To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

I bet most alien planets are like this, without a humanoid-type race taking over.

Both. I don't view animals as being here for human use.

I completely agree with vegetarians, if that's what you want to do ( though eating eggs is a bit odd) but when I was told that vegans won't eat honey, I did have a little/ long giggle .Those bees can move to somewhere else if they want. I kind of get the feeling that vegans think that the world would be better without humans. A paradise with no people just the animals EATING each other. Yep. Makes heaps of sense. There could be a few pale vegans wandering around until a lion ate them. Oh well..

Ha!
This made me laugh.

I guess they'd cope like the deer do.

Anyway. No one is saying release them in to the wild. The vegan answer is to just stop them being bred in the first place.

I was vegetarian for 20 years. I went to live on a farm, and I started eating animals because I realised they are utter fucking bastards lol. I would look at some of them and think 'i can't fucking wait to send you to the slaughter house'. Pigs and cows are both awful animals, I'd happily kill and eat one any day. I think people have very fluffy ideas of what animals are like that do not at all align with reality.

Do you actually want to live in a dictatorship then?

How about if the poster scavenged eggs from the nests of ground-nesting birds (as foxes, other birds and and other omnivores do? Would that be legit as it's 'as nature intended' (inasmuch as one can say nature has intentions)? Is it the eating of animals and eggs or the imprisonment of them that is at issue?

You can milk alongside them feeding their young. It’s a farmer’s choice, not all dairy cows have their young taken away, most, but not all, you can do both

It is possible to be ethical, But like I said above, excessive regulation mean very low margins and it forces farmers to have to put efficiency first

I'd like to think that if people had the choice in the future of either

1. Eating delicious, healthy, nutritionally balanced food that is produced optimally re environmental and ethical impact, and doesn't involve killing animals

or 2. Eating dead bodies

Most people would choose no.1. It's probably quite far away in the future but no doubt in my mind the general direction of things.

You even think foxes just eat what they need 😅

Mink. Another predator we have to deal with. Your lot have got a big part to play in why they are even wild in the uk!!!

So why aren't their young drinking the milk? Sorry, not a farmer. Dairy cows definitely have their young taken from them - is it different with goats?

I very much doubt that farm animals require significant levels of human input to remain healthy especially dairy cattle you just cant open the door and say “there you are girls out you go and shift for yourselves and have a great life” they would die within 48 hours. Who’s paying for their veterinary care if they become unwell, or at the very least humanly destroying them, We tried to get a severely injured deer humanly euthanised before it for hit by a car NO ONE wanted to help.
What would you do with the land that is unsuitable to grow crops on, grazing animals not only shape our landscape but have a significant and positive on the environment in many cases.

You are certifiably mad 🤪

My hens aren’t caged, hence needing some protection

What would you do with the eggs that they lay everyday voluntarily?

I don’t even know why I’m replying to you now

Well we could help ourselves by not inventing and using en masse NEW ways to fuck the planet, even before we start thinking about changing what we're doing now. AI is going to cripple the environment, and it is currently completely unregulated.

I don't think beef and bananas is a particularly useful comparison from a nutritional perspective. Choose a protein-rich crop that may go some way towards making up the nutritional deficit of giving up meat for a valid comparison.

That's the circle of life. I'd rather the foxes got to eat as nature intended, than you got to cage some chickens and take their eggs.

We have a dog that guards our hens from predators. You ok with that or should we let nature take its course and have the hens slaughtered by foxes and eagles?

YANBU. I became vegetarian as soon as I found out that it was my friends, the animals, that my parents served for supper. I was around 5 and thought it was horrible to kill and eat animals and I still do. For those less sensitive I think that rational thinking ought to motivate people who care about the world we live in and the world we're leaving to our children :

The ecological footprint of the meat industry:
Heavy use of groundwater for feeding animals and deforestation.
Climate change; global greenhouse gas emissions from animal-based foods are twice those of plant-based food.

Watching the show

Similarly, if you fail to put down a sick and suffering dog, some will tell you you are immoral; if you suggest euthanasia for your your sick and suffering granny who is no longer in a position to express their wishes on the subject, there are those who would call you a murderer. And the other way round!

It is all arbitrary. There is no objective morality, unless it is something very vague about causing suffering being wrong, and that can be interpreted in any number of ways.

Great post. In agreement.

I also wish dogs as pets weren't a thing. Same for cats, but you are spot on about the risk of attack from dogs. We have two pitbulls, an alsation and a doberman within close proximity of our house. I am on constant alert because of them.

They won't live. But that's ok, apparently 🤷‍♀️

Not just culturally (though I agree that's an enormous consideration), but also from an economic, employment, trade, land management point of view.

It would cause absolute chaos to ban it.

No, what an utterly absurd idea.

There are very very few places or humans that eat carnivore animals. It will have been out of necessity and remained a cultural thing

I know you’d like to believe that the reason we don’t eat dogs is because of some strange moral thing, but it’s not, it’s practical and for survival,