to think some people think WFH should be a constant nose to the grindstone?

Well then you've described it very badly here.

It sounds as though just about anyone could do your job, and they tend not to be much above minimum wage 🤷‍♂️

Well yes, given that your aim was to start a debate in which you were arguing that your viewpoint should be shared by the majority. It’s pretty disingenuous to support your case with facts that you know to be very specific to you, and ethically questionable to encourage people to do something that could get them into trouble by giving the impression that everybody does it.

The problem with expecting everyone to accept that flexibility works best for you, is that we have to accept it from everybody else who WFH too. So if you work best from 4am until 11am then go to bed for four hours, meanwhile your colleague is only just getting going at midday, how is your colleague supposed to communicate effectively with you, without waiting hours for you to return his call after your long nap? Then just as you are clocking off for the day, another colleague insists that she does her best work from 7pm until midnight. She needs to speak to you, but you're having your dinner/putting your kids to bed, so she has to send you an email instead, which you won't read until 4am tomorrow. It requires an urgent response but being that it's 4am you can't ring her.

So all in all, it's poor for communication, poor for teamwork, poor for productivity, nobody takes responsibility for anything because it's always sitting in someone else's virtual in-tray awaiting a response, and what can you possibly be expected to do about that?

You sound as though you're saying you have a very easy job with very simple targets.

That's fine, I know a few people on minimum wage with the same sort of setup and it works for them.

But that's not really representative of other people with more professional jobs with real deadlines to meet.

Those are the people with their noses to the grindstone and for good reason, as they're paid accordingly.

And those are just the ones who know they're taking the piss! There's also a second category of people who appear to be doing it accidentally.

Some of it’s jealousy.

some of it is that people are in junior jobs and don’t realise not all jobs require nose to the grindstone, clocking in and out

my job is totally flexible and I’m measured by outcomes. Not hours clocked or keystrokes.

Thank you. Food for thought

You are very rude

I don't know about that. The company I work for is international and 80%of their workforce WFH. Everyone in my dept is on £12ph, and there are thousands of us, that's just the UK part for this dept. There are hundreds of other depts were people are on the same money and WFH.

People who WFH aren't exploiting anyone, and people who have on-site clock in / clock out aren't all working-class heroes, either. Don't be bloody silly.

I agree. In my experience, there has always been one or more individuals who do the bare minimum on a good day. Managing and motivating lazy people is a tireless task. There are also those who attempt to look busy when the boss is visible. The variety of the human race 😂

Thank you. Id say you are likely to be the exception rather than norm

My point of view is never irrelevant, same as everyone else.
My POV epitomises the unfairness of the system. Some are exploited whilst others exploit!

There are people who use any workplace environment as a tool for taking the piss. I have multiple examples and experiences of those who misuse those systems when working in person. Sadly, management are not immune to this! If you've not noticed that, either you've been lucky or you're much better at detecting piss taking in some settings than others.

WFH should be the same as working in the office.

In some places you are glued to your desk between 9 and 6, in other roles you have a lot of flexibility.

I work with grown-ups, even when in the office people can disappear to the gym downstairs for 1 hour or 2 at some point during the day. They don't when they're busy, but most find it easier than squeezing it before or after work. They are not moaning because they are asked to do 5mn of overtime. There's not real concept of overtime for a few hours here and there anyway.

Again, it's professional adults, they can manage their requirements. Makes no difference when they are home.

The clock watchers who faint at the idea of working 45 seconds before their time, or 30seconds later, on the other hand...

WFH enables some to take the P+++.
of course

but so does working in the office. Some people are king of doing bugger all but just showing their face. Some people are king of "sick leave"

Slackers will be slackers.

The majority is more efficient, it's pretty easy to check when you are managing them.

How is it a great societal divide? I earn just above MW, yet work WFH full time.

Right, so your point is irrelevant then, isn't it?

The management are likely to be at it too

Says it all.

You’ve basically repeated what I said. You didn’t caveat the initial mention of your “side business” with any reference to your circumstances being unusual. My point is that it’s not a great idea to normalise something when it is unusual in terms of most workplace norms.

Of course they are not doing the same roles

Interesting point. I appreciate that life is unfair and it seems that the unskilled/ manual workforce are disproportionately unfairly representative in your examples.
My point is that WFH enables some to take the P+++. IME, these posts typically represent middle and upper classes. I have also worked in a team where some WFH, my interaction with them compounded my assumptions. And these people were middle/upper management.
I'm fully aware that there are people who work productivally at home who don't misuse their freedom to do so. However, I have multiple examples and experiences of those who misuse the system