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To think this isn’t cliquey?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:32

Notodrugs · 11/02/2025 19:07

Because it's a nice thing to do. It's not like she is going to be putting out an open invite to all and sundry, it's a wider group of acquaintances who all know each other. Book a table with a couple extra seats, who cares, it's not hard. Honestly I don't know how some people get through life with such a narrow mindset.
It clearly is a clique if multiple women are perceiving it that way.

Edited

But why should we have to “be nice”. Why can’t we just meet up with our close friends?

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ThejoyofNC · 11/02/2025 19:32

You're entitled to have your own group of friends.

I hate people like this woman. Never turn up to anything, never bother to organise anything but then have the cheek to get arsey when other people finally stop bothering.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:31

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:04

I definitely have done that over the years as I am an introvert who loves company and chats u I’ve learnt not to persist with the people who give one word answers and clearly CBA. There are some who are chatty back but don’t want to socialise or form a friendship which is also fine

Obviously I meant extrovert here 🤦🏼‍♀️

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:30

MichaelAndEagle · 11/02/2025 19:03

The test is this...

A new mum joins the class, she gets talking to one of the 6 at drop off and they get on and indicates she's new to the area/doesn't know anyone. Would she be invited to the next 6 meet up or the next whole class?

BTW I don't think you are a clique and I reckon she'd had a few drinks when she wrote that.

No because she’d be put in the class WhatsApp and therefore invited to the wider class night out - that tends to be how it goes and is an excuse to organise a night out to welcome the new mum/s. The 6 friends are not a community group who has to invite new members.

BTW I always approach new mums after getting intel from DS first on who their child is. I always say hello, tell them about the WhatsApp group and shout if they have any questions about the school/processes etc

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housethatbuiltme · 11/02/2025 19:28

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

6 people are personal friends in real life and regularly spend time together due to a shared like of each other and interests that is nothing to do with school.

Of course they don't have to invite the other 24 or so mothers in the class. What planet do you live on where no one is allowed to be friends with like minded people without inviting randoms they have nothing in common with and who actively make no effort to be friendly to each other to join them.

Having a child within the same 12 month window does not mean you are automatically friends or have anything in common. No one owes you a special relationship.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:25

Notodrugs · 11/02/2025 18:49

I don't think what you describe in itself is a clique, but maybe there are nuances to the situation you aren't aware of? It's clearly being perceived as a clique if others in the group chat are responding in agreement with this woman.

A clique is really a friendship group that's completely closed off to new people joining in. If this isn't you and your friends, what's wrong with organising your own thing and then saying in the big group chat 'a few of us are going for dinner and drinks at 8pm on Saturday, would anybody like to join?'

Because we want to see each other and not other people. When you invite people you aren’t close to it changes the dynamics. You then can’t talk about things your friends know but you don’t want other people to know, it makes giving updates on your life more difficult to people who aren’t “in the know” about what’s been going on with your marriage/puppy/teenager.

Which is why it feels like the bigger nights out are still inclusive and I’d expect a different dynamic

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MichaelAndEagle · 11/02/2025 19:17

Why do the 6 have to organise everything? I bet within that group there are others who meet up. Are they a clique?
The lesson here is, if you want friends you have to make the effort.
I bet the ones who didn't turn up are the same as people on here who are always looking for a way out of social engagements. You know the 'time for a positive covid test' lot.
Or 'weekends are family time'.
Well, if you keep saying no, soon enough people stop asking.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:16

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 11/02/2025 18:26

@CharityShopChic "It's always the same, nobody speaks to me at the school gate, everyone's friends already, I just stand in the corner and look at my phone - then wah wah nobody is my friend."

Why won't they all #BeKind... indefinitely. They are all like so mean.

Yes i do eye roll at the MN threads of “No one speaks to me in the playground I stand on my own I’m sooo left out”. Well speak to people then! Friendship forming takes work from everyone, I had to work at it when we moved here, it’s not easy and at times I felt like I was single asking someone on a date by saying “fancy doing something together” but sometimes in order to get what you want it requires a level of discomfort, but with the understand the end product is worth it.

I’ve no time for people who expect things handed to them with no willingness to put the tiniest of effort in

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ThinWomansBrain · 11/02/2025 19:14

Of course its not cliquey - the woman you encountered while out hadn't invited the rest of you along.
it's only natural that you'd end up making friends with some people not others - extremely good of the one stalwart to keep on plugging with group invites, but why would you only see people you've made friendships with once every three months or so.

EarthlyNightshade · 11/02/2025 19:14

Notodrugs · 11/02/2025 19:07

Because it's a nice thing to do. It's not like she is going to be putting out an open invite to all and sundry, it's a wider group of acquaintances who all know each other. Book a table with a couple extra seats, who cares, it's not hard. Honestly I don't know how some people get through life with such a narrow mindset.
It clearly is a clique if multiple women are perceiving it that way.

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Do you not think that the class whatsapp group, where arrangements have been made for nights out 4 times a year for several years covers that?

For how many years would you invite people out if they never came and never invited you to anything?

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:13

LastNightMyPJsSavedMyLife · 11/02/2025 18:19

Perhaps you should be wondering why others don't want to join you for your get togethers.

Are you all 'massive extroverts'?

No

Is there something wrong with being an extrovert?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:12

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 18:04

It’s called manners. But also, if OP and the other mums genuinely want to extend the social invites and have more mums come, then they need to make an effort to act inclusively.

Why are they still inviting other mums to come if making no effort with them otherwise?

Why is it up to us six to “act inclusively” of the 50 mums in the year group? If people want to be included can’t they just act like grown ups and join in? Rather than have people beg them to come for drinks?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:10

Ridelikethewindypops · 11/02/2025 18:03

I think the problem here is ( I'm presuming) a whole class WhatsApp group? Delete the group!
Problem solved 😁

OMG that would make things worse 😂 it’s handy for things like lost uniform and there’s always someone reminding people when to bring £1 in

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HauntedPencil · 11/02/2025 19:09

You're being totally ridiculous to be honest. They've tried to organise larger events many times.

Trying to shame people because they went out with 6 friends and saying people have "narrow mindsets" is really weird! Stop it.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:09

pimplebum · 11/02/2025 18:02

Just post a shorter and sweeter version of what you have written here ( no mention of complainer )

and carry on inviting everyone, we do polls to vote for which date suits most people and you can clearly see who is coming who is declining and the most popular date in the poll wins

that way transparency and straightforward

Yes my friend does that and also whether it’s drinks/lunch etc. loads of people vote but not half of them come

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MichelleCancelled · 11/02/2025 19:08

You're friends who meet up, no one can be mates with everyone. You've only got a few more years of primary hell, enjoy your friends, you'll need them when secondary starts. I'd ignore her, she's bitter about something and you'll never get it right to please her.

Notodrugs · 11/02/2025 19:07

HauntedPencil · 11/02/2025 18:51

Why does OP need to do this? It's not easy to book a table to have a nice meal for a totally unknown number of people, why can't they go out as a 6?

Because it's a nice thing to do. It's not like she is going to be putting out an open invite to all and sundry, it's a wider group of acquaintances who all know each other. Book a table with a couple extra seats, who cares, it's not hard. Honestly I don't know how some people get through life with such a narrow mindset.
It clearly is a clique if multiple women are perceiving it that way.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:05

username299 · 11/02/2025 18:02

We have a different interpretation. I don't think a clique is particularly mean, more like exclusive.

But it hasn’t been exclusive. Us 6 are the ones who turn up to all the whole class meet ups. Surely that’s the very definition of making the effort to be friends with others?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:04

TwentyTwentyFive · 11/02/2025 18:01

If you truly want them to join, make an effort
and branch out. Try starting new conversations with mums who aren’t your friends. Show genuine interest in them.

There's literally nothing to suggest the op and her friends have not done that on many occasions over the past few years. At what point do they concede that people aren't interested and they should stop trying it. Or do they just continue indefinitely in which case that's borderline harassment.

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I definitely have done that over the years as I am an introvert who loves company and chats u I’ve learnt not to persist with the people who give one word answers and clearly CBA. There are some who are chatty back but don’t want to socialise or form a friendship which is also fine

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:03

username299 · 11/02/2025 18:00

No, you're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying and have deliberately ignored the first paragraph. I said that she's free to do what she wants.

Being free to do what you want doesn't mean you have to do anything.

Nor does it mean I should do nothing

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MichaelAndEagle · 11/02/2025 19:03

The test is this...

A new mum joins the class, she gets talking to one of the 6 at drop off and they get on and indicates she's new to the area/doesn't know anyone. Would she be invited to the next 6 meet up or the next whole class?

BTW I don't think you are a clique and I reckon she'd had a few drinks when she wrote that.

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 19:01

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 11/02/2025 18:00

And boarderline creepy. Can imagine the response on here is someone posted that a group of school mums had been trying to engage them into meeting for four years? They would range between "tell them politely that you are not interested" and "you'll have to move house, change dc's school and all your identies" these people are obviously deranged stalkers who will never leave you alone.

OK but individual people aren’t messaged it’s a blanket message on a group of about 50 mums.
I find it hilarious if someone replied “Oh my god leave me alone this is creepy” to an all class invite on a large WhatsApp group. They could just ignore the messages and many do

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 18:59

BooomShakeTheRoom · 11/02/2025 17:59

YANBU to still meet up a socialise as a 6 - you’re friends!

BUT perhaps have a reflect and think about why she said that and why people don’t join. Is it possible that while you’ve been developing friendships you’ve inadvertently made others (less extroverted) feel excluded?

Do you include others in your conversations if they’re nearby? Do you ask them questions? Or do you turn and just talk to your mates?

We have a clique at school of around that many mums. They’re clearly close friends, some knew each other before school, some not. We joined the school later on and they made zero effort to get to know us, no returning curiosity or interest in me. So I soon gave up. They would stand right next to me and turn their back to talk to each other, making me feel like shit. I’m not sure if they realised or not.

If you truly want them to join, make an effort
and branch out. Try starting new conversations with mums who aren’t your friends. Show genuine interest in them.

If you aren’t bothered, that’s fine, but why still try to arrange class get togethers? It’s disingenuous.

BUT perhaps have a reflect and think about why she said that and why people don’t join. Is it possible that while you’ve been developing friendships you’ve inadvertently made others (less extroverted) feel excluded

TBH I don’t have the mindset that extroverts should include everyone, I’m often told not everyone is like me, if people want to join in it’s on them surely?

Do you include others in your conversations if they’re nearby? Do you ask them questions? Or do you turn and just talk to your mates?

It really depends, largely on where I’m standing. I seek out my friends but the classroom door is near a thoroughfare so parents have to sort of spread out so as not to get in the way. I’ll talk to most people but I do avoid the ones who give no conversation back

If you truly want them to join, make an effort
and branch out. Try starting new conversations with mums who aren’t your friends. Show genuine interest in them.
If you aren’t bothered, that’s fine, but why still try to arrange class get togethers? It’s disingenuous.

Im not the one who arranges the class get togethers. And TBH I’m happy to make more friends if it happens naturally but I’m not going to actively seek people out.

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pimplebum · 11/02/2025 18:57

just post

thank you XXXX for volunteering to arrange the next social , looking forward to it ! Can I suggest x pub they have happy hour 5-6 Tuesday evening ?

HauntedPencil · 11/02/2025 18:53

Why should a handful of people have to invite 30 to 60 other people on every night out? Bonkers.

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