to think some people think WFH should be a constant nose to the grindstone?

The skivers, the minimalists, the people who never meet deadlines, those who are always late for meetings or calls, we all know or have known people like that.

Because of that, those who wfh get tarred with the same brush.

Right. So paying local business to do exercise classes or doing your shopping in your local Tesco isn’t supporting the economy 🙄. All of which I did when I was in the office, swam at lunch time and more than once did my shopping in the local Tesco but no not good enough 🙄🙄
Do you mean the goverment want us to pay for over priced coffee and lunches? Because I didn’t do that anyway.

Why should your employer pay you to have a chat with your colleague in the kitchen about their holiday? But everyone does this when working in the office. It's different to take 5 to hand washing out or make a DC a cup of tea when they get home

I think more time is wasted in the office tbh, chatting, trips to the cafe, making drinks and more chatting......

My partner often finds he gets more work done when he WFH instead of in the office. He says it's much harder for people to interrupt him when he's trying to get something done. Sometimes people genuinely need to ask him a question or talk to him about work but often they just want a chat. I know he finds it incredibly frustrating at times.

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Why on earth would you feel qualified to comment

Your opinion is entirely irrelevant

The tide is turning, more and more people are getting hoiked back into the office. Enjoy it while it lasts guys!

A lot of people work flexi time these days whether in a workplace or WFH so as long as you put the hours in and available when required what’s the problem?I can understand if you’re a call centre operative who WFH then you need to be at your workstation for your given hours. Surely it depends on the nature of the job

I'm still only saying that I wasn't "making shit up" though.

Agree it’s jealous, plus there do seem to be a lot of jobsworth middle managers on MN.

Over many years of being on MN I have learnt that it is not a place to ask for sensible job advice.

I don’t know why so many people get in such a flap over someone putting a load of laundry on when they work from home.

I’ve worked in offices where management spent more time doing ‘team building’ exercises, holding pointless meetings, going for team lunches, and acting like no work should be done on a Friday afternoon. It pissed me off because we had a busy workload and had extra pressure on us because of the ‘fun work culture’

The Daily Mail brigade didn’t lose their shit over it because white men in suits who could keep an eye on us made those decisions. But they have steam coming out of their ears if a woman dares put something in the washing machine while working from home.

Relax! If you don’t want to work from home then don’t.

I agree. If you are routinely doing a couple of hours less a day then your targets are too low. I imagine what you could achieve if you were in the office and didn't have the distractions? Stuff like this is probably why orgs want people back in the office.

I think some people purposely forget that in most offices a fair amount of time is wasted making cups of tea, gossiping, chatting about holidays/weekends/family life, having cigarette breaks or surfing the internet.

They seem to spin the narrative that people in offices are more 'productive' and busy working every single minute of their working day simply because they are on site which frankly is completely untrue.

I get more done in the peace and quiet of my home then in the middle of the chaos and distraction of open plan office...

I think people who are so against WFH are either people who are envious because they don't have the opportunity to do so in their job or control freak managers and bosses who get off on being able to micro manage staff.

I've worked in many, many offices for many, many years to achieve a level of seniority, responsibility and autonomy which allows me to earn the money I do whilst WFH full time.

You've got the job you've got. If you don't like it and can change it, change it - if you can't, that's life. Being angry and bitter about others being "luckier" than you or having better opportunities than you only makes you...angry and bitter.

I'm not "lucky" and I didn't get a unique opportunity. It took me a long time to get here.

Oh god, me too!

Thanks for your concern but I'm not embarrassed. What is a bit embarrassing is your attempt at insisting that, because no one actually literally pegs out the laundry or preps their evening meal in the office, they're skiving and wasting time that someone in an office isn't, even though in the real world everyone knows that plenty of time is wasted through taking deliberately long routes between buildings, chatting in the kitchen, catching up on everyone's weekends etc.

Oh my gosh I’m jealous of that.

I’ve had some truly exhausting shit jobs.

I think its hard to understand people's jobs if you haven't worked them. Iv only ever done jobs that are go go go so I struggle to understand people having free time at work. I don't generally care whatever people do in their lives unless it effects me for e.g. if your a medical secretary working from home and your not answering the phone and ignoring emails because your at a fitness class that's not ok.

Definitely

I used to work on one of them, then I left and got a nice cushy WFH job. No regrets.

I didn't say she missed her targets, I was simply pointing out that I wasn't "making shit up" and I urged you to read the OP properly to save future embarrassment.

I would be the same! That's the thing, an office job, whether at home or in workplace is generally viewed as less stressful.