to think some people think WFH should be a constant nose to the grindstone?

I don’t know anyone who was. My colleagues certainly weren’t best pleased.

You must know some affluent people who can just lose a fifth of their salary for six weeks and not blink.

Everyone I knew that was furloughed was more than happy to be paid 80% of their salary to sit at home and do nothing. I would have been.

Not sure why think people would be happy to have lost 20% of their salary? I certainly wasn’t.

Possibly because what others do can have an effect on our jobs.

All these people saying wfh people should be back in the office probably weren't complaining when they were furloughed for months on end whilst we were wfh.... how times have changed...

And before people come at me to say 'what about Dr's, nurses, shop workers'...my response is that hundreds of thousands of people were furloughed and they weren't complaining about me wfh then...they were quite happy sat at home with their 80% pay.

Why do you care what others do? Get on with your own job.

Plus, as remote work existed pre-covid and March 2020 was 5 years ago, there are people in jobs that were never office based in the first place. I not only don't have an office but also don't have a 'back'.

It can't be long til the majority of the workforce aren't in the same job as they were when lockdown started, if we aren't there already.

I WFH FT. I work hard, spent the vast majority of my day at my computer. When I make a cup of tea I generally do a bit of housework but that's it. It's not different to working in an office productivity wise.

Hate to break to you, but some jobs are entirely wfh based. There is no office to go back to.

Where ever you work - at home or otherwise- you do get breaks, lunchtime and time for comfort breaks - so when you make a brew between calls you can put a wash on while the kettle boils - or other quick tasks like emptying the dishwasher etc. While my soup in cooking for lunch I can whip the hoover round downstairs or sort the bins.

Today i stated half an hour early, finished 1.5 hours late and didn't have my unpaid lunch hour- I did tidy the kitchen while making a brew and took 10 mins to eat soup for lunch - when I am in the office I always go for a walk at lunchtime and start and finish on time. - personally I love hybrid working- I enjoy my office time and appreciate the work life balance that wfh offers plus it is better for the environment (less journeys to the office).

Sorry, I quoted the wrong post.

Mine is too, there is an office but as it’s 300 miles away they only expect me in one day a year.

My job is entirely remote, there literally is no office for me to be hoiked back to.

Why is laundry always used as the go-to shirking evidence on threads like this? It takes 5 minutes. Laundry won't help anyone shirk properly.

It's always a little alarming that some people can't grasp the concepts of jobs that aren't measured in solid blocks of eight working hours; or jobs where the amount of work ebbs and flows; or that quality of work has nothing to do with putting your nose the grindstone 9-5; or that quality of work can even improve with non-work breaks. Or just jobs and lives that aren't like their own. If I was beng bitchy I would say no wonder those people are stuck in shit jobs where presenteeism is all that matters, instead of enjoying the autonomy of deciding when and how to do work to a schedule that suits us.

If something has come in after my deadline I have been known to log on on my day off in order to not have a schedule slip.

I wouldn’t go into a physical office to do that, so those schedules would slip - as they used to in the old full-time office days.

The same people who scive when wfh do it in the office too.

I'd love to have a job with more flexible hours though that's for sure.

When I’m in the office I go to the kitchen and while the kettle is boiling or I’m waiting for someone else to use the coffee machine I’ll have a chat to a colleague. When I’m at home I’ll do some washing up or put a load of washing on while the kettle boils. In both cases I’m away from my desk for 10 minutes.
When I’m in the office I’ll wander to a sandwich shop in my lunch break and spend money I don’t need to. When I’m at home I’ll walk the dog or do an online yoga workout or go on the treadmill. In both cases I’m away from my desk for 1 hour.
Tomorrow morning I have a call with Australia scheduled for 8am. If I had to do a drive to my office 45 miles away to do the call there is no way I’m leaving home at 6:30. As I’m at home I’m going to start work at 8 and then finish an hour early and go and get my hair done. Swings and roundabouts.
I talk to people all over the world, I’m not talking to people next to me in the office. They don’t care where im working from.

@LlynTegid

Where does a minimalist come into it?

Have you ever worked in an office?! Plenty of time wasting goes on in offices and has done for decades. I remember reading in a Dorothy L Sayers book set in an advertising office (from about 100 years ago) the amount of time wasting and how it was a miracle that any work got done.

And remember when half the staff smoked and went off for multiple cigarette breaks on company time?

Some people have both very short memories and no knowledge or even imagination for different kinds of jobs.

Especially coming from the daily mail etc...

Lack of exposure to non-archaic working practises. There are good employers out there. People don't like seeing others with nice circumstances and prefer everyone to be in misery.

I've been one of those nose to the ground stone people. Log on at 9 lunch at 1 for 30 mins log off at 5.30. Only other time I stop would be a loo break morning and afternoon. I made a surprise trip to the office last week. First time in 18 months. Noone came in till 9.30, they faffed about till about 9.46 getting drinks etc. did a bit stopped for 15 mins to get tea runs, did a bit loo break, then lunch everyone took at least an hour or however ling 10000 steps took them and the same in the afternoon. Some of them left for school run, some stayed as late as 4pm!! I was shocked and won't feel guilty again about emptying the dishwasher etc.

I’m paid by the hour so I hang my washing out in unpaid time.

When I have an approaching deadline I will put in as many unpaid overtime hours as I need to. When I have nothing to do, I will admit to coasting a bit, rather than trying to create extra work for myself. It all evens out.

What it usually means is that lots of people with power have commercial property portfolios.