To believe that eating meat should be illegal?

Can we afford not to worry about this? I think climate change is the biggest threat facing us over the next few decades and going vegan would reduce our overall carbon emissions considerably. For example, even locally-produced beef has a far higher carbon footprint than bananas imported from another continent.

ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local

I understand this perspective but some people have such severe problems with allergies etc that eating meat is the only option. Try having a histamine intolerance and eating stuff like legumes and nuts set it off! Not to mention most fish and many vegetables. Sometimes it really is the only option. I wish it wasn't the case.

Also, some countries would struggle to grow and access vegetarian forms of protein.

Interesting, thank you. I still don't think that makes it ok, but interesting from an evolutionary perspective.

Other nations eat cats and dogs. It's a cultural thing.

Our country (assuming most here are UK) have had us believe cats are more worthy than cows, and that dogs are more worthy than pigs. Time to take the blinkers off.

Well you certainly aren't going to get an argument from me here - I can't STAND dogs, and wish that dogs as pets wasn't a thing. Cats bother me less because they can't, as a rule, kill my children if they take it into their heads to do so; but I'd be perfectly happy not to see another one again.

And actually this just reinforces my point - in other cultures (also made up of humans who apparently 'know' what is objectively virtuous) eating dogs and cats is a thing. Mainly in the kind of cultures where people have historically not had the option to indulge in the kind of morality that required them to turn away from a viable source of nutrition: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-39577557#:~:text=While%20not%20widespread%2C%20the%20charity,region%20of%20Nagaland%20in%20India.

The practice is dying out nowadays as western culture permeates and pet-keeping becomes more of a thing. But that doesn't mean the people at the dog market all knew i their objectively moral human hearts that it was wrong but did it anyway. Dogs were meat to them, same as cows are to us. The attenuation of western morality that has declared cats and dogs as immoral to eat is entirely arbitrary. It could just as well have been that people keep beloved pet pigs and tucked into roast cat and apple sauce at the weekend. And a 19th century Hindu might have considered eating a cow barbaric, but encouraged his widowed mother to jump o her husband's funeral pyre as a moral good.

One of the few carnivore animals we eat….but, there’s the real concern of mercury poisoning if you eat too much

Is eating carnivore animals is generally just not great, They sit higher in the food chain so the risk of heavy metals and parasites is higher

Ruminants basically process the plants for us…into protein.

Jesus sheep are constantly trying to get themselves killed and that’s with a lot of looking after

This is so true. I am surrounded by fields of sheep and convinced that they all have suicidal tendencies. I check the fields for dead sheep every time I go past and I'm not even the farmer.

How will people live in places that are sub zero in temperature where vegetables do not grow ?

It's not propaganda if it is direct footage from farms and slaughterhouses. You're only calling it propaganda to ease your conscience. It is what it is.

Yes or be made to do a type of National Service in an abbatoir.

If you continue to milk them, they will continue to overproduce milk. Milk that is meant for their babies. And overproduction is bad for the mums. Leave them be.
What do you do with the boy goats? What do you do with the female goats once they have passed lactating age?

I think you need help

Or to see some actual real farms in action and not the vegan propaganda films

I am not ATTACKING a farmer. S/HE is the one attacking animals. I am merely pointing that out.

If only people were forced to watch inside the slaughterhouse. Out of sight, out of mind.

Tuna?

@DiscoBaIIs you will never convert the masses beng aggressive and rude. You almost seem gleeful - Attacking a farmer who treats their animals well and supplies good meat to the country.

A shift is happening through advances in technology, hopefully we won't need to have a meat industry where animals are killed anymore.

I know it is wrong. I have always known it to be wrong, but I still eat meat. That doesn't mean that when I eat meat I don't feel uncomfortable a lot of the time - I have a conscience.

As I said we are less civilised in some ways. Not long ago, we would kill our own livestock and say a prayer for the life lost.

Yes, I eat eggs and dairy. My.mum doesnt eat eggs though, and at 80, she is super fit, a size 8, and hikes for a hobby.
My sole objection is to plant based being confused with eating processed shit.
That's like saying meat eaters eat only processed shit.

I don’t take their young away from them?

We generally don’t eat cats and dogs because they are carnivores. We mostly eat ruminants.

It’s not actually a moral thing, more of a nutrient thing

Eggs and dairy though?

It's a tricky one to police . More awareness of environmental impact? Less ready meals/ fast food options with meat?

We do vegetarian 4 days a week.

If I kick a dog, people will try to stop me, and I'll even likely be charged.

To be fair, I don't think most people would happily see you go into a field and kick a sheep or cow for fun.

There's a huge difference between killing as humanely as possible for food and just sadistic brutality for no reason whatsoever.

Any woman who has ever breastfed can tell you that. being engorged is uncomfortable. Stands to bloody reason.

The reason the dairy industry is morally questionable isn't because you milk them; it's because you take their young away from them, which is why they need milking in the first place.

Sheep HARMER. There, fixed it for you.

Here's a little thought experiment.

The dairy farm has blown up. No more cow or goat milk.

Your pet dog is still lactating though. Fancy squeezing on her nips for a drop of milk in your morning tea? If the thought of that is disgusting to you, think about why. Maybe you shouldn't be drinking cow's milk either.