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when people say 'don't let them get to you'... to ask just how exactly?

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VUtterlyFedUP · 09/02/2025 20:04

If people are capable of getting to you, it's usually because you are emotionally involved and care what they think. So when they give you a load of undermining abuse, it's upsetting.

One of my brothers consistently does this to me. I wish he loved me. We were very close until our twenties but now I get nothing but undermining nastiness. It really hurts and I really take what he says to heart.

Does anyone have any tips or tricks to not feel that sick feeling in your stomach, the churning of anxiety and feeling so worthless and squashed when someone says critical underminign and nasty things to you? The problem is I still care so I have no way to access that 'don't let it get to you feeling'.

How?

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VUtterlyFedUP · 11/02/2025 23:21

Can you ask him what his problem is with you

He would just deny there's an issue and starts attacking me about other things.

I've got a fairly good idea what his problem is. He doesn't like me and is angry and bitter about lots of things in his life that are of his own making.

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Headpainempathy · 11/02/2025 23:13

Can you ask him what his problem is with you? It's not you it's him but if he can't tell you then you'll just have to it go.
I'm in a similar position altjough I'm sad about it but have had to let it go for my own well being and luckily I can avoid speaking to them for a majority of the time. It's all over a m8scommunication but has gone on too long now and until recently I didn't even know what it was about.

spanieleyes22 · 11/02/2025 23:01

I'd say you need to avoid him. Dont ring him. A short text if you have to. Avoid any interactions. Does he ever initiate contact.

spanieleyes22 · 11/02/2025 22:59

I'm reading the book about the "let them"
Theory by Mel Robbins. It's helping me not take on other people's shit and to care less. It is helping. A bit.

VUtterlyFedUP · 11/02/2025 22:52

@DesparatePragmatist that is absolutely brilliant.

I've read about CBT before but thought it was more about conning yourself to believe (in your example) "everyone will love this". You've explained it so brilliantly. I get that - a believable alternative. this is so interesting.

I've never heard it explained so clearly before. thank you . I will think about this more.

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DesparatePragmatist · 11/02/2025 19:09

OP, I'm sorry you're going through this. You're very articulate and perceptive about the nature of your response, and the thoughts and feelings that come up for you, and that's massively in your favour as it will help you process new ways to handle this.

There's a life coaching model which I think is based on CBT, which might be useful. When I've used it, it's helped - i need to use it more!

It goes: circumstances trigger your thoughts. Thoughts drive your feelings. Your feelings drive your actions. Your actions shape your results.

So your model might go:

Circumstances: brother says something critical
Thoughts: I'm letting everyone down/this will haunt me forever
Feelings: fear, anxiety, doubt
Action: appease brother/change plans (what is the action?)
Result: you don't enjoy the event/you change what you had intended to do

The trick, which has to be learned, is to ignore the feeling but change the thought.

The feeling is what's causing you pain - that shock fear punch to the stomach- so it's natural to focus on that. But it won't change without the thought changing, as the feeling is really in response to your thoughts, not the circumstances themselves.

And the trick to changing the thought is to come up with a believable alternative. You won't be able to get the results without believing your thoughts, so replacing "I'm letting everyone down" with "everyone will love this" when your brother criticises isn't believable. But, thinking "he's being grumpy" might be easier to believe. Then your model becomes more like:

Circumstances: brother says something critical
Thoughts: he's being grumpy
Feelings: mild annoyance/compassion
Action: shrug, invite constructive input, move ahead with plan
Result: event goes ahead as planned

Sorry for length - this helps me when I remember to do it! Best if you actually write it down in a way that's true for you

Teanbiscuits33 · 11/02/2025 16:11

VUtterlyFedUP · 11/02/2025 16:04

@Teanbiscuits33 I don't think he's an abuser in the knowingly cruel sense of that word. I think he's just got a heap of problems and issues with his life and me that he takes out on me because if he treated his wife like this she'd leave him. I'm the punching bag. I haven't explained it very well but what I mean is at core I don't think he's a bad person and he's just slid into this habit of taking it out on me. I suppose I'm saying I think he does it more unconciously because he feels bad about his own life than doing it deliberately. I guess that probably doesnt matter as whats important is the effect on me. If someone stabs you in the stomach then in terms of your own life and how you need to deal with it, it doesn't matter if it was deliberate or accidental, you still need to go to a hospital and have the wound stiched up. NOt sure I've explained that very well. Sounds like I'm making excuses for him but not what I meant.

@nutbrownhare15 thank you I will look for thta.

He knows what he’s doing though, and it’s abusive. How do you know what goes on in someone else’s marriage? He might do it to you because he knows it bothers you and you won’t stand up for yourself, but either way, the most important thing is the knowledge that he’s a bully and his behaviour, although directed at you, has nothing to do with you. He’s far from perfect himself.

I’d take the mindset of feeling a bit sorry for him that he is clearly very unhappy in life to feel the need to go about dragging others down instead of addressing his own shortcomings. No human is perfect, and that very much includes him!!

VUtterlyFedUP · 11/02/2025 16:04

@Teanbiscuits33 I don't think he's an abuser in the knowingly cruel sense of that word. I think he's just got a heap of problems and issues with his life and me that he takes out on me because if he treated his wife like this she'd leave him. I'm the punching bag. I haven't explained it very well but what I mean is at core I don't think he's a bad person and he's just slid into this habit of taking it out on me. I suppose I'm saying I think he does it more unconciously because he feels bad about his own life than doing it deliberately. I guess that probably doesnt matter as whats important is the effect on me. If someone stabs you in the stomach then in terms of your own life and how you need to deal with it, it doesn't matter if it was deliberate or accidental, you still need to go to a hospital and have the wound stiched up. NOt sure I've explained that very well. Sounds like I'm making excuses for him but not what I meant.

@nutbrownhare15 thank you I will look for thta.

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nutbrownhare15 · 10/02/2025 13:53

Have a look at Mel Robbins and the Let Them theory. I've found her podcasts really helpful

Teanbiscuits33 · 10/02/2025 13:52

VUtterlyFedUP · 10/02/2025 13:22

@Teanbiscuits33

Would I want to associate with somebody who thought I was stupid and was rude enough to tell me, anyway? Nope! So they don’t matter a jot. What matters is the people that like/ love me and treat me respectfully.

this last sentence is really important. I will write it down and refer back to it. I need to work it up into a version that would act as a response to attack. like if he is shitty to say in reply 'please don't speak to me like that, it matters to me that the people I love treat me respectfully'. No point in saying people who love me as that's opening a door I just don't want to.

But again @VUtterlyFedUP remember that you can’t control what he does, only your reaction to it. When he says or does these things, they are symptomatic of is own issues and they are meant to pull you down so that he can have power over you. As that sinks in over time, you will learn to ignore him.

So what if he uses things as a stick to beat you with? It’s not your responsibility to make everything perfect, you’re only one person, it’s impossible. Besides which, when dealing with people like him, nothing you do will ever be right anyway so even if you really tried, things will never be perfect because he will always find something to criticise. Just stop giving him the reaction he wants. Ignore him completely!

You don’t need to make everything your sole responsibility. He sounds abusive, who gives a shit what he thinks!? Abusers are lacking in areas themselves!

VUtterlyFedUP · 10/02/2025 13:24

@Therapyhelped thank you for posting on this thread and I am sorry you have had such a difficult and painful time. how did you find the extremely kind very experienced psychologist that you referred to.

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VUtterlyFedUP · 10/02/2025 13:22

@Teanbiscuits33

Would I want to associate with somebody who thought I was stupid and was rude enough to tell me, anyway? Nope! So they don’t matter a jot. What matters is the people that like/ love me and treat me respectfully.

this last sentence is really important. I will write it down and refer back to it. I need to work it up into a version that would act as a response to attack. like if he is shitty to say in reply 'please don't speak to me like that, it matters to me that the people I love treat me respectfully'. No point in saying people who love me as that's opening a door I just don't want to.

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VUtterlyFedUP · 10/02/2025 13:20

@Teanbiscuits33

but honestly, you’re upset because you have low self esteem and somewhere inside, you believe the things that are being said

I do have low self esteem but that is not all that is upsetting me here. take the 'weird' example I posted above. It makes me feel really stressed that I'm letting people down but also which is separate that if he isn't happy with everything, that this will become a stick to beat me with in future. Rationally I know the answer is well you didn't lift a finger to organise anything so you can F- off but my brain computes it as a horribly frightened fear of ' gosh I must keep him happy otherwise I am in for a lifetime of these failings and decisions of mine being used again and again to attack me for my uselessness.

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Teanbiscuits33 · 10/02/2025 02:27

JandamiHash · 10/02/2025 02:10

Someone once told me “Somebody else’s opinion of you isn’t fact” and it helps me a lot. Just because someone thinks I’m stupid/awful/irritating it doesn’t make it true and some arsehole who doesn’t wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire most certainly doesn’t get to decide my character.

I also think OP that wanting something that isn’t gonna happen is bad for you. I’m sure your brother loves you in leave to because they’re family” way, but I know you want a more personal kind of love. But have a word with yourself that it won’t happen - the sooner you realise the sooner you can move on.

Or the way I see it is, just because one person finds you annoying not everybody will, because we’re all different and perceive personality differently. Would I want to associate with somebody who thought I was stupid and was rude enough to tell me, anyway? Nope! So they don’t matter a jot. What matters is the people that like/ love me and treat me respectfully. OP, you’re never going to control what your brother does. You can only learn to accept yourself, warts and all, and learn to control your reaction to things he says.

JandamiHash · 10/02/2025 02:10

Someone once told me “Somebody else’s opinion of you isn’t fact” and it helps me a lot. Just because someone thinks I’m stupid/awful/irritating it doesn’t make it true and some arsehole who doesn’t wouldn’t piss on me if I was on fire most certainly doesn’t get to decide my character.

I also think OP that wanting something that isn’t gonna happen is bad for you. I’m sure your brother loves you in leave to because they’re family” way, but I know you want a more personal kind of love. But have a word with yourself that it won’t happen - the sooner you realise the sooner you can move on.

Teanbiscuits33 · 10/02/2025 01:54

When you learn that other people’s behaviour is not about you, it’s a symptom of their own insecurity and powerlessness, nothing can get to you. As a pp said, you need to come from a mindset that you are in control of your reaction.

People can only upset you if you give them permission to. I don’t say this to victim blame, you can’t always help it if you are upset by something in the moment, but honestly, you’re upset because you have low self esteem and somewhere inside, you believe the things that are being said.

Take the power away from them by remembering that the only reason they’re saying it is to make themselves feel powerful because they feel powerless and unhappy. It’s liberating when you finally accept that.

healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 23:56

I'm so glad you found such a good psychologist. Yes it does take longer than you think at first to get over such bad treatment and abuse. I'm so glad you're on the right path now.

Enough4me · 09/02/2025 23:55

Imagine in his head he had the thought that he was the success and you were the failure. He realises you are doing well and he isn't and jealousy kicks in. With his new partner telling him he's right and stoking it, the negativity grows. He believes he's right and nothing you do will change how he as another person feels.

Grieve who he was and the relationship it was. Expect him to be the person he now is. Expect him to not like you. Once you can grieve and accept, and probably go through some anger too as you did not want this situation, you'll move on.

Therapyhelped · 09/02/2025 23:46

healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 23:11

@Therapyhelped that sounds incredibly painful for you. Let's hope they are both driving each other mad right now. I am glad that therapy helped.

I’m lucky I found an extremely kind very experienced psychologist to work with , I think that even though I’m far away from the people who caused me pain I will continue to need to work on the health of my mind for a long time to come as it had affected me physically as well. I have to be very aware at all times of how I’m feeling and make sure I don’t miss any sessions. It’s been hard but the main thing now that gives me so much happiness and security is knowing that I don’t have to be scared anymore in this moment or going forward. But I still need to work on a lot.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 09/02/2025 23:30

Try and have a few stock phrases to shut him down. As pandering to him isn't working, it's reinforcing that he has this power over you and showing him yoh care what he thinks. 'I was answering a question about arrangements not asking your opinion'. 'If you'd like to organise it so it's less 'weird' then that's absolutely fine with me'. 'Do you think that's a helpful comment? What are you trying to achieve by saying that?' Or simply 'ok. Anyway...' and completely ignore without reacting. All said in a completely neutral voice so you don't get accused of being over sensitive/ hysterical etc.

Being upset about someone treating you like this is completely normal

CantStopBuyingSeeds · 09/02/2025 23:18

TheLightSideOfTheMoon · 09/02/2025 20:07

“Don’t let him get to you” is victim blaming at it’s finest.

It’s now YOUR fault you’re upset. And up to YOU to manage your feelings.

Do you need to be in contact with him? Can you just remove yourself from his life?

That's not what that means! You're misunderstanding it. It means grow a thicker skin and learn to ignore it

healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 23:12

The weight analogy…

healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 23:11

@Therapyhelped that sounds incredibly painful for you. Let's hope they are both driving each other mad right now. I am glad that therapy helped.

healthybychristmas · 09/02/2025 23:10

Yes because one thing affects the other. So using the weight and allergy if you were the fat sibling and he was the thin sibling then maybe he had more confidence, had a healthier relationship with a girlfriend, found it easy to sail through interviews etc. Then you lost weight which he might think he was glad about, but then you had your own great relationship, started to go up the career ladder because your confidence was boosted etc and he realised that everything he had had always been in comparison to what you had and now he is in the descendant and you are in the ascendant. Of course it might be just one of those things or it could be a knock on effect e.g. you lose weight, you gain more confidence, you get a better job, and you get a better house, and you get a new car… It might be the new car that triggers him!

Therapyhelped · 09/02/2025 23:09

I grew up with a narcissistic mother who abused me emotionally and then financially then finally physically. My sister was treated like a princess.

My mother cultivated a smear campaign and I was nearly sectioned as a teen on her description of made up behaviour. She was simply trying to make me look mentally unwell and unreliable so she could easily discredit me if I was ever brave enough to speak out. She lied to family and friends to isolate me and make sure I had no support and that nobody liked me. If I reacted she used it against me if I didn’t react in the hope she would get bored she got worse and did more . I couldn’t win.

My sister soon joined in with the campaign and it became a game to them I think to try and sabotage every area of my life after I’d left home. It carried on for years and years. Going NC didn’t help as they would still do all sorts of malicious things to sabotage my work, relationships, my children .

In the end I gave up and decided to move miles and miles away and changed my name and changed profession. It was the only way a clean break and the only way to have any peace in my life.

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