decisions on whether to restrain a child- you may face legal proceedings if it is deemed unnecessary, or if you don't restrain you could be seriously hurt, or the cause of someone else being seriously hurt. At other times it can be very tedious just interacting with one child all day. Someone described it to me as feeling as though you are in an abusive relationship! It is very difficult to get special school places, often they say they can't meet the child's needs, but then an ordinary primary school is supposed to just be able to cope!

Anywherebuthere · 13/02/2025 00:36

craigth162 · 12/02/2025 15:54

Let it go. You have no idea how much work it has taken to get this child into classroom. I'm sure the long term plan will be to use paw patrol etc less and less and he begins to cope.

No I disagree. It's unfair on the other children if it's affecting their concentration and learning.

OP you need to speak to the head of year or headteacher.

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