To think being on benefits might be better than working

Seriously 😳 living on benefits isn't a luxury and I will say you will be stressed even more stressed because you don't get a pot to piss in quite rightly your able to work if you don't like your job go find a new one op ffs

It is not possible to quit your job and go on benefits because you don't like working.

I dislike the idea of funding your benefits just because you dislike working.

Possibly because they are married to that man, and know that if that husband decides to up and leave them, they will at least be entitled to half the marital assets, including the home. Most of my generation did this initially when DC were born, and I'd say most went back to work PT, when family life became easier. The couple who continued to be SAHM, seem happy enough.

I found the lwrca process horrible. I went through it three times and the only reason I was awarded it in the end was because of an accident that caused a significant physical disability.

I was put into the lwc category first for three months but I appealed. I was also repeatedly asked what my recovery time would be - I knew the person doing the assessment really grudged giving me anything.

What I would say is take it as far as you can - a high percentage of decisions get overturned at tribunal.

I was turned down for LCWRA because I could plan a bus/train journey. The fact my agoraphobia meant I wouldn't leave the house to make said journey was irrelevant

Its not possible to get PIP these days without either a face to face or telephone assessment and you have to submit medical evidence as well. Some disabilities are very well hidden, particularly mental health.

If she's playing the system then she's doing it with the help of professionals - because you don't just fill the form in and get a decision. You have to back up what you are saying in writing. Plus people get reviewed as well. Very few people get lifetime awards of PIP.

Your conditions aren't also what gets you Pip. It's how they affect your life day to day. It's also not that easy to score full points - if you look at the questions they ask. Being able to dress and undress yourself will score you zero points. Being able to walk 200 metres without stopping - same.

The last time I went through the lwrca process I was on anti anxiety medication. I was on anti depressants, I had a ptsd diagnosis. I was scored zero points for mental health because apparently the fact that I can talk to a cashier in a supermarket meant I was fit to work.

It's possible that your relative has recovered from the issues she had and hasn't told the dwp - but it's very unlikely that she wasn't entitled to anything in the first place.

Thank you. I don't know I hope so but I doubt it motivates them despite the enjoyment of my work it's stressful they know I find both joy and stress from it haha, at the same time I feel I don't give them enough of my time due to work. Its sad really isn't it I'm sure most parents feel that way. I try my best at the weekends holidays. I will say the couple I mention are loving parents I feel I have been a bit harsh but my comments are not meant in that respect.

Pip is so hard to get I know because another family member who needs it is trying. Maybe it's another benefit but I know they have carers allowance for her. I don't know too much about benefits. I'm pretty sure you get you council tax covered or massively reduced. All I'm saying is they are not struggling but working people are struggling. And I'm telling you they are playing the system. Pip does suffer fraud but the percentage is low because it's now even harder to get they have been at it for years well she has.

As someone else said - if someone is entitled to adp or Pip - they get it. It's the same with universal credit - if someone is entitled they'll get it - the dwp don't say no you aren't getting it because someone else made a fraudulent claim. I believe most of the PIP fraud comes from people who have been entitled and who haven't reported a change of circumstances when their health issues have changed. And if someone has claimed when they should not have the dwp will recover over payments.

The number of genuine cases of PIP fraud is tiny according to the dwp.
Also. When I claimed adp I had to show hospital letters, consultants letters, fit notes - was more than just a form filling exercise.

No, that is not how it works. You could cut fraud down to zero, and the genuine claimants would still get the same.
If someone is entitled to benefits, then they get them. They are not turned down due to lack of money or other people claiming when they should not be.

I'm pretty sure they are!! There is a 'pot' for benefits, like there is for everything. If people are cheating the system (stealing) then there will be less to go around.

Figures at July 24 showed that PIP fraud was running at 0.5 per cent. Out of 3.5 million people claiming 17500 claims were found to be fraudulent - there are far more people claiming benefits like UC and housing benefit fraudulently than there are people claiming disability benefits.

I probably look "completely able" - if you saw me. Some disabilities aren't visible. Particularly mental health. Also -both Pip and adult disability payment are in work benefits. People on lwrca can also work as long as their work doesn't contradict their reason for getting benefits. People making fraudulent claims aren't taking benefits from people who need. If someone is unsuccessful at getting Pip they have the right to go to mandatory reconsideration and then tribunal. They can also reapply. I almost didn't go to tribunal with lwcra. I thought what is the point.
Pip claims also need to be backed up with evidence. It's not just a case of filling in the forms. There's also a forward test for Pip and ADP which means your condition has to be long term (which is why some people won't qualify).

No, people that are claiming fraudulently are not taking from people that are not. That is not how it works.

The people I have mentioned are completely able but have played the system. I also stated it wouldn't be morally right did you read all of my comments or just that part. Some people need those benefits and people who don't are taking from those that actually do

I have known people to be done for benefit fraud... they have been people who said they lived alone when they didn't, and people who hid savings.
Not known anyone to be accused of faking illness/disability etc.

Also, people keep on comparing working to making fraudulent benefits claims. If you wanted to commit fraud, why not take an injury at work, take load of sick leave and sue your employer? Or embezzle the business you work for? Or commit tax fraud - after all, tax fraud costs over 6 times the amount that benefit fraud does.

You are not comparing like for like though.
If you are able mind/bodied and working, then your comparison to someone claiming benefit will be someone on job seekers, or who has work search commitments. They will not be on benefits that are anyway near what you earn.

People keep comparing their able bodied/mind selves that work to people that have disabilities and are not able to work.
Apples and oranges.

It's quite infuriating considering me and my husband work full time yet have more to pay out and have very little benefit from it for additional extras. Each to their own opinion but the system isn't right. I have one family member who actually needs support but can't seem to get anywhere pip seem to be really difficult to deal with. Whereas the brothers husband has been playing the system for years perhaps the other family member could take it on advisement.

I have similar experiences as well.

Epitomises the unfairness of the system and the misuse and abuse of the welfare state.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

In Scotland I believe you are exempt from council tax if on a low income but you pay the water charge. My council tax is around 80 quid a month but when I paid it I paid around 22 a month because I was on UC. I'm currently exempt as I'm doing a degree part time online and if you do 90 credits or more for more than 24 weeks consecutively you can get a council tax exemption.

If you were a single person on Job seekers in my area you would get £733 a month inc housing allowance for a room in a shared house. Rent on a room in a shared house would be £600 a month. Leaving £30 a week for bills, food, clothes, transport, toiletries, haircuts and everything else. If you could comfortably live on £30 a week, knock yourself out.

Where I live, and up until a couple of years ago, anyone on ESA or UC (in LCW/LCWRA) got full CT paid. When I applied last year, I was liable for 80% of it.