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To think this isn’t cliquey?

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TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

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Casperroonie · 15/02/2025 17:38

TheIvyRestaurant · 11/02/2025 16:55

I have a son in year 3, he started in reception class just after lockdown, and we had moved across the country as a family as well to a place where I (a massive extrovert) knew nobody and did a WFH job so was eager to make friends.

The other mums were very sociable and one mum would set up a mums WhatsApp group and arranged regular mums nights out, about 4 a year, and often to welcome new mums who gradually joined. These were very inclusive, and would be places where people could get just a drink or they could eat as well and stay as long as they pleased.

As time went on the numbers dwindled, and the same people would initially say yes and then cancel last minute. Or they’d say yes and just not turn up which is quite embarrassing when a table has been booked. Someone would normally follow up with them - sometimes they’d reply sometimes they wouldn’t! And they’d do it again the next time.

It became clear that just 6 of us consistently turned up to these nights. By year 2 the 6 of us became close friends and we set up a separate WhatsApp group and arranged nights out, nights/days in, cinema trips, the occasional play date etc. We also chat at pick up and drop off, because we’re friends.

the whole class night out invotations still go out but less frequently - only one this academic year at Christmas, as just fewer people seem to want to join.

The 6 of us had a night out on Saturday and spotted another mum with her DH in a restaurant. This mum hasn’t been on a mum’s night out since reception year, and has cancelled a couple of times on the day for other nights out (relevant) we all said hello but as none of us are her friend we didn’t stop to chat.

My friend who organises the nights out (who’s in the group of six) put on the whole mums group chat yesterday about a potential night out in April. The mum we saw on Saturday replied “Is this for everyone or just the clique?”. When my friend asked her what she meant she said there is a clique that excludes people from social gatherings and also at pick up and drop off as well.

Now We are in our 4th year of schooling these kids, and personally think it’s fine to not shout “roll up roll up come for a chat” in the playground or in ie every last person to every single gathering a few of us have. It’s fine to have made friends, and it seems the people who’ve made friends are the ones who’ve made the effort.

This mum NEVER approaches us to say hello, and has never made a real effort since reception. I don’t think it’s fair to say we are a clique when actually we are just friends who have consistently made the effort with each other.

AIBU to think our group of six have the right to hang out without inviting everyone in the class because a friendship has been formed separately as adults, rather than only being linked through our children?

Sod them. They should have made an effort, their problem.

Maybe organise a big meet up at end of year but apart from that, fill your boots and enjoy you FRIENDSHIP group!!!

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 14/02/2025 17:55

It's fine! She's being weird, she's probably socially anxious and finds it harder to make friends so she's lashed out. Of course it's fine that the 6 of you are friends, everyone eventually becomes part of a smaller group who they see more regularly, that's how friends are made.
It's a common mumsnet one where normally the "left out" people post saying how rude it is and I'd say the same to them. Not everyone gets an invite to everything. Some people get on better, have more similar personalities or more in common and they want to hang out just them, that's fine. If she want s to see more people she should organise a get together or she should put effort into finding which mums she likes and gels with best and then see them!

greenwichvillage · 14/02/2025 15:38

We have done exactly as you and your group has done and I wouldn't call it cliquey at all. We are a bunch of mums who's kids were in the same class at primary, the socials started off as a whole group invite, but some mums just never attended. So we started a WhatsApp group for the 10 of us who continually attended. This was 15 years ago, our kids are all grown up and still friends and us mums are still good friends and we meet up every couple of months. Don't let the other mum guilt trip you into feeling bad.

theboffinsarecoming · 14/02/2025 15:17

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

Why should they? The six of them are friends with each other.

TheaBrandt1 · 14/02/2025 15:12

Also many restaurants bill the organiser if people don’t turn up who wants to be actually out of pocket because some random can’t be arsed on the night?! Sod that!

TheIvyRestaurant · 14/02/2025 14:36

NavyTurtle · 14/02/2025 05:10

This is exactly why I hated school pick up. The Queen bees. Every school has them. Avoid like the plague.

What would you define as a Queen Bee?

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Sgreenpy · 14/02/2025 14:24

You're all adults and you can go out with whoever you like.
It's annoying when you're an organiser and book a table for 10/12 then only 6 turn up - it puts you in a really awful position.
Carry on doing stuff with the 6 of you - you could say on occasion 'we're doing X, would anyone else like to join us?'

Lickityspit · 14/02/2025 07:35

We have this kind of thing at work. We have big work nights out a few times a year but then 4 of us who get on really well meet up for lunch etc. One woman who never goes to anything found out we went out and made a big deal about it. Thing is the 4 of us are good friends now not just colleagues. Sometimes you just can’t please everyone. You are not being unreasonable to go out just the 6 of you

MonotoneHerbivore · 14/02/2025 05:28

NavyTurtle · 14/02/2025 05:10

This is exactly why I hated school pick up. The Queen bees. Every school has them. Avoid like the plague.

You hated school pick up because there was a ‎WhatsApp group where everyone was invited to group meetups, but only some people came, and others cancelled at short notice, so then the smaller group of regulars met up separately sometimes, while continuing to occasionally offer to arrange meet-ups for the bigger group?

FWIW I did find the school gates cliquey and a nightmare, but I wouldn’t begrudge this situation?

SnowyPetals · 14/02/2025 05:19

Meh, ignore them. In my experience, people who chuck out the word "clique" tend to be hangers on who want to be invited to things whilst making zero effort to organise any themselves or engage with the people in the group.

NavyTurtle · 14/02/2025 05:10

This is exactly why I hated school pick up. The Queen bees. Every school has them. Avoid like the plague.

latetothefisting · 14/02/2025 00:19

BuckleBrothers · 12/02/2025 05:07

Are people not allowed to form individual friendships?! Are they meant to meet as a group of 30 forever?!

people here often struggle to differentiate between a clique and a group of friends. It’s really strange.

I can only assume the people who struggle with the difference don't have any of the second.

Otherwise surely ANYONE who has or had ever had a group of friends understands the concept that when they meet up with them they don't also invite their other friends, siblings, mothers, cousins, partners, colleagues, neighbours, the woman sitting on the table next to them...along?

TicklishMintDuck · 14/02/2025 00:03

They’re a group of friends who’ve been consistent and made connections.

maddening · 13/02/2025 23:51

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:36

I understand it differently. There were large meet ups but few came. Those few separated themselves and formed their own group and made their own plans ie a clique.

How the clique formed isn't particularly relevant, it's still a clique.

It sounds like a group of friends to me- and people throw the word clique around to undermine that as it is.being used as a slur effectively

TheaBrandt1 · 13/02/2025 23:48

My grandfather used to say “to make a friend you need to be a friend” which is pretty much true.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 13/02/2025 23:42

Some people don’t realise that in order to be included you have to make an effort.

Obviously if a few people always turn up to these things, and others never do, they will miss out on an opportunity to make friends.

TheaBrandt1 · 13/02/2025 23:17

Don’t you dare apologise op! For sodding what?! She needs to over herself start her own clique if she’s that bothered. You could call any group of friends a clique.

Bec you sound absolutely bonkers. Do you go over to strangers in a pub apologise that you’re having fun with your mates and invite randoms to join you?!

Also the invite is not open any more they’ve got a good vibe going with their six she’s missed the boat there.

TheIvyRestaurant · 13/02/2025 22:57

BexAubs20 · 13/02/2025 20:03

You won’t admit it to yourself - but you are a clique. It was once a large inclusive group, now there’s 6 of you. I understand your reasoning, but others obviously don’t see it like that. This woman has made it clear she’s upset so I think the kind thing to do would be to apologise, explain you didn’t like to keep pestering people and she herself politely declined/ cancelled the last few times, so you stopped asking. However of course the invite is open to anyone who would like to join! Maybe go say hi to her next time in the playground? At least then you have done the right/ kind thing.

I won’t apologise for thins I’m not sorry for. It’s always clear the whole class nights out are for everyone and anyone.

It’s only a smaller group because the 6 of us made an effort and got on.

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BlueSilverCats · 13/02/2025 21:09

BexAubs20 · 13/02/2025 20:03

You won’t admit it to yourself - but you are a clique. It was once a large inclusive group, now there’s 6 of you. I understand your reasoning, but others obviously don’t see it like that. This woman has made it clear she’s upset so I think the kind thing to do would be to apologise, explain you didn’t like to keep pestering people and she herself politely declined/ cancelled the last few times, so you stopped asking. However of course the invite is open to anyone who would like to join! Maybe go say hi to her next time in the playground? At least then you have done the right/ kind thing.

Your life must be exhausting from all the extra apologising and bending over backwards trying to make up for any and all perceived offence you might've caused.

Islandgirl68 · 13/02/2025 20:40

@TheIvyRestaurant definitely not a clique. Just a group of mums that became friends, you can't be blamed for people who were invited and said yes then cancelled or did not turn up. If that happens too often yiu stop inviting. You have every right to organise a class night out and also have social events for your own friends group. Me personally would no longer organise class social events, just enjoy your own friends.

BexAubs20 · 13/02/2025 20:03

You won’t admit it to yourself - but you are a clique. It was once a large inclusive group, now there’s 6 of you. I understand your reasoning, but others obviously don’t see it like that. This woman has made it clear she’s upset so I think the kind thing to do would be to apologise, explain you didn’t like to keep pestering people and she herself politely declined/ cancelled the last few times, so you stopped asking. However of course the invite is open to anyone who would like to join! Maybe go say hi to her next time in the playground? At least then you have done the right/ kind thing.

Kazzybingbong · 13/02/2025 19:41

username299 · 11/02/2025 17:26

No I didn't miss that. Did you miss the part where only six of them meet on a regular basis and don't invite anyone else?

You’re allowed to do that though, they’re a friendship group. I absolutely hate all this mum school gate bollocks. Hang out with who you want to, don’t hang out with people you don’t want to. Nobody owes anybody anything.

BeaAndBen · 12/02/2025 14:42

It's like Stuff/Rubbish/Shit all over again

I have to put away my Stuff
You have to put away your Rubbish
They have to put away their Shit

I have Friends
You have a Friendship Group
They have a Clique

A clique is a friendship group you don't think you can join and resent, as far as I can make out. Whether or not that is based on reality, personal insecurity or assumption.

rookiemere · 12/02/2025 13:17

Jeez this thread is weird.

Woman upset because friends talk to each other at dinner shocker.

Maybe OP or Organiser of a general evening should have name badges and a quiz so everyone was equally involved, perhaps wearing a clown suit at the same time as their unpaid role was apparently to act as group facilitator making sure that everyone can speak, but obviously not forcing anyone shy to do so because that would be wrong as well.

Everyone is allowed to find their own tribe, or not if they don't choose to. However don't then castigate people who do make an effort. I feel some people would prefer that the OP had made no friends.

BoredZelda · 12/02/2025 13:07

I wouldn’t mind people posting stuff as long as it’s not baseless. Can I just go in and call people dickheads be side “well that’s my opinion and you have to lump it if you wanna be here”

Sure you can. That's essentially what you're claiming this woman has done. It wouldn't do you any favours and people would probably hate you for it, but there's nothing to stop you. The only difference is, they might not see it as baseless.

Dont you think its safe to conclude that people who come to no social meetings and don’t speak in the playground are people who are interested in making the effort (which is absolutely fine)

Of course it is. But to be sneering about it, which is how you've come across, isn't.

You were on the other end of not making an effort? And what did you do to include yourself or did you just sit around expecting others to put the hard work in?

This is what I mean about being sneery. You see it as something negative I did when in fact it was anything but. I was invited as a whole group invite, I went along to a few of them at first because I thought it would be fun to meet up with them, and because some of their children were friends with my child. I found it was not fun, I had little in common with a lot of them, and I'd much rather have smaller conversations with one or two of the mums who I had shared interests with and who happened to live nearby. These groups made it impossible to do that because they were overwhelmingly commandeered by this particular cliquey group. So, I stopped going. I didn't complain about it. I didn't complain or judge them for being who they were and doing what they did, it just wasn't something I enjoyed. You seem to have a problem with that. I can understand why it would annoy you that someone on your group had said something you don't think is fair, but all I'm saying is, I can see how they might have come to that conclusion, given what I experienced. That particular person maybe really wants to come along to things but doesn't because they are experiencing the same thing I did. I dare say the group of mums I experienced, thought it was a great time and they can't understand why others didn't.

Because I don’t like being the butt of false accusations

It's not like they are accusing you of treason or kicking puppies. They think you are part of a clique, so what? You have already said you don't care if people "don't bother" to engage and you don't like people who "expect others to put the hard work in", you've judged them for their non activity, so what does it matter if they, in turn think you should be making more of an effort? You clearly think you've done enough, what is it about these people that you crave their acceptance and approval? Be happy with how you are and what you've done.