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To think this isn’t cliquey?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

OP posts:
username299 · 11/02/2025 17:55

lnks · 11/02/2025 17:51

It doesn't matter if nobody else can join them. OP tried for a long time. They didn't come. She does not owe them a friendship and she is allowed to develop friendships in smaller groups.

I haven't said at any point that the OP is not free to do whatever she likes. She can be friends with them, not be friends with them, go and live in a cave and give up all worldly goods.

She's asking if what's she's doing is cliquey. IMO being in a tight knit friendship group, no one else can join is cliquey.

CharityShopChic · 11/02/2025 17:52

Of course it's not cliquey - you are a group of friends which has evolved out of another larger group over time.

However there is a large number of socially awkward people who have this weird idea that the school run is where everyone is best buddies with everyone else, and if one mother in the class (and it;s always the mothers) is not devoting equal time to every other mother, then she's a cliquey stuck up bitch. Moving en masse as a group of 20+ people is unsustainable, arranging get togethers for that many there is always going to be people who aren't that keen, can't go and numbers dwindle.

Ignore the other mother who made the comment - speaks volumes about her own insecurities and attitudes, doesn't it?

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 11/02/2025 17:52

@TheIvyRestaurant it reads to me that this lady doesn't want to be part of a friendship group but is still resentful that you and your friends are. And calling it the clique on a class WhatsApp group is passive aggressive as fuck.

User79853257976 · 11/02/2025 17:52

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:02

You are a clique. You've separated yourselves from the rest and meet privately. It's difficult to approach a clique and just join in, so I'm not surprised that hasn't happened.

However, if people choose not to come to the larger events that's on them.

Don’t you think it gets a bit awkward after a while to keep inviting people who aren’t interested?

lnks · 11/02/2025 17:51

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:49

The large group was a friendship group; open to all. The small group is a clique. How can anyone else join them if they're in a separate group?

It doesn't matter if nobody else can join them. OP tried for a long time. They didn't come. She does not owe them a friendship and she is allowed to develop friendships in smaller groups.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 17:51

MySparklyGreyScroller · 11/02/2025 17:16

How have they separated themselves? And not that the others have refused to engage. I hate the general mn opinion on here that you’re a clique if you don’t go down the pick up line and give a verbal personal invitation to every single parent there. There’s absolutely nothing stopping other parents from inviting you and each other? Should these 6 parents never socialise then, just to not upset the others who don’t turn up anyway?

Should these 6 parents never socialise then, just to not upset the others who don’t turn up anyway?

This is my view. I don’t think people can complain they aren’t included after 3 years of it turning up to events they said they’d come to

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Ineedanewsofa · 11/02/2025 17:51

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 17:35

But why can’t we be friends just the six of us without an accusation make? When do we stop having to invite people in?

I wasn’t meaning you can’t be friends, more that it can be awkward being out with a close knit group when you aren’t part of it and that puts people off. It sounds like the other mum is being an arse for the sake of it tbh and if I were you I’d stop doing the whole class invite

HotCrossBunplease · 11/02/2025 17:51

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:49

The large group was a friendship group; open to all. The small group is a clique. How can anyone else join them if they're in a separate group?

Hmm, let me think. What about if one of them organised an event that everyone was invited to? Might that work?

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:49

lnks · 11/02/2025 17:44

What is the difference between a friendship group and a clique?

The large group was a friendship group; open to all. The small group is a clique. How can anyone else join them if they're in a separate group?

lnks · 11/02/2025 17:49

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 17:49

But we are good friends, why shouldn’t we meet up? Or do you think the whole class needs to be invited when just a few mums meet up? How many is acceptable to meet up without a class invite? 2? 3?

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@TheIvyRestaurant you have not done anything wrong

MonotoneHerbivore · 11/02/2025 17:49

It’s not a clique but who cares what crazy people think.

I would have been tempted to reply, ‘well, one of us is trying to arrange a group event and one of us is complaining about it.’

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 17:49

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

But we are good friends, why shouldn’t we meet up? Or do you think the whole class needs to be invited when just a few mums meet up? How many is acceptable to meet up without a class invite? 2? 3?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 17:48

Snorlaxo · 11/02/2025 17:22

Why didn’t someone say that if the invitation wasn’t for everyone then they wouldn’t have posted on this group chat ?

I did, because I can’t be doing with silly passive aggression.

Other responses to the mum ranged from a couple of “Yes I’ve noticed there’s a clique too 😔” to “There’s a clique? Am I part of it? Do we have a secret handshake” type posts. My friend who organised said everyone is welcome and lots of people have individual friendships within the year group. The woman who we saw on Saturday is persisting with there being a clique who meet up

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UninterestingFirstPost · 11/02/2025 17:44

I would say the rule for whole class parties could be equally applicable to parents. If you don’t issue an open invitation, you should invite half the parents or fewer, which you are doing.
People are allowed to have friends!

lnks · 11/02/2025 17:44

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:36

I understand it differently. There were large meet ups but few came. Those few separated themselves and formed their own group and made their own plans ie a clique.

How the clique formed isn't particularly relevant, it's still a clique.

What is the difference between a friendship group and a clique?

TwentyTwentyFive · 11/02/2025 17:44

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 11/02/2025 17:38

Absolutely fine, OP. Did she ever organise a meet-up? I would imagine she didn’t.

Agreed.

It's always those who moan the loudest who seems the least keen to make the effort. Fair enough if you'd all ignored her when she'd tried to organise something, she'd have a point but she's ignore all your prior invites and now thinks she's being excluded.

The mind truly boggles.

Doingmybest12 · 11/02/2025 17:43

You've become a group of friends over time, perfectly natural and normal. I would think the days of also doing the larger socials along side have gone really unless school based as otherwise it does begin to feel like an inner and outer circle no matter how much you try to avoid it. You've worked hard to keep it going but moved beyond that now. She was just stirring it though, so don't give her another thought.

HotCrossBunplease · 11/02/2025 17:41

Hmm. My main question would be, do you think she pronounces it “click” when she says the word? I need to know this in order to decide how much credibility she has 😉.

hopeishere · 11/02/2025 17:41

The term clique is loaded.

IMHO you are not a clique. It's a group that's has naturally formed.

They did their best to let others join in but people didn't want to come. What are they supposed to do not see each other unless it's in a huge group?

Someone up-thread posted a good reply.

Floralnomad · 11/02/2025 17:40

I’m not disagreeing with what you are doing but you are friends with these women because you have kids in the same year , nothing wrong with it but you can’t say it’s got nothing to do with the kids , you only met them through the kids . You may well have been natural friends anyway but kids is the way you found each other , in the same way as baby groups do .

YouDeserveBetterSoAskForIt · 11/02/2025 17:39

You're definitely not being unreasonable. It sounds like your group formed naturally over time because you all consistently made the effort, and that’s just how friendships work. You’ve still been inclusive with the bigger nights out, but if people don’t turn up or engage, that’s on them, not you.

It’s a bit unfair for this mum to suddenly call it a clique when she hasn’t really made an effort herself. Friendships don’t just happen by default because your kids go to the same school—you’re allowed to have your own social circle!

Maybe keep the invites to the whole group going every now and then to keep the peace, but you definitely don’t need to force friendships that aren’t there.

SinkToTheBottomWithYou · 11/02/2025 17:38

Absolutely fine, OP. Did she ever organise a meet-up? I would imagine she didn’t.

SandrenaIsMyBloodType · 11/02/2025 17:37

I admit I clucked on the post expecting to find a tale of cliquey behaviour and this just isn't that. You have made some friends through your child's school. I suppose it's inevitable that some people on the outside may feel that this makes you less approachable as a group but it's not a clique, it's friendship. You haven't done anything rude or unkind - unlike the person who referred to you as a 'clique'.

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:36

lnks · 11/02/2025 17:34

They had been inviting them but they never came.

The OP doesn't owe a person a friendship just because their kids are in the same class and she doesn't need to invite everyone to events.

I understand it differently. There were large meet ups but few came. Those few separated themselves and formed their own group and made their own plans ie a clique.

How the clique formed isn't particularly relevant, it's still a clique.

CaptainFuture · 11/02/2025 17:36

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

So they should keep inviting people who never respond, turn up or acknowledge them?
'Sorry Jane, we can't be friends as that'll upset rando mum X, who we've only met once 4 years ago and ignores us' ?

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