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In light of another thread what is the ‘Worst thing daughter/son in-law has ever said or done to you?

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HaloTRI · 12/02/2025 15:17

There are always two sides to every story!

OP posts:
HomeTheatreSystem · 13/02/2025 15:59

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:54

If so, and just leave them to get on with it. I'm hoping I'll have my own life and at least you aren't being used for childcare as everyone seems to be so afraid off.

You say that but there's a grandchild here who the GF, OP's DH would like to be close to. The DIL has him by the short and curlys.

If, however, you opt to make a mystery out of someone who would otherwise be a close relative, it may well come back to bite you later in life

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:58

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:54

Oh she won’t ask for one either. Dh even told her just ask or go make one. She wants to be hosted without being invited.

So I don’t offer and she won’t ask and she fumes.

Yes, that’s ridiculous. What can you do??
It's probably down to a deep seated sense of insecurity, being usurped by you from her matriarchal throne and she is expressing it passive aggressively!!

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:54

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:52

Fair enough.
If I was your MIL I would just accept that’s how you do things and ask "May I have a cup of tea?"
You can see how there are so many conflicts though, it seems the dynamic between MIL/ DIL has a tendency to make mountains out of mole hills.

Oh she won’t ask for one either. Dh even told her just ask or go make one. She wants to be hosted without being invited.

So I don’t offer and she won’t ask and she fumes.

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:54

HomeTheatreSystem · 13/02/2025 15:50

Sad to say but it does look like that's the case.

If so, and just leave them to get on with it. I'm hoping I'll have my own life and at least you aren't being used for childcare as everyone seems to be so afraid off.

lovingmememe · 13/02/2025 15:53

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lovingmememe · 13/02/2025 15:53

Nothing to add my son inlaw to be is lovely.
He loves my son very much and he gets on with me we have a right laugh.
Me and his mum are are helping with their wedding planning at the moment we all get on like a house on fire.

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:52

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:48

My children are all old enough to get a drink when they are thirsty or ask for one. Obviously when they were toddlers a sippy cup was always to hand.

When we have bbq’s we always have jugs of juices out for people, a fridge full of cans and beers and cold wine. Feel free to help your self.

Fair enough.
If I was your MIL I would just accept that’s how you do things and ask "May I have a cup of tea?"
You can see how there are so many conflicts though, it seems the dynamic between MIL/ DIL has a tendency to make mountains out of mole hills.

HomeTheatreSystem · 13/02/2025 15:50

LeCygneNoir · 13/02/2025 15:02

@HomeTheatreSystem she may simply just want to alienate the PIL in preference of her own family. Which is awful, but certainly happens.

Sad to say but it does look like that's the case.

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:48

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:45

Maybe you need to think a little about others.
Do you have children? Or do you not offer them a drink unless you're having one?

Edited

My children are all old enough to get a drink when they are thirsty or ask for one. Obviously when they were toddlers a sippy cup was always to hand.

When we have bbq’s we always have jugs of juices out for people, a fridge full of cans and beers and cold wine. Feel free to help your self.

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:45

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:41

It’s because it just doesn’t register. I presume most people who offer a coffee or tea do so as they are also about to fetch themselves one no?

So if I was going to go grab a glass of water or juice I’d offer but I guess again since I don’t drink hot drinks I possibly go and get a drink less often. So I’ll have a glass of water and sip from it when I pass it in the kitchen. I won’t be sat on the sofa and think of I must go make a glass of water. If it’s a hot day and I’m going to grab a can of cola from the fridge I’d ask if anyone wants one.

Dh actually texts me if we have workmen round to remind me otherwise I’d just let them crack on with their job while I’m doing mine.

Maybe you need to think a little about others.
Do you have children? Or do you not offer them a drink unless you're having one?

pikkumyy77 · 13/02/2025 15:45

CurlewKate · 13/02/2025 14:41

I find it very strange that posters who are convinced all MILs are vile seem to forget that they will be MILs in the not too distant future!!

This is commonly said on mumsnet but its such a ridiculous point. Posters are very well aware that they will be (may be) MIL at some point and frequently say that they hope not to be overbearing or rude or excluding to their future DIL/SIL.

Very few people, that I can see, who don’t have a personality disorder to start with choose conflict with their inlaws. But its really obvious that families have a hard time negotiating absorbing a stranger, from another family/culture/village into themselves absent strong cultural rules about how that is to happen and how superior and subordinate family members are to act.

When I worked as an anthropologist in a rural, caste based, community, structured around patriarchal principles of land ownership, it was an obvious goal of marriage strategies to preferentially marry only biddable young women from the right caste into the family so that they would “know their place” and accept the family/caste rules of precedence, order, purity and pollution.

The modern mumsnet stories of MIL/DIL conflict generally resolve themselves into rather typical conflicts over precedence and service between older and younger generations where modern adult women (DIL) have education, work, and family duties which make them less likely to fuss over or defer to their husbands parents. If husband comes from divorced parents they may be expected to flatter and care for two or more parental units and negotiate conflicts between FIL/exMIL/new partners that their own DH can’t or won’t manage.

Rather than looking at this situation as a clash of good or evil personalities—though it may look that way from the inside—I tend to look at it as one of a mismatch of expectations about who makes family “fit and function “ after the first intimacy of the nuclear family.

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:41

It’s because it just doesn’t register. I presume most people who offer a coffee or tea do so as they are also about to fetch themselves one no?

So if I was going to go grab a glass of water or juice I’d offer but I guess again since I don’t drink hot drinks I possibly go and get a drink less often. So I’ll have a glass of water and sip from it when I pass it in the kitchen. I won’t be sat on the sofa and think of I must go make a glass of water. If it’s a hot day and I’m going to grab a can of cola from the fridge I’d ask if anyone wants one.

Dh actually texts me if we have workmen round to remind me otherwise I’d just let them crack on with their job while I’m doing mine.

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:41

Nanny0gg · 13/02/2025 15:30

I understand why you are how you are with your MiL

But to not offer anyone a hot drink because you don't drink them? That's...unusual

Or you could offer a glass of wine, seeing as you're just about to open another bottle 😂

Nanny0gg · 13/02/2025 15:30

UndermyShoeJoe · 12/02/2025 20:19

I’ll post on behalf of my mil if you’d like. She complained to dh that I don’t make her feel welcome because I don’t offer her a coffee when she pops by.

My version. You didn’t ask nor were you invited to pop in. You pass comments and judge everything in my home. I don’t even drink hot drinks so actually never offer anyone one. She makes me feel uncomfortable in my own home.

I understand why you are how you are with your MiL

But to not offer anyone a hot drink because you don't drink them? That's...unusual

Octavia64 · 13/02/2025 15:29

My ex-DIL has autism

We both worked quite hard at building the relationship. There were times I upset her and times she upset me but we mostly got through it.

They're not together anymore.

I wouldn't want to post any of the stories because honestly autism.

pikkumyy77 · 13/02/2025 15:25

LadysMantle · 13/02/2025 12:34

At 3.17 pm most people are at work. You sound as if you have a bit of a persecution complex! Nearly all IL clashes are down to, as you say yourself, differences in norms between families, and people being thrust into a semi-familial relationship with people they would never choose to have in their lives, rather than anyone being actively malicious.

My DS is only 12, so I’m nowhere near the DIL/SIL stage, but I can tell you exactly what my (very nice, but terminally unimaginative) MIL’s beefs are with all of her three DILs.

She finds her French DIL ‘too grand’, ‘chilly’, and thinks she doesn’t make enough food when she and FIL visit them. I understand what she means, but it’s largely cultural misunderstanding. My SIL is reserved, formal in manner, grew up in a small chateau, is horrified by the vast amounts of processed food and meat served at PILs, and is ready to die from how hot their house is kept when they visit (from overseas, so overnight stays necessary, so she deals with it now by no longer ever visiting, ever, under the guise of work.)

Her second DIL she blames for a longtime rift with her son (who is estranged from the whole family, did a lot of prison time, and seems to have considerable MH issues) — she may have a point, but the initial rift predates him meeting his now-wife, and their wedding actually involved a brief thaw. I get that MIL is very sad about not seeing those grandsons, but it’s a lot more to do with her son’s poor MH than who he married, as far as I can judge. From a distance, as we haven’t seen this BIL and SIL in over 20 years.

I am too career-minded, not house-proud enough, and am a dead loss because I’m not interested in sport. Plus I ‘took DH away’ by studying and working overseas. She also can’t get past me having one child by choice when she had seven. I remain very fond of her, as DH’s mother, but she is terribly tactless and unable to put herself in other people’s shoes. She’s said and done fairly awful things on a number of occasions down the decades.

BUT the reason I am the only one of her DILs who is in regular contact, and makes a point of taking DS to see her when DH is away, is because I am a flexible, imaginative person. I can see that her early life (eldest of 13, very poor, lots of problems) meant that she had to become a battleaxe to survive. She had no opportunities, no education, she was taken out of school at 12 and had three children by her 21st birthday in two rooms over a shop. A sensitive, imaginative person wouldn’t have battled through.

I could list genuinely hurtful things she’s done to me down the years, but none of them were malicious, just thoughtless. I just don’t register as ‘readable’ as a personality for her (similarly poor background, and eldest of a large family, but the age difference meant I was able to get to university on scholarships and escape.) I understand her, she can’t understand me, so I am the one making the effort to keep the show on the road in DH’s absence. Even though I’m not the DIL she would have liked. None of her DILs are.

Edited

Such a beautiful post!

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:23

LeCygneNoir · 13/02/2025 15:02

@HomeTheatreSystem she may simply just want to alienate the PIL in preference of her own family. Which is awful, but certainly happens.

If my son is happy with this I'll leave him to it. Door always open obvs.
Maybe I'm used to it though having 4 brothers, who are all just off doing their own thing.

WeAllHaveWings · 13/02/2025 15:23

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 12:48

Because he was scared of her reaction! He always said, as I mentioned earlier, that DH was putting him in an awkward position by suggesting that DiL’s behaviour was inappropriate.

Then he is either in a very abusive relationship or using "scared" as an immature excuse for not discussing and getting involved/helping with the birthday day plans for his dc, probably weeks ago, when they were being set out and expecting her to think of and do everything. You will know the answer to that.

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 15:20

CurlewKate · 13/02/2025 14:41

I find it very strange that posters who are convinced all MILs are vile seem to forget that they will be MILs in the not too distant future!!

True, and the simplest solution is maintain a good relationship with your son, whereby you can both be honest. If i'm told I am overstepping or not doing enough I won't have a tantrum and go off in a huff about it.

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 15:04

longdistanceclaraaa · 13/02/2025 14:59

Not the point of this story of course, but I can't help but note the casual sexism that it was only the DIL who seemed to be ordering the MIL to clean the house. Another son getting off scot-free in the both the domestic duties in his own home and with the household relationship with his own mother.

That’s part of the ingrained issue isn’t it everytime.

It’s always the newcomers (dils) fault in the eyes of the parents/step parents. It’s never their own child’s fault, their adult child is basically always under the thumb controlled and ruled by this big scary person who manages every second of their lives.

Those women are stealing these incapable men away from their families, or rather these men are picking women they like, love and enjoy company with who’s morals / wants / desires match theirs as best as possible.

The original family unit is no longer “required” to fill all the gaps his now girlfriend/fiancée/wife does. Basically the man uses his family with his version of himself he shows them and then drops them and reveals his true self.

Yes yes I know in a few cases the women’s a mega cow who is genuinely controlling her part but it’s not as frequent as Mils claiming it is. But the wife’s an easy target and scapegoat.

Timetoheal4good · 13/02/2025 15:02

A family member of mine watched their GC every week. But was asked to meet at a restaurant or in the carpark at the end of the day and not to visit at their home. The reason was that the family member was 'interfering'. Not interfering enough to pass up on the weekly childcare though.

Another family members DIL won't ever use clothing or pass on gifts bought from our side of the family. Will often pass up invitations to visit but there appears to be no issue other than this.

It's strange because my ex-MIL has quite a lot of opinions (don't all of us?) and is, at times, infuriating but it doesn't detract from how truly fantastic she is as a Gran. She would have also done anything for us as a couple when we were together. So I think sometimes (not in all cases!!) you just need to learn that whether they have opinions or not, you don't need to pay any heed to them?

Crikeyalmighty · 13/02/2025 15:02

I suspect my FIL might say I'm a bit forthright with opinions - for instance he has 2 relatives who have kept council places whilst owning other places outright - probably not illegal given lifelong tendencies ( although I think it should be) but given one of thems very right wing views is to me tantamount to taking housing from those actually in need. if I think something is a bit off, I will say so - but I think that's all he could level at me.

LeCygneNoir · 13/02/2025 15:02

@HomeTheatreSystem she may simply just want to alienate the PIL in preference of her own family. Which is awful, but certainly happens.

longdistanceclaraaa · 13/02/2025 14:59

graceinspace999 · 13/02/2025 14:37

Ok I’m my story the MIL is long dead.

Her daughter-in-law used to get her to clean her house because she and her husband were so busy . She gave MIL a key to let herself in while she was out.

Sadly the MIL did it to keep the peace and because she, although lovely, was easy to manipulate.

One day she went in and heard the sound of vigorous sex.

Embarrassed, she went to leave as quickly as she could only to hear her DIL passionately calling out ‘harder Freddie, harder!!’

Her son was called Peter…

Not the point of this story of course, but I can't help but note the casual sexism that it was only the DIL who seemed to be ordering the MIL to clean the house. Another son getting off scot-free in the both the domestic duties in his own home and with the household relationship with his own mother.

DysmalRadius · 13/02/2025 14:46

The comparison doesn't really work because parents in law are just what you get when you meet and marry someone you love (hopefully) whereas a daughter or son in law is someone chosen by your child and how they treat you reflects on your child as well.

If your DIL is being a dick and your son (or step-son in this case) goes along with it, then your primary problem is with the child you've raised.

My mil is lovely and we get on well but if I was rude or unpleasant towards her it would be my husband's problem as well as hers and he be livid with me! Blaming your DIL for a situation that was just as much your step son's fault just seems like a deflection for the fact he is just as bad!