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Date nights falling flat on its face, partner says I’m being a spoilt brat/unreasonable when I explain my feelings on the matter

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Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 15:03

Been long term with my partner of 8 years. I’m 45, he is 56

I know its common for the honeymoon period to wear off and you can easily fall into a rut with each other, the longer you are together sometimes it just requires a bit of effort.

For the first 4/5 years, our date nights were great. Partner would ask if I wanted to go for a nice date in a restaurant, I would book it, We would put effort into our clothes, have nice conversation, laugh and there was always sexual tension/seduction/flirting followed by nice sex after it. We both enjoyed ourselves and looked forward to these.

The past year or so especially, our dates have been nothing like this and I have tried to address this with partner, because I miss that with him but as far as he is concerned, I am being a spoilt brat (his words), and unreasonable for asking that we both try put a little bit more effort into it.

The reason I feel like there’s room for improvement is because our dates now are very different.

  • Partner started getting into the habit of having his phone during the meal and responding to text messages. He had previously been of the view that that was rude when you’re on a romantic date….suddenly, its ok.
  • The date nights started becoming ‘business as usual’, ie, talking about problems we might be having with our kids, bills, work, practicalities. No sexy ambience to it. I can’t remember that last time we went on a date night and had sex after it.
  • Asks for a romantic day out and we end up looking at the men’s section of clothes, or watches etc

Honestly, while it’s pleasant and cordial enough, it feels too casual and almost platonic.

He keeps asking the day before these dates if im excited and looking forward to it. I genuinely do but end up feeling disappointed when there’s hardly any romantic edge to it now.

I have brought this up asking if we could improve on this. He is not open or receptive to hearing this kind of thing and its real, real hard work because he immediately feels that I am attacking him for suggesting we try put more effort in and THAT becomes the issue.

After manoeuvring around all that, he eventually says ok, will put more into it. This was weeks ago.

Our last date, last week, we planned to spend a nice day together followed by a meal. He said he’s looking forward to a romantic day with me (we dont live together).

The day was very nice, sweet, affectionate etc. He said this is a nice date etc…Then he asked me to go into a shirt shop with him. He wanted to get shirts. He didn’t know which ones so asked me to pick them. It took a while because there were different sections, different styles etc and he had no input at all, it was all for me to pick.

He wanted 3 shirts and me to pick them. I did and then we left and went for a meal later.

i said to him that I felt like staff or a personal assistant. He has never ever done that before. Meaning if we are out on a date and he treats himself, he would always treat me too even if it was small, I appreciated the sentiment.

He also knew that I was skint and I felt like it was being insensitive to that by having me painstakingly pick 3 shirts for him on a DATE, spoiling himself and getting me to do the work of it.

I just felt like it was really self focused and he already agreed to put more effort in

He says I am a spoilt brat for and unbelievable for this and for feeling like our date nights are just too casual, and asking for us to put more effort in as a couple to keep the spark alive.

AIBU?

i would really appreciate some perspective here, thanks

OP posts:
imtheholidayarmadillo · 11/02/2025 17:57

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I bet your relationship/marriage is a treat. If you have one, that is.

Completelyjo · 11/02/2025 17:57

I think you’re being a bit dramatic saying he treated you like the staff by asking your opinion on some shirts!

He says I am a spoilt brat for and unbelievable for this and for feeling like our date nights are just too casual, and asking for us to put more effort in as a couple to keep the spark alive.

When you say too casual do you mean you view dates as fancy restaurants where he pays?

JLou08 · 11/02/2025 17:57

It sounds like he really made an effort on the last date, you say how good it was up until the shopping. I would actually really enjoy choosing clothes for someone, he's made a mistake because it's not something you enjoyed but I think you should appreciate the effort whilst feeding back the shopping bit wasn't a good idea.

ItGhoul · 11/02/2025 17:56

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

So he calls you awful names but you think the problem is date nights? Right.

ItGhoul · 11/02/2025 17:55

JudgeBread · 11/02/2025 16:55

Yeah OP, didn't you know that in a long term relationship you're not supposed to want romance or sexuality or seduction! You should be grateful he wants to take you shirt shopping and treat you to a delightful evening looking at the back of his phone and talking about bills! How dare you want romance and good sex after eight whole years, it's silent missionary in the dark once a month and nothing but chaste little pecks on the lips forever more! No more flirting, no more making out like teenagers, no more dates that give you butterflies, you're adults for god's sake! Complacency, boredom and routine is what's supposed to happen. That's marriage.

The issue isn't that the OP wants romance and passion, it's that she only has one very rigid notion of what romance is.

I've been with my DP for 22 years there's plenty of fun, romance and sex in our relationship, but those things aren't solely achievable through candlelit dinner dates. In fact, I would say that one of the reasons we still have 'romance and sexuality and seduction' is because those things aren't reserved for special occasions. Plus, it helps that neither of us gets bitter and resentful and sulky when the other one wants to pop into a shop and buy themselves something when we're having a wander around town together.

FarmGirl78 · 11/02/2025 17:54

I think you're doing incredibly well that you've got this far before doing perfectly normal (and acceptable!) things on a date time together.

But the phrase "You'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar" springs to mind. You're making it sound like a performance review at work, not encouraging his romantic side. Would you feel encouraged if you heard the following.......?
requires a bit of effort
room for improvement
we could improve on this
was really self focused

You sound like a boss doing an appraisal, not someone trying to reignite a spark!! You ARE attacking him. I'd feel put off if I was him. Stop criticising how you think he's doing wrong, but tell him what you would like to do. Go with positive vibes rather than negative ones.

Plus the sulking that he treated himself to shirts without treating you to anything is just childish.

I think you sound very very lucky to have the relationship you've got. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. A lot of women would give their right arm for a man who wants to spend time together like this.

Dror · 11/02/2025 17:53

Can you expand on why you want flirty, sexy dates with a casual boyfriend who has called you dreadful names for years?

gannett · 11/02/2025 17:53

Don't you have any agency in the date nights? If your conversations are dull then that's down to both of you, not just him. If you want sex you can initiate it at any time. If you don't want to end up shopping for watches say, I'm not doing that.

ginasevern · 11/02/2025 17:51

Yes, well that was a bit of a drip feed. You've gone from wanting electrifying date nights to saying he's been calling you awful names for years.

RawBloomers · 11/02/2025 17:50

CaptainFuture · 11/02/2025 17:28

Right, so in relationships, one person can't buy something unless the other gets bought too? OP expected to run around making him the centre of attention and the nothing reciprocated.
Was she not just asked her opinion?!

No. On a date that is supposed to be about both of them, making the time be about centering one person in an activity the other cannot really participate in equally is kind of shitty.

ItalianDreaming · 11/02/2025 17:48

My response would have been different if you mentioned name calling in your OP.

No wonder you don't feel valued. It's completely unacceptable and I wouldn't be giving an abusive man access to my inner world. I'd step away.

ginasevern · 11/02/2025 17:47

Honestly OP, you do sound a bit teenagerish or perhaps heavily influenced by social media? "Forced romance" is horrible, like any other manufactured fun. My late DH and I used to go out for nice meals, have great conversation, a good laugh and sometimes sex when we got home but we didn't call them date nights. They were just nights out. We'd equally enjoy going for a walk together or watching a film with a bottle of wine. No pressure, just us two being natural and enjoying each other's company. And to be fair after 8 years things generally get more routine. I do agree though that looking at your phone whilst sharing a meal is rude.

KrisAkabusi · 11/02/2025 17:47

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

Why are you posting about date nights when you have a partner that teats you like this? Fuck date nights, your relationship is doomed. End it now, don't put up with shit like that.

Samung · 11/02/2025 17:45

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

This tells you everything you need to know.

ItalianDreaming · 11/02/2025 17:45

I don't think he should be on his phone when you're out for dinner. As PP said, keeping it on him and checking it occasionally to make sure the kids are OK, sure, but not actually sitting on it.

I think you have very specific ideas of what a date should look like and you're setting yourself up for failure there, especially wrt allowed topics of conversation.

The early days of dating are all trying to get to know a new person. There's so much to find out, to discover, and it's all very exciting.

Now, a decade and a half in, I want to nuture the emotional intimacy with my husband, to use date time to check in with how he is, tell him what's going on for me and to get us both on the same page.
Sometimes those conversations are light and are about hopes and dreams for the future and things that are currently going well, or celebrating some sort of success or small win, but sometimes those conversations involve concerns about the kids, fears for the future, problems that are taking up headspace and I want his input or point of view or just want to feel less alone in it and to be heard.

That stuff is really important to me, and in the busy-ness of work and kids and running a house we don't always get time, just the two of us, to talk at depth like that.

Emotional intimacy tends to correlate well with physical intimacy. Sure, it isn't the stuff of 50 shades of grey, but I find that level of care and acceptance from my partner to be a huge turn on.

SnoopysHoose · 11/02/2025 17:44

You're focusing on wanting romantic dates then drop that he calls you awful names, wtaf?!?
Ditch him

Samung · 11/02/2025 17:44

Well, you don't live together so that bit's easy. Is this the way you want your life to continue? He won't change, he's made it clear he's not bothered. The minute I got called a 'spoilt brat' I'd be considering my options. You're a long time dead Op.
I'm not sure if you have children together?

gmgnts · 11/02/2025 17:44

I think you've been getting a hard time from various PPs , OP. Name calling is not OK - and now you say it has been 'dreadful and relentless for years'. I think it's time to finish with this selfish and nasty man. You will be better off without him. Flowers

Nanny0gg · 11/02/2025 17:43

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

What other names has he used?

Why have you put up with it?

Notonthestairs · 11/02/2025 17:42

I am surprised you chose to continue with date nights with someone that has called you names for years. Romance is the last of your problems.

Bin and block.

pimplebum · 11/02/2025 17:39

Personally after 8 years and at your age I think sexy romantic is a bit of a stretch on a forced date night

but also importantly you don’t need to put up with mediocre or not getting your needs met

keep telling him what you want, if he is not willing to give it to you you have options

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:39

mathanxiety · 11/02/2025 17:33

Excellent post.

Don't settle for any treatment that makes you unhappy.

And don't buy into the male menopause theory someone brought up upthread. This isn't a hormonal problem. It's a man who feels it's ok to stop making an effort because he's checking out of the relationship but still too comfortable to end it. Name calling is not ok.

This is exactly how ive been feeling. He is checking out but too comfy to end it. Not based on these dates, but a whole stack of other low effort issues on his part. The name calling has been dreadful and relentless for years.

OP posts:
failingrocks · 11/02/2025 17:39

IkeaJesusChrist · 11/02/2025 17:37

I think he needs to throw you back into the sea.

Maybe AI could write a script for OP, for her partner to follow on her romantic date nights.

Endofyear · 11/02/2025 17:38

After 8 years, it doesn't sound like your relationship has moved forward at all - are you looking at a long term future? Marriage/living together? I can't imagine dating someone for 8 years and still having 'date nights' but then I've been married a long time. DH and I do things together, meals out, cinema, music gigs, city breaks etc but we don't call it date night and put pressure on ourselves to 'be romantic'.

Do you just enjoy each other's company when lounging around at home, pottering, doing chores or shopping? Go for walks, watch a box set together, go out with friends? These things are the bedrock of relationships, finding pleasure and companionship in the everyday things together.

failingrocks · 11/02/2025 17:38

Lilollipop · 11/02/2025 17:29

He has always been uncomfortable any time I treat him. He tells me not to do it. Anything from big to small, he says you dont have to do that. He also gets visibly uncomfortable thanking anyone, not just me for anything. That is how he has responded since I’ve known him.

It’s the fact that YOU think he should ’treat’ (yet another awful word) you, or you will sulk.

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