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Lavenderfarmcottage · 11/02/2025 18:14

Hello, yes, me again…

I just want to be upfront that I think I am depressed and am in a dark place in my life.
I’m fully aware that my thought processes are slightly skewed & a little weird. It’s just something that occured to me, that all these airplane crashes are linked maybe. Am I the only crazy person here ?

I know I’m going down a rabbit hole but I can’t help but feel the airplane crashes are a bizarre coincidence.

A military flight with US soldiers Phillipines
Alaska flight crash
Medical flight crash
Black hawk crash into Kansas flight to Washington DC

I found this article about the rise of hacking of airplane computers
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2025/01/03/you-can-no-longer-fully-trust-your-onboard-systems-pilots-say-airline-hacking-attacks-now-a-daily-problem/

I know it’s conspiratorial but can we really rule out there’s not a connection to so many recent crashes ? If not hacking then something else ?

My thoughts and prayers are with the families. I know many people will find this post in poor taste but I don’t see it like that. If it was my relative I’d want the world to be shocked, dismayed and discussing this. I’d want media glare on this issue and pressure on government for answers.

Maybe it is all just a coincidence but so many fatal crashes in the one country is fairly unusual ?

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Mielikki · 12/02/2025 18:40

Jamming is the standard terminology for overwhelming a signal with a more powerful signal in order to disrupt a service: GPS jamming is achieved by using a transmitter on the same frequencies as the legitimate signal to overwhelm the receiver - this is easily achieved as the GPS signal (like all satellite transmissions) is relatively weak.

The article linked specifically mentions GPS - I pointed out that GPS is not the sole means of navigation for commercial aircraft to reassure the OP that loss of GPS does not affect the safety of commercial flights.

I have no idea what you mean by 'back to the drawing board for you'.

The origin of my username is easily searchable.

Audiprettier · 12/02/2025 15:50

Mielikki · 11/02/2025 19:14

Also, the article linked is incorrect. GPS is not 'hacked'. It is jammed. You can buy a short range jammer for a couple hundred quid, and ones with long enough range to jam aircraft reception for a couple thousand on Aliexpress. Of course the Russians have military-spec ones with ranges of hundreds of kms.

But as I said, commercial aircraft do not rely primarily on GPS - it's basically a backup to the main navigation system (inertial navigation) which does not rely on any external signals and therefore cannot be jammed.

I thought this was hilarious! Just love your rhetoric...
Jamming! Try harder, jamming is more about squeezing something into a small space! And nobody mentioned GPS being solely responsible (you've said all this before haven't you?).
Back to the drawing board for you.
Nice name btw.
Is it Finnish maybe or Russian? 💐

Malbecfan · 11/02/2025 20:18

OP I suggest you watch Mentour Pilot or Blancolirio on YouTube. Both explain in technical terms why various aircraft have crashed (or why they didn't). Petter at Mentour Pilot did a great video a few weeks ago about 4 incidents which should have been fatal but weren't, due to the skill and expertise of the crew. One was the "Miracle on the Hudson" which was turned into a film.

Statistics prove that the most dangerous part of a trip overseas is a car journey to the airport. Please try not to worry.

DrBlackbird · 11/02/2025 19:55

Op look at this website https://www.flightradar24.com/4.99,-23.51/2

See how many flights are currently in the air this very minute. Probability alone tells us there will be some crashes. It’s a testimony to the aviation industry that there aren’t more!

Airplane crashed due to hacking
FumingTRex · 11/02/2025 19:32

Small aircraft crashes do not make national news usually, the medical flight very sadly came down in a populated area and was newsworthy due to being soon after the black hawk crash. The only one i think could be hacking or nefarious activity is the black hawk one , but equally mistakes happen and mechanical failures happen,

endlesscraziness · 11/02/2025 19:20

The medical crash would not have made international news without the DC crash. A paramedic I knew died in an air crash in California and it didn't even make national news. Media furore plus coincidence and that's it

BigDecisionWorthIt · 11/02/2025 19:19

Sorry, but I'm i think it is very much a rabbit hole and conspiracy-esque.

It is an unlucky coincidence. But if you read around each one, there isn't a full connection.
Some bits will be withheld, anything military based will have a security classification to it.

Just looking at a few of them.

The Phillipines crash was a US contract ISR plane. This will likely be a small aircraft, probably similar in size to the Beechcraft King Air.
Reading initial reports the two likely occurances are a mechanical/engine error or it was flying low enough to be hit by militants with manpads.

The Black Hawk was already mentioned as training/evacuation drills which went wrong. Airspace wasn't deconflicted properly and the Black Hawk would have been operating at the wrong flight level.

The Alaska one again was a small light aircraft that potentially with the weather and low visibility at the time shouldn't have been cleared to fly. A sudden loss of altitude would likely be from a mechanical/engine issue.

Medical flight crashed literally a minute after take off. Not enough yet about that.

The big connection is complacency and errors.

Anything GPS hack based would be military grade equipment and would impact all aircraft on a set wavelength within quite a large range ring around the equipment.

Hearmenow23 · 11/02/2025 19:19

The new series "Zero Day" looks interesting and is based on a similar premise. It's on Netflix soon.

Mielikki · 11/02/2025 19:14

Also, the article linked is incorrect. GPS is not 'hacked'. It is jammed. You can buy a short range jammer for a couple hundred quid, and ones with long enough range to jam aircraft reception for a couple thousand on Aliexpress. Of course the Russians have military-spec ones with ranges of hundreds of kms.

But as I said, commercial aircraft do not rely primarily on GPS - it's basically a backup to the main navigation system (inertial navigation) which does not rely on any external signals and therefore cannot be jammed.

Audiprettier · 11/02/2025 19:05

Lavenderfarmcottage · 11/02/2025 18:19

I know but there’s been 3 fatal crashes in the space of 2 weeks

I'm with you on this. A few years ago a particular group said what they would do to cause er...chaos (chose a 'soft' word there). And a lot of it seems to be happening! Take banks for example... suddenly crashing fairly frequently. Drinking water another one. I could go on .
Sorry you're feeling down...for goodness sake avoid X !
Take care x

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 19:04

@ARainyNightInSoho
Ground News, it's a great app for critical thinking and seeing how differently the media cover the same story according to their bias.

Toddlerhelpplease123 · 11/02/2025 19:00

As someone who once managed to induce a psychosis from running down rabbit holes; all I will say is..

It could be true, it could be not. But how does this serve you?

That’s a mantra I live by now and I think is the core reason I managed to recover and stay on the sane side 😅

Dont go chasing! Especially if you recognise your outlook is less than robust right now (ie. You mention Depressed/ dark/ crazy).

ShinyAppleDreamingOfTheSea · 11/02/2025 18:57

As a nervous flyer I don't find this idea helpful .

ARainyNightInSoho · 11/02/2025 18:54

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:44

I use a news app that shows the same news story from different perspectives, across different political spectrums, across the world and shows who is funding the media. It's enlightening.

I’d love to get that app. What is it called?

Mielikki · 11/02/2025 18:48

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:38

The media is withholding a great deal at the moment, it's not a conspiracy theory to wonder what is being interfered with. I suspect the answer will be a little more mundane but in this geopolitical hot bed of times, really who knows.

Amazing how all these tens of thousands of people, all working for rival organisations, and all not exactly known for being able to keep secrets (journalists are the biggest blabbermouths and gossips there are) are somehow in on this one huge secret (whatever that is).

Mielikki · 11/02/2025 18:46

GPS 'hacking' does not cause crashes. It just results in the onboard GPS system reporting the plane to be somewhere it isn't, or not being able to report a position at all. Pilots do not rely on GPS alone or even primarily (they use inertial navigation as their primary navigation system), and they do not use GPS at all for landing/takeoff, such as happened with the Washington incident.

It's like when you are driving - GPS is nice to have, but if it goes haywire, or shows you to be travelling on the other side of the country, it doesn't result in you crashing does it?

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:45

Ground News

hopeishere · 11/02/2025 18:45

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:44

I use a news app that shows the same news story from different perspectives, across different political spectrums, across the world and shows who is funding the media. It's enlightening.

What app is that? Sounds very interesting.

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:44

I use a news app that shows the same news story from different perspectives, across different political spectrums, across the world and shows who is funding the media. It's enlightening.

Hazeby · 11/02/2025 18:43

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:38

The media is withholding a great deal at the moment, it's not a conspiracy theory to wonder what is being interfered with. I suspect the answer will be a little more mundane but in this geopolitical hot bed of times, really who knows.

Who is ‘the media’? The BBC, The Times, The Daily Mail, The Guardian, ITV, Sky, The Sun….? All the hundreds of people who work at those organisations are colluding to hide something?

Cosmosforbreakfast · 11/02/2025 18:42

Op have you spoken to you GP or sought any help for whatever is causing this dark place you're in? You might be better off focusing on yourself instead of world news. I think we hear more nowadays about plane crashes and other accidents that we wouldn't know about pre internet. There are so many social media outlets with all sorts of theories that it can be easy to caught up in it all. Please speak to someone about how you feel.

DreamW3aver · 11/02/2025 18:40

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:38

The media is withholding a great deal at the moment, it's not a conspiracy theory to wonder what is being interfered with. I suspect the answer will be a little more mundane but in this geopolitical hot bed of times, really who knows.

How do you know that? Why is everyone who knows this going along with it?

AccidentalTourism · 11/02/2025 18:38

The media is withholding a great deal at the moment, it's not a conspiracy theory to wonder what is being interfered with. I suspect the answer will be a little more mundane but in this geopolitical hot bed of times, really who knows.

biscuitsandbooks · 11/02/2025 18:36

Lavenderfarmcottage · 11/02/2025 18:34

Globally ?

Yes, globally.

But America is a big country with a huge amount of air traffic. Three crashes in two weeks is unusual but not massively out of the ordinary.

Lavenderfarmcottage · 11/02/2025 18:34

biscuitsandbooks · 11/02/2025 18:30

According to Wikipedia, there are around 100 incidents a year, so three in the space of two weeks is only slightly above average.

Around 400 people a year die in plane crashes.

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Globally ?

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