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when people say 'don't let them get to you'... to ask just how exactly?

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VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 20:04

If people are capable of getting to you, it's usually because you are emotionally involved and care what they think. So when they give you a load of undermining abuse, it's upsetting.

One of my brothers consistently does this to me. I wish he loved me. We were very close until our twenties but now I get nothing but undermining nastiness. It really hurts and I really take what he says to heart.

Does anyone have any tips or tricks to not feel that sick feeling in your stomach, the churning of anxiety and feeling so worthless and squashed when someone says critical underminign and nasty things to you? The problem is I still care so I have no way to access that 'don't let it get to you feeling'.

How?

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Screamingabdabz · 09/02/2025 23:02

You don’t have to retaliate verbally you just have to maintain your own boundaries:
“that’s “weird”? Ok what’s your bright idea?”
”ok so is that going to be your contribution just slagging me off? Cool.”
”I’m just trying to make this nice for mum and dad but if you’re going to be shitty I’ll just go. [hang up]”
”no Chris, this isn’t me telling you so you can critique it. This is me telling you so you can iron a shirt and turn up on time.”
“[Flat voice] What’s your point Chris?”

It’s totally 100% normal to be upset, but to keep allowing people to hurt you by giving their opinions and tone any kind of weight is not healthy.

Live your life. Make your own life choices. If they’re with you, great. If they're not, forgive them once. But then limit and manage your communication with them. Don’t open your heart to people who are going to trample on it.

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 23:02

@healthybychristmas this is very interesting. I think there could be something in this and it might be why he has got worse.

To use your weight analogy, say I was fat and lost some weight that unbalanced the relationship and led to the friend starting to be foul. Recently, the last few years, I have lost a ton of weight and it might be this that is making him worse.

It's not weight obviously I am usign it is as an analogy but if you are right and there was a switch in our relationship, the thing I think may have caused his attitude to me, if I am right, in more recent years became much much more of a bigger thing. It's not the only thing but I think it could be why I am noticing it more now.

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healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 22:53

For example, for some women they are used to their friend being thefatter friend. They don't care that their friend has a bigger house or a better job or anything like that. It's the weight that bothers them. When their friend starts to lose weight and particularly when they approach the same weight as each other, then some women start to really panic and get absolutely foul.

ImmortalSnowman · 09/02/2025 22:52

You fake it until you make it.

You don't let them know they are getting to you. Then you work on realising you don't deserve their crap in the first place.

Imo tell him you have accepted his and his partner's invitation decline to attend whatever family event you are planning, why would he want to come when he thinks it will be a rubbish party.

Send the family his apologies immediately.

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 22:49

I'd not thought about it that way but I think you could be on to something there.

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healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 22:45

I said it because he didn't always used to be like that and I wondered whether that was because he was more successful at that point and that was the way he liked it. That could be in terms of romantic relationships, friendship groups, career, money, housing situation. Some of those things might not bother some people and other things really would be their tipping point. So if you tipped the balance, even unwittingly, that could cause rage, frustration, jealousy and paranoia on his part. it might be interesting to look back at what was going on in your life at the point when he changed. This doesn't mean any of it is forgivable but it might be interesting to understand exactly what's going on in his head. I'm sure he isn't acknowledging it to himself anyway though.

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 22:43

I'm wondering whether you have become more successful than him and that's why he's trying to punish you.

that's interestign @healthybychristmas . what makes you say that?

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healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 22:37

I don't think you should stand up to him, I think you should avoid him completely. Any discussions about that event for your parents should be done in a group forum and you shouldn't communicate with him outside of that. That at least means that other people witness what he is saying.

I'm wondering whether you have become more successful than him and that's why he's trying to punish you.

LowSunshine · 09/02/2025 22:27

For me, the switch happens when, instead of letting them sit rent free in my brain and upset me, I tell myself to feel sorry for them having to go through life as a horrible person/doing/saying nasty things. Then, next time it happens, just think in your head 'I feel sorry for you' and either respond with just a 'mmm' to what they say or don't respond at all and change the subject.

And for the record, both my brothers are exactly like you've described. I do the above and have stopped trying to engage with them too much.

Oh and just to add, he can only make you feel this way if you allow him too.

If he says things like 'that's weird' don't acknowledge it and just start speaking about something else and make excuses shortly after to end the conversation.

When he says things like this, let a little ping go off in your brain and have a inward smile at the control he's now lost. Try it once, becomes easier!

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 22:25

thank you for all your replies. I am reading them all carefully.

there is alot of sense here but I can't get to that 'fuck you' place for some reason. I suppose I'm still hoping in vain I know for us to get back to a more normal interaction.

I feel like if I stand up to him he will just hit back metarphoricly speaking again this is just about verbal abuse harder. I dont think its a bullying if you stand up to them they back off situatino but who knows. this has been low level endemic nasty criticism for years and is either worse recently or Ive reached breaking point.

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TheListThatNeverEnds · 09/02/2025 21:53

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 20:57

I'm not kidding but right now I feel like when this party/event is over, I just don't want to have anything to do with him because it's becoming more and more painful.

I don't know if its me and I'm becoming more vulnerable as I get older/peri menopauseetc.

or if it's if someone metaphoricly punches you emotionally again and again, you eventually get to overload point - so even if the latest ones aren't as hard or painful as before, you start reacting worse because you are over sensitised.

or if I've finally realised it is causing me such problems because I feel very low and upset whenever I have contact with him. I have low self esteem anyway and it is like this has got to the point where it is pushing me to the brink. I don't have any spare confidence to bat it off. i'm broken nearly.

I think there is a lot in this. The emotional abuse I got from my family was pretty low level for a long time, but after years of experiencing it I reached a point where I'd get anxious before and during every interaction. And their words became my internal self-critic too. There is something about family that just cuts you deeper, even when you know it shouldn't.

I dealt with it by: recognising how I was feeling, and not blaming myself for it- you can't help how you feel, and your feelings are justified. I tried talking to them about it, but predictably they denied it all and nothing changed. I then massively distanced myself- less interaction has meant (after several years) their words impact me less. And spending time with people who make me feel good and seeing their reactions when I occasionally share things my family have said and done has helped me realise that it really was them and not me. Counselling to understand it all and address my self-esteem has helped too.

Good luck, I really feel for you. But remember, you don't deserve to be spoken to like that, and a decent, kinder person wouldn't speak to you like that either xx

BlushDiamond · 09/02/2025 21:33

You need Cognitive Behavioural Therapy.

Christ, everything you said in your first few messages came out of me during my 12 sessions.

With it you can hopefully learn what I did.
The power of fuck you, fuck him, fuck her and fuck them. It is a wonderful thing to learn. Of course, I'm kind of paraphrasing but that's basically it.

It's not you. It's him. Nothing you do will ever be good enough for him, so why bother? Fuck him. Nothing which goes on in his head, wants, needs nor anything he does is your responsibility. It's not under your control. As it is not under your control, any guilt for outcomes does not belong to you. HE is responsible. If he is unhappy about something you've done then it is HIS job to do it different. FUCK HIM.

The truth is he can't be arsed to arrange things himself but he wants to moan. Lazy bastard back seat driver that he is being.

He can do it how he wants it or he can fuck off.

I was you for over 40 years before I got therapy. Wish I'd done it sooner.

Bushmillsbabe · 09/02/2025 21:28

The single phrase that helped me was
'A person's's behaviour says everything about them and nothing about you".

Basically, if someone is being an arsehole to you, it's because they are an arsehole, don't take as a reflection of how they see you, but as a reflection of who they are.

This enables me to not take their nastiness personally and doubt myself. That does not mean that I don't examine my own behaviour, but I evaluate it in comparison to the standards I hold myself to, rather than what I think someone elses expectations of me are.

Heronwatcher · 09/02/2025 21:18

The issues are his, not yours.

I don’t have any deep and meaningful advice, I’d probably just try to get through the arrangements you need to make with as little contact as possible/ contact in a group setting (think a group WhatsApp or email rather than phone) and then see/ speak to him as little as possible.

Practise a series of passive aggressive responses which he can’t object to like “That’s an unusual way to look at it” or “Thanks for your contribution.” Or if you have to speak just sigh and move on. Don’t question his goady comments. Thumbs up or laugh at nonsense on messages. Once it’s over just keep away from him and see other family separately.

It’s fine for you to grieve the relationship you had but if it’s been a while you need to protect yourself and your own mental health by keeping him at arms length.

reesiespieces · 09/02/2025 21:14

It's ok not to have anything to do with him. You don't exist to be his punching bag.

MummaMummaJumma · 09/02/2025 21:12

OP, I really feel for you. I went through something similar with my brother, he was very undermining, mean and narcissistic - everything he thought was right and superior. He too had a girlfriend who loved stirring up drama and would fill his head with storylines and theories about our family. He once called me out on something that wasn’t my fault and he was really piling on the pressure so I would admit to it. I stuck to my guns and he cut contact for 2 years. After that time, he apologised and owned up to his mistake. I’ve never had that anxious feeling around him since because I know how to stand up to him now, he also knows I won’t be bullied into anything, I’d rather go NC.

Everyone has their limits, OP. Theres
no reason in the world that should allow anyone to speak to you this way - especially your own brother. I don’t understand the ‘don’t let it get to you’ either. It’s such a strange thing to say. Feeling impacted because someone is being hurtful towards you is a healthy reaction, it’s alerting you that somethings wrong and you shouldn’t have to ignore that.

Good luck, it’s a hard cycle to break.

theduchessofspork · 09/02/2025 21:10

See him as little as possible

And look up grey rock to manage him when you are with him

I understand you love him, but he doesn’t love you - or not enough not to take out whatever his issues are on you - so it is an abusive relationship which you have to cut yourself off from it to protect yourself.

See a therapist to help you if you think you need to.

If you keep him at an emotional distance because you understand he is emotionally dangerous to you, you will feel better, and eventually quite a lot better because his hold on you will fade as other things and people come into your life.

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 20:57

I'm not kidding but right now I feel like when this party/event is over, I just don't want to have anything to do with him because it's becoming more and more painful.

I don't know if its me and I'm becoming more vulnerable as I get older/peri menopauseetc.

or if it's if someone metaphoricly punches you emotionally again and again, you eventually get to overload point - so even if the latest ones aren't as hard or painful as before, you start reacting worse because you are over sensitised.

or if I've finally realised it is causing me such problems because I feel very low and upset whenever I have contact with him. I have low self esteem anyway and it is like this has got to the point where it is pushing me to the brink. I don't have any spare confidence to bat it off. i'm broken nearly.

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MarkingBad · 09/02/2025 20:57

What I meant by that was it doesn't matter why he is like that, that is for him to deal with. I was ineloquent in trying to explain why it's his problem he wants to make you feel bad.

You can only control what you do and how you deal with it.

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 20:53

When someone is nasty to you, they are really talking about themselves.
You are no different now than you were before he chose to say this guff. This is a him problem not a you problem. He feels shitty over something so he intends to make you feel shitty so he passes the buck.
It's nothing to do with you or who you are, it's all about him feeling shitty and wanting it to stop so he deflects it
Sometimes it's hard to hold onto your sense of self inflicted family situations but you have to for the sake of your own sanity.

@MarkingBad I think there is a lot in that. He has a lot of failure and problems in his life and I think he is shitty to me because I take it and he can. Like kicking the cat or something.

I thought you said above though that why he is like that doesn't matter and what is important is why it upsets me.

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wildtimeswilder · 09/02/2025 20:51

Sometimes I think lowering expectations may help. With my stbxh, having accepted that he now tries to upset and hurt me and lies, then whenever these things happen it's less of a hurt and a shock, and more of an ah yes everything is operating as it naturally does and stbxh is being a knob to me as he does.

MarkingBad · 09/02/2025 20:51

When someone is nasty to you, they are really talking about themselves.

You are no different now than you were before he chose to say this guff. This is a him problem not a you problem. He feels shitty over something so he intends to make you feel shitty so he passes the buck.

It's nothing to do with you or who you are, it's all about him feeling shitty and wanting it to stop so he deflects it

Sometimes it's hard to hold onto your sense of self in family situations but you have to for the sake of your own sanity.

Acommonreader · 09/02/2025 20:42

VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 20:34

If someone does something that upsets you, you have to try and think of it objectively.Ask yourself why does it upset you not why did xx do that

@MarkingBad I think it is as simple as it upsets me because he used to love me and think I was great. when he talks to me like that it shows he hates me and thinks whatever it is he is saying - I'm incompetent, self centred, difficult - whatever it is. So I feel upset because deep down I am going through this:

hes my brother, he knows me better than anyone, he used to be my champion.
if he is saying these bad things to me, then they must be true.
oh god, I am such an awful person.
this reinforces all the low self-esteem things I fear about myself.
I am a piece of shit.

that I think is why it upsets me.

It would be upsetting if anyone said it but its worse that its someoen who used to love me.

We always listen to negative words more than positive! I totally get it as I can be the same . However, consider if you would ask his advice on something important?
Would you value his opinion on anything? If you wouldn’t then do not listen to his nastiness either. His words are of no worth.

pizzaHeart · 09/02/2025 20:39

I think you need to change your communication with him and make it absolutely controlled by you. If you have to ask him something send him a text : Hi Mark, is 12th of March ok with you? Please confirm by next Wednesday. Utterly.

Don’t ever face time him. If he calls you make notes what he says - it will distract you a bit. Then tell him: I need to go now, sorry. Will text you later.
Switch the phone off and then tell to yourself: F** off you twat, believe me it helps.

And try to keep away from him as much as possible at the event.
Just because he is your brother it doesn’t mean that he is a nice person - there are mistakes at every family.

BatchCookBabe · 09/02/2025 20:34

I know, right! It's right up there with 'people can only make you feel inferior with your consent.' (Eleanor Roosevelt.) That really pisses me off. How people make out you're a weak and pathetic loser if you are upset by something someone said. People can't help how they are, and the fact that they feel upset easily by if someone says something nasty or rude.

Sometimes it's a lot harder to not let things get to that people say, and a lot harder to ignore all their hate or bullying or goading. Especially if you see their faces fairly regularly, or you've got someone in your life who sees them. (Like if you've got no contact with somebody - but you're in touch with someone who's in touch with them.)