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In light of another thread what is the ‘Worst thing daughter/son in-law has ever said or done to you?

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HaloTRI · 12/02/2025 15:17

There are always two sides to every story!

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mrschocolatte · 18/02/2025 05:39

My MIL and I were having a conversation a few months ago about things we had said and done to each other over the years that we had been hurt by. So I thought I would share what she told me was an awful thing I said to her.
About 15 years ago DH and I went on holiday to Cornwall for a week. It was a one bed apartment with a sofa bed in the lounge. For some mad reason I invited PILs to come down and spend a few days with us. They never seemed to go anywhere themselves and had always wanted to visit that part of the world so my younger and eager to please self thought it would be a great idea for them to come and stay with us. I was really excited when they arrived. PILs had loads of questions about the place and things we had done on our first few days. I cooked dinner that night with MIL watching on asking me questions constantly about what I was doing and why. After I finished cooking and dished up MIL told me she didn’t like what I had cooked. That’s fine, if a little annoying.
On the second day we took them to The Eden Project. And the questions kept on coming. The one that made my eyes pop and fizzle was why a group of people had a different colour sticker on their jackets to us. In the car back to the apartment the questions kept on coming, just a constant stream of ‘why, why’ why’ and I snapped. I retorted back to MIL it was like having a pair of kids in the back of the car. Silence ensued. We did talk about other things that night but the next morning a visibly upset MIL told us she and FIL were heading home early as they needed to get back. I never questioned it, because I was genuinely happy for them to go at this point. In 15 years we have never spoken about that holiday until our recent conversation and MIL told me that I had upset her so much with my retort she couldn’t stay with us any longer and cried all the way home back to London.

pikkumyy77 · 18/02/2025 03:21

Well you don’t know why she went to bed. You think it was because of something free floating and ill defined—miasma or disrespect—but if she took to her bed she either had a perfectly good reason or she really dislikes you snd was refusing to host you.

HaloTRI · 17/02/2025 20:59

MonetWaterlilies · 17/02/2025 20:47

If that family member had a migraine, bad period pain or was just exhausted then yes, I would be sympathetic and absolutely fine with it.

I would feel terrible if I thought that someone that dragged themselves out of bed just because I was visiting

All this talk of 'good manners' makes you sound like you have very old fashioned values. And that you value yourself and your wishes above the comfort of other people.

You are really not coming across well here.

If that family member had a migraine, bad period pain or was just exhausted then yes, I would be sympathetic and absolutely fine with it.
I would feel terrible if I thought that someone that dragged themselves out of bed just because I was visiting

And so would I...but she didn’t.

And I'm not coming across well…because we expect good manners….right oh…😆

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MonetWaterlilies · 17/02/2025 20:47

HaloTRI · 17/02/2025 19:42

So you would make a 4-5 hour round trip, for the day, to spend time with family and would be fine that your family member had gone to bed for the afternoon.

I'm pleased I have brought my children up with good manners.

If that family member had a migraine, bad period pain or was just exhausted then yes, I would be sympathetic and absolutely fine with it.

I would feel terrible if I thought that someone that dragged themselves out of bed just because I was visiting

All this talk of 'good manners' makes you sound like you have very old fashioned values. And that you value yourself and your wishes above the comfort of other people.

You are really not coming across well here.

HaloTRI · 17/02/2025 19:42

MonetWaterlilies · 15/02/2025 10:32

'Disapointed' in your DIL being asleep.

That's so passive aggressive.

So you would make a 4-5 hour round trip, for the day, to spend time with family and would be fine that your family member had gone to bed for the afternoon.

I'm pleased I have brought my children up with good manners.

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MonetWaterlilies · 15/02/2025 10:32

'Disapointed' in your DIL being asleep.

That's so passive aggressive.

HaloTRI · 14/02/2025 09:01

Motnight · 13/02/2025 23:08

@TheAmusedQuail I got told off for giving a DIL's point of view! Be careful!

Absolutely (and @TheAmusedQuail ). You have plenty of MiL threads to contribute to.😂

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HaloTRI · 14/02/2025 08:59

Househunter2025 · 13/02/2025 22:01

You may not be the mil but you're the one complaining about your step Dil! I don't see her father in law moaning on here.

My mother would also find a nap rude if she was visiting. I agree it's not "etiquette" to do this, on the other hand, it's not that bad either, it's not harmful to you, you presumably came mainly to see your son anyway. It's probably a generational thing where the older generation thinks they deserve respect but the younger generation thinks they should be more flexible. When I was young and we visited grandparents we sat nicely on the sofa with our feet on the floor and waited to be spoken to. My kids are likely to be charging round my parents house causing chaos. On the other hand my kids absolutely love my parents whereas I never moved beyond stiff pleasantries with my grandparents. You can't have it both ways. Either you make yourself pleasant and easy going and they continue to invite you round. Or you make a big deal out of inconsequential things and criticise your son's wife and expect them both to do what you want, and they will not want to see you as much. The days are gone when you could command respect just because you are older.

Do you understand that by asking your son to wake up his wife you were criticising his wife and trying to come between them? That is exactly the kind of thing that will cause her to dislike you. Whatever you privately think of her behaviour, keep it to yourself and don't try to get your son on your side. It's not up to him to try to improve her manners to your standards.

I don't see her father in law moaning on here.

He isn't on MN (here) 😂 but was disappointed at the time. Not something he expected to happen.

I go back to ‘differences in expectation’. Yes we hoped that after driving for two hours to see DiL and SDS for the day, that we would spend time together before we drove home ( another two hours), rather than her going up to bed, whilst we were there. We left at 17.00, it isn't as if it were late.

I don't think that is an out of the ordinary view to want to share some time, when we had been invited, arrangements made and we had travelled over.

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Motnight · 13/02/2025 23:08

TheAmusedQuail · 13/02/2025 21:52

Since no one is really slagging the DIL's off, I'll offer a couple about me as a DIL. My MIL and I didn't get on.

Once she came to visit unannounced while my husband was out. The front door was locked and the curtains not open. So I sneaked downstairs, made sure the backdoor was also firmly locked and crept back upstairs. And stayed there until she'd gone.

Her house wasn't clean, so whenever I went over there (as infrequently as possible) I'd take my own bowl and cutlery to feed my DS with.

We were trying to find a house to buy and actually found one near my MIL. It was the first house we'd found I actually liked, but no way was I going to live near her.

She used to bitch about me to my SIL and about my SIL to me. And my SIL and I would get together and tell each other what she'd said about us.

@TheAmusedQuail I got told off for giving a DIL's point of view! Be careful!

Househunter2025 · 13/02/2025 22:01

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 21:10

Yes, we considered all of that too.

Like you, we try and justify by different expectations.

I suppose we looked at it the other way, invited to visit but that it would be rude of us to leave without saying goodbye.

I must say my DC’s would know it was rude to invite someone to visit, with a two hour drive, then go to bed for most of the time they were there.

She wasn't asleep when we left, just didn't want to come down.
They didn't have any children at that point.
Her mum had a key to the house and did the cleaning.
DSS was the cook, if her mum didn't have food ready.

You are trying hard to make this about me, don't forget I am not the MiL!😂

You may not be the mil but you're the one complaining about your step Dil! I don't see her father in law moaning on here.

My mother would also find a nap rude if she was visiting. I agree it's not "etiquette" to do this, on the other hand, it's not that bad either, it's not harmful to you, you presumably came mainly to see your son anyway. It's probably a generational thing where the older generation thinks they deserve respect but the younger generation thinks they should be more flexible. When I was young and we visited grandparents we sat nicely on the sofa with our feet on the floor and waited to be spoken to. My kids are likely to be charging round my parents house causing chaos. On the other hand my kids absolutely love my parents whereas I never moved beyond stiff pleasantries with my grandparents. You can't have it both ways. Either you make yourself pleasant and easy going and they continue to invite you round. Or you make a big deal out of inconsequential things and criticise your son's wife and expect them both to do what you want, and they will not want to see you as much. The days are gone when you could command respect just because you are older.

Do you understand that by asking your son to wake up his wife you were criticising his wife and trying to come between them? That is exactly the kind of thing that will cause her to dislike you. Whatever you privately think of her behaviour, keep it to yourself and don't try to get your son on your side. It's not up to him to try to improve her manners to your standards.

TheAmusedQuail · 13/02/2025 21:52

Since no one is really slagging the DIL's off, I'll offer a couple about me as a DIL. My MIL and I didn't get on.

Once she came to visit unannounced while my husband was out. The front door was locked and the curtains not open. So I sneaked downstairs, made sure the backdoor was also firmly locked and crept back upstairs. And stayed there until she'd gone.

Her house wasn't clean, so whenever I went over there (as infrequently as possible) I'd take my own bowl and cutlery to feed my DS with.

We were trying to find a house to buy and actually found one near my MIL. It was the first house we'd found I actually liked, but no way was I going to live near her.

She used to bitch about me to my SIL and about my SIL to me. And my SIL and I would get together and tell each other what she'd said about us.

JudgeJ · 13/02/2025 21:35

CurlewKate · 13/02/2025 14:41

I find it very strange that posters who are convinced all MILs are vile seem to forget that they will be MILs in the not too distant future!!

But they'll make marvellous MILs as they have all been on the receiving end of poor behaviour although as they don't think their sons are adult before 25 they will no doubt need to keep an eye on their 'little family'!

Examconfusion · 13/02/2025 21:34

wizzywig · 13/02/2025 11:58

I haven't been great as a dil, quite immature. I own it. She is great as a mother to my husband. We have both struggled with finding our roles and never resolved it. Grandkids (my kids) have missed out on that side of the family as the inlaws think women are the ones who should sort all that out. I have a lot of respect for her. But I can't be around her.

Don't get this at all!

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 21:20

I would be mad at dh if he went off for a nap my Parents or his. For two different reasons but either way unless sick it’s rude.

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 21:10

Househunter2025 · 13/02/2025 20:49

I really don't think it's that dreadful to have an afternoon nap - she might be tired from being up with young children or long hours at work. Asking your son to wake her up to say goodbye is passive aggressive. You sound excessively formal - these people are your family. I would also be wondering if your son was pulling his weight, if she is so tired

Yes, we considered all of that too.

Like you, we try and justify by different expectations.

I suppose we looked at it the other way, invited to visit but that it would be rude of us to leave without saying goodbye.

I must say my DC’s would know it was rude to invite someone to visit, with a two hour drive, then go to bed for most of the time they were there.

She wasn't asleep when we left, just didn't want to come down.
They didn't have any children at that point.
Her mum had a key to the house and did the cleaning.
DSS was the cook, if her mum didn't have food ready.

You are trying hard to make this about me, don't forget I am not the MiL!😂

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Househunter2025 · 13/02/2025 20:49

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 18:34

No, it was her usual Sunday to return from church, eat her lunch and go to bed! We accepted that, but did ask if she were getting up to say goodbye before we left. SDSS said again that we were making things awkward by asking him to ask her. So we left without.
You don't need to make excuses for her!

Actually this thread has turned into a much more refreshing, reasonable and rounded discussion about differences in families. More of an emphasis on acceptance and trying hard to build relationships.

None of the MiL thread standard advice of ‘go NC’ for the slightest thing. 😂

I really don't think it's that dreadful to have an afternoon nap - she might be tired from being up with young children or long hours at work. Asking your son to wake her up to say goodbye is passive aggressive. You sound excessively formal - these people are your family. I would also be wondering if your son was pulling his weight, if she is so tired

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 20:05

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 18:57

That’s interesting part again isn’t it.

People don’t seem to have issues with son in laws. Unless you’ve got a major arse of one.

It’s always the mother and daughter in law relationship never the father and daughter in law either. One women vs another.

Of course both women could be terribly controlling with a mother who can’t stand her little boy being a man with his own home and family and a new wife who can’t stand to share even an hour of her husbands time to the other women in her eyes.

It cant even be being raised differently
otherwise the sons in laws should have these big problems and father in laws.

Yes sadly, appears to be to do with female relationships.

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Househunter2025 · 13/02/2025 20:05

HaloTRI · 12/02/2025 15:28

Mine was my step son and daughter in law inviting us to our DGD first birthday, a two and a half hour drive away.

When we arrived at the venue, armed with gifts, our DiL announced ‘this isn't her real birthday or party, that is next week’. Clearly we weren't invited.

We sat with DiL’s family, waiting for the birthday tea and the cake with candles to be lit/cut, and when my DH asked DSS and DiL what time everyone was eating, we were told ‘everyone has had the food, M&S is across the road if you need to buy anything!’.

Quietly we went and bought a sandwich and drove the two and a half hours home!

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Have to say this is absolutely typical mother in law behaviour - blaming Dil for something that is just as much their son's fault.

pikkumyy77 · 13/02/2025 18:57

My aunt is law used to visit my grandparents with two tiny children, one of whom had undiagnosed SENas this was sixty years ago, and would instantly collapse and throw her back out and need to rest. Thats not because she was a bad DIL or a bad guest but because she was run ragged by hr useless husband (my uncle) and the two kids. As soon as she knew she could lie down and the kids wouldnt die of neglect from mr professor of marxist philosophy she would just unconsciously relax enough to collapse. We loved her and really didn’t take it as a kind of lese majestè (sorry can’t remember where the accent goes) if she couldn’t get u and perform host or guest duties appropriately.

UndermyShoeJoe · 13/02/2025 18:57

That’s interesting part again isn’t it.

People don’t seem to have issues with son in laws. Unless you’ve got a major arse of one.

It’s always the mother and daughter in law relationship never the father and daughter in law either. One women vs another.

Of course both women could be terribly controlling with a mother who can’t stand her little boy being a man with his own home and family and a new wife who can’t stand to share even an hour of her husbands time to the other women in her eyes.

It cant even be being raised differently
otherwise the sons in laws should have these big problems and father in laws.

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 18:44

lovingmememe · 13/02/2025 15:53

Nothing to add my son inlaw to be is lovely.
He loves my son very much and he gets on with me we have a right laugh.
Me and his mum are are helping with their wedding planning at the moment we all get on like a house on fire.

I must say, I agree with this.

My son’s husband is the easiest of all of our DiL’s/ to be’s Such an easy, relaxed, non territorial, equal relationship.
No second guessing, no preferential treatment of one ‘inlaw’ family over another. Very straightforward.

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HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 18:34

MonetWaterlilies · 13/02/2025 16:11

Maybe she was ill?

I mean on the occasion that she went to bed in the afternoon.

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No, it was her usual Sunday to return from church, eat her lunch and go to bed! We accepted that, but did ask if she were getting up to say goodbye before we left. SDSS said again that we were making things awkward by asking him to ask her. So we left without.
You don't need to make excuses for her!

Actually this thread has turned into a much more refreshing, reasonable and rounded discussion about differences in families. More of an emphasis on acceptance and trying hard to build relationships.

None of the MiL thread standard advice of ‘go NC’ for the slightest thing. 😂

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weegiemum · 13/02/2025 18:33

When we got engaged, dh phoned his mum to let her know (we were a days travel away and didn't have time to visit to pass on the news).

She burst into tears - and they weren't happy tears! She was distraught at the thought of him marrying me and never going "home" (we live in Scotland and he's from Belfast). He was never going back with or without me, made up his mind years ago!

Next time he visited her he sat her down and pretty much said if you don't want me to marry weegie you won't be seeing much of me either - and after that things were ok. I redeemed myself by providing 3 wonderful grandchildren and we get on just fine these days!

pikkumyy77 · 13/02/2025 18:25

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 18:19

It isn't my son ( if you read the thread) and my DH did ( also already commented on 🤷‍♀️)

You were both guests of your dh’s son, not of the DIL. The DIL was a bad host but the real connection between you and that household is your DSS/DH’s DS. If he never learned his to be a good, caring, son is it because his upbringing was poor? Is he angry at his dad for something? Or poorly raised by dad and mum?

HaloTRI · 13/02/2025 18:19

BeGoldHedgehog · 13/02/2025 13:06

Which asks the question, how come you can't just ask your son?
I hope I will have the sort of relationship where I can ask, am I overstepping or do you just want to do your own thing and I'll send a card in the post.

It isn't my son ( if you read the thread) and my DH did ( also already commented on 🤷‍♀️)

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