To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

No worries. You want to ban meat then form a political party with this as its manifesto, win a majority of seats and pass the law. Right now no mainstream party has any mandate to do this so it's down to you op!

Anyone advocating organic, small scale, ethical meat producers should definitely put their support behind this.. Elwood organic dog meat.

https://www.elwooddogmeat.com/

I do also believe eating meat ( or using any animal products) will not be a thing in 20 - 30 years time.

You are right about the dairy. It's an abhorrent industry.

Humans CAN thrive on WFPB (whole foods plant based) diets. Animals who are carnivores obviously can't. Herbivores can. Omnivores too. They don't have morals - this is what separates humans from the rest of the animal kingdom. Only some of us don't have morals.

No, but it should go back to being a luxury. Before the Second World War and a bit after, chicken was a treat. Now these poor creatures (who are unfortunate not to be taboo in most world religions, unlike pigs or beef) are cruelly farmed and slaughtered in their millions every day.

We should eat far less and be prepared to pay more for meat and NOT waste any of it.

I'm a veggie. I would only eat game, which has not been farmed. I'm not morally against eating meat, only the cruel industrial farming methods. Creatures like pheasants and red deer which live a natural life in the wild and are then dispatched by shooting suffer far, far less than a farmed chicken or turkey.

I will not mention the barbaric details of the process here (I'm not that sort of vegetarian...) but it's always baffled me that people get het up about fox hunting and pheasant shooting while happily chomping on a chicken which may have been kept in a cage all its short life, crushed into some kind of transport and then dismembered alive.

Last one out, turn off the lights

With respect I think you are completely out of order to attack a farmer who is giving the very best care to their animals.

I agree killing animals is something we should move away from - it seems medieval considering we have iphones AI and viable meat alternatives.

Attacking a farmer who is one of the last to actual treat their animals with care and respect is ridiculous.

DiscoBaIIs · Today 09:40

Moonmelodies · Today 09:39
What should be done with all the farm animals?
Really? We'd just stop breeding them

How would that work in practice with million upon million in the UK alone?

Well I guess they'd stop breeding them and those that are alive currently would not be killed for meat.

What else do you think should be "illegal", OP?

Assuming you are genuine.

Sterilse everyone from birth. Problem solved. 😄

No it would be overrun with dead animals though during the transition period. It will be like lockdown when the rich were still getting botox and fillers , underground restaurants will be serving meat to the rich - and because there are no farm animals it will be peoples pets so Tiddles and chips.

I think if we ban meat for environmental reasons then we should also consider stopping the transportation of food for any great distance too.

All vegans and vegetarians should eat locally sourced food. Let's give all humans a radius of say 500 miles?

This will cut out the environmental considerations of all the fuel for cargo and all the energy to refrigerate.

Do you realise you sound like a psychopath? Substitute pig for cat or dog and then read back your post. Vile.

Define "higher cognitive function"? Where's the bar?

Don't you think a cow would prefer to live?

Exactly this. I’m not equal to a chicken.

Should we also ban all cars, holidays abroad, everything that has been made by people who don't receive a proper wage (including the phone you're using), all new clothes etc etc

There is so much that is damaging the environment but when people want things banned they only want stuff banned that won't inconvenience them or make their life worse,

I think we should all do our best. I'm great at reusing stuff. So much of what we use is second hand. I'm also great at reducing food waste, about 80% of what we eat is from too good to go. I could easily say 'all new clothes apart from underwear should be banned' and it wouldn't inconvenience me too much at all. Doesn't mean it's right for all.

But what about guide dogs? Not all puppies in a litter can be successfully trained to be a guide dog, so they just become someone’s pet. But if people were banned from having pets, they would have to be PTS. And if there are no vets trained to do this, who would do that job?

And obviously, the trained guide dogs would need to be fed, so how would that work?

I’d happily support a rationing system that reduced everyone’s consumption of meat equally… because the issue isn’t rich vs poor, the issue is overconsumption of cheap meat. There are environmental health considerations, the declining health of our population driven by mass produced food generally and the unnecessary suffering of livestock.

Don’t conflate the issues!

We are not herbivores, our ancestors ate meat. Meat is the most nutritious food on the planet. You are welcome to eat what you like but don't force that on others.
The legal system becomes unethical if things like eating meat are made illegal.

I'd bump that to two kids, because I do think it's nice to have a sibling, but yeah, the rest I agree with.

Hmmm. I'm pescatarian and actually like cooking from scratch but you can't get enough protein from cereal. Nobody in my household likes legumes (actually I like those but my kids don't), tofu or seitan (yuck). We would struggle without eggs, cheese and fish (I feel worse about the environmental impact of dairy tbh because I really don't like the taste of any of the 'milk' substitutes). I've done veganuary a couple of times and found it extremely challenging, especially if you don't like the 'meat alternatives' - and looking at the ingredients massively put me off all of those.

I’ll stop eating meat when people stop flying abroad for holidays.

Just because some people are fine on a plant based diet, doesn’t mean everyone is. I’d be very unwell if I couldn’t eat meat products. I tried it.

Most cultures where vegetarianism is practised widely are 'lacto-vegetarian' - i.e. they include dairy products (milk, butter, cheese, cream). This is a good way of making up enough fats and proteins that you are missing without meat.

But ethically it makes no sense to me, as I think it'd far less cruel to kill an animal outright than to systematically impregnate a mammal, then separate it from its young and steal its milk. If we are saying that animals have feelings and thus should have rights, that's cruel and unusual torture to my mind. I say this as someone who eats both meat and dairy, but found myself questioning the ethics of the latter while glamping on a (very small, family run, apparently 'ethical') dairy farm and seeing the baby calves suckling on each other for comfort in the absence of their mothers, and seeing a mother cow literally bellowing at us as she was led to the milking barn as we were standing next to the calves' pen - it was so obviously protective and what a mother would do, I identified with it and haven't felt quite right about dairy since.

I don't understand vegetarians from an ethical POV - how can you be not on board with killing an animal (troubles then over) but fine with mothers and babies being systematically separated virtually at birth and made to go through this over and over again for our benefit? Vegans at least make sense ethically, except on the matter of eggs - an unfertilised egg is basically a waste product for a chicken, so what harm in eating it?

I also think that there is dissonance with being an animal lover and thinking eating animals is immoral - are only humans obliged to morality? And if so why? Is it because we are actually different to other animals in terms of our intellect and feelings - which somewhat undermines the whole argument that animals are the same as us and therefore shouldn't be killed and eaten? Nature includes carnivores and food chains - yes our development of farming has put us outside of that, but surely there is a way we could continue to participate in those cycles, if we accept them as legitimate in other animals?