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To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

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BySpoonyBlueScroller · 10/02/2025 09:34

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

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Pussycat22 · 11/02/2025 06:30

We are omnivores.

HelplessSoul · 11/02/2025 06:27

BySpoonyBlueScroller · 10/02/2025 09:53

Plenty of alternatives! We could restore native forests, rewild areas for biodiversity, or grow hardy crops suited to rough terrain. Not every inch of land needs to be used for food production - especially when so much is already wasted.

What a load of bollocks.

LoganberryWay · 11/02/2025 06:21

BigDecisionWorthIt · 11/02/2025 00:24

That isn't what I eat, you said ask the Williams sisters.
That's what I found through a quick 5 minute Google looking at interview scripts.

I also didn't say it's means puny.

I was merely indicating the difficultly that people could have reaching protein goals on purely plant based protein sources if meat was made illegal from the op.
A 160lb female athlete say for example one of the current Gladiators, let's use Cyclone, would ideally need 200-240g protein daily (1.25 to 1.5g protein per lb of bodyweight).
Even accounting 60g of that from 2x protein shakes 140-180g on just plant based proteins alone will be a struggle without considering calories and macro splits.

But the quality of the type of protein and the bio-availability index is science.

Plenty of vegan athletes here

www.veganfoodandliving.com/features/vegan-athletes-plant-based-diet/

mandarinduck110 · 11/02/2025 06:09

I dont believe it is either or else the fact that you can create farms that are better for the environment than leaving the ground to scrub up would have garnered some interest on here.

I can provide examples of farms thst are carbon negative but no one was interested. The impact on ecology was completely ignored.

this wasn't a debate to widen opinions and understand what we could do to make the world a better place, it was just entrenched rhetoric - on both sides - and I regret posting on it. i didn't help and I have a potentially poorly animal i could worry about instead.

maybe someone would find these people interesting.

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tamade · 11/02/2025 05:58

BySpoonyBlueScroller · 10/02/2025 09:34

The environmental damage and animal cruelty outweighs the cultural or personal benefits. AIBU to think it’s time to outlaw meat production?

I think that your idea says more about you than anything else. The reason vegans and a lot of vegetarians have to put up with stick online and in the office is this sort of militancy from a few extremists like you (and a depressing number of others on this thread).

I imagine that having children has a a greater environmental impact than the difference between veganism and a "normal" diet. Got any ideas to fix that one? Actually I think I'd rather not know.

Jossjt · 11/02/2025 05:47

Lostcat · 10/02/2025 23:12

The issues are the despicably cruel treatment of animals and the destruction of the environment

No it’s not

85PercentFaithful · 11/02/2025 01:51

EnterFunnyNameHere · 10/02/2025 12:58

If you add up all the people in the UK, multiplied by their calorific and nutritional needs, is there a strong enough food supply chain to keep everyone fed and healthy?

Putting aside ethical considerations, what about plant-based food that has a more negative carbon impact than farming?

What's the plan for all the currently active prosperous farmland that will then be useless for food production?

Basically, how would it actually work?

Several posters, myself included, have asked this very question and highlighted the environmental issues.

Some posters are too busy throwing insults around to engage in actual discussion about the practicalities of this which are fundamental, because it’s not going to be more environmentally positive and it would endanger a lot of peoples food supply.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 11/02/2025 00:24

Fencehedge · 10/02/2025 19:32

I don't care what you eat.. Just don't pretend that veganism = puny

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That isn't what I eat, you said ask the Williams sisters.
That's what I found through a quick 5 minute Google looking at interview scripts.

I also didn't say it's means puny.

I was merely indicating the difficultly that people could have reaching protein goals on purely plant based protein sources if meat was made illegal from the op.
A 160lb female athlete say for example one of the current Gladiators, let's use Cyclone, would ideally need 200-240g protein daily (1.25 to 1.5g protein per lb of bodyweight).
Even accounting 60g of that from 2x protein shakes 140-180g on just plant based proteins alone will be a struggle without considering calories and macro splits.

But the quality of the type of protein and the bio-availability index is science.

Lostcat · 10/02/2025 23:12

Jossjt · 10/02/2025 21:43

What’s the issue? People like eating meat. Woah, stop press.

The issues are the despicably cruel treatment of animals and the destruction of the environment

Vgbeat · 10/02/2025 22:56

As a species we are omnivores, our bodies are designed for it. I do try to eat vegetarian several times a week and am not a huge meat eater. However mamy vegan meals are highly processed and have huge carbon footprints so I'm not sure it would be more beneficial to the planet.

Jossjt · 10/02/2025 21:43

LaundryPond · 10/02/2025 18:44

It’s much easier to sneer at a blue-haired straw man than deal with the issue.

What’s the issue? People like eating meat. Woah, stop press.

Firefly1987 · 10/02/2025 20:39

No but people should be more aware of the reality of factory farms and where their food comes from. Parents shouldn't be able to just pretend to kids that meat magically appears in the supermarket. If it's too distressing for kids to know the reality then maybe they should think twice about eating it. I'd welcome factory farm videos on the TV-you can eat meat if you want but not live in ignorance about what you're contributing to.

Lostcat · 10/02/2025 20:25

admirible · 10/02/2025 20:24

No veganism should be made illegal.

Eh?

admirible · 10/02/2025 20:24

No veganism should be made illegal.

Lostcat · 10/02/2025 20:22

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/02/2025 19:03

This OP wins my award for the most idiotic internet post of the day.

Im nominating the one where the pp says that vegans have blue hair and HATE HUMANS.

Fencehedge · 10/02/2025 19:32

BigDecisionWorthIt · 10/02/2025 19:14

Breaking away from "Vegan" by eating eggs..
.... and ultra processed meat substitutes such a Beyond Meat.

Sorry, I'll stick to the better quality protein sources and less processed actual meat.

I don't care what you eat.. Just don't pretend that veganism = puny

Lentilweaver · 10/02/2025 19:23

Heh, I am a brown skinned vegetarian with the black hair I was born with. Not pale..Not blue haired. Not an activist.

We all know the OP was a troll but interesting to see the furious responses.

100A · 10/02/2025 19:20

Imagine calling someone a 'blue haired activist', just because they don't eat meat.

Why are some people so triggered at the mere idea of a vegetarian?

I have never eaten meat. I am 52. I'm about as far from a blue haired activist as you can get. I have run 3 marathons. Believe it or not, I'm not 'pale' either.

I don't 'avoid' meat. It never occurred to me to eat it in the first place, so nothing to 'avoid.' It just never featured in my life.

Asking me why I wouidnt eat a cow or a lamb, is like me asking meat eaters why they don't eat a dog or a horse. It never occurs to people to eat a dog or a horse. Well that's how I feel about cows, sheep and chicken. It's hardly a radical departure.

Ohhelpicantthinkofaname · 10/02/2025 19:20

Great. We shall put more financial pressure on already stretched families. Much more expensive and time consuming to manage a balanced vegan diet.

much easier for low income families to feed their kids a balanced diet if they can eat some meat and dairy. People who push veganism are pushing from a place of privilege and don’t understand the issues this would create for people living in generational poverty, often with lower educational levels. But sure. Let’s make life harder for those kids to suit your ideology of not eating the diet humans were designed to eat. Why not. At least we won’t be slaughtering some chickens eh.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 10/02/2025 19:14

Fencehedge · 10/02/2025 19:02

Ask the Williams sisters.

Breaking away from "Vegan" by eating eggs..
.... and ultra processed meat substitutes such a Beyond Meat.

Sorry, I'll stick to the better quality protein sources and less processed actual meat.

malificent7 · 10/02/2025 19:12

Lots of prejudice on here about people with coloured haor and vegans being wimps. Very tired stereotypes.
It is natural to eat meat and morals are a human construct. I used to be vegan so i get the philosophy.

PurpleFlower1983 · 10/02/2025 19:06

I am a meat eater albeit not very much I actually agree with you, considering the huge environmental impact it has. It will never happen though.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/02/2025 19:03

This OP wins my award for the most idiotic internet post of the day.

Fencehedge · 10/02/2025 19:02

BigDecisionWorthIt · 10/02/2025 19:01

What would you suggest for athletes (semipro/pro), prospective athletes, fitness enthusiasts, bodybuilders, powerlifters etc?

There's enough research, especially without the use of peds, that those in that category need to be getting approximately 1.5g protein per lb of bodyweight.

How much protein rich veg is going to need to be produced to substitute the demand?

And as previous posters have mentioned, the quality of protein from meat/animal based derivatives are better quality than most vegetarian based sources if you compare the bio-availability.

The nearest comparable vegetarian based source is rice protein.

Better call up the Far East countries and get them to increase their human slavery to increase rice production....

Ask the Williams sisters.

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