To say that prisons should be abolished altogether?

I couldn't decide whether the OP was advocating for that or letting the community deal with the criminal.

Yeah this.

I would say prison should be abolished for about 95% of female prisoners without any issues as long as they were supported in the community. Men, ha no.

There's also this idea that UK prisons are full of non-violent male offenders who are just inside for a misguided bit of robbery or fraud. Good hearted lads, love their mums but got in with the wrong crowd and need a guiding hand. No way is that true. Look at the reporting on child sex offences and assault / GBH. Many sentences are non-custodial. A violent offender on average is guilty of 4 offences before they get a custodial sentence. Rape has a conviction rate of 1% (and that's just reported rape). 100s of thousands of child abuse images gets community service - where they all get the chance to pick litter in your local playground.

My relative was left for dead and needed brain surgery after an attack by two men with a history of violent offending. Both men got non-custodial sentences.

We don't put enough men in prison IMO.

Hopefully you didn’t vote Labour as that’s exactly what’s been happening.

Rage bait

Ultimately there have to be consequences and deterrents.

A perfect example is school behaviour. When I was a child if others stole, were violent, severely disrupted, etc., they were expelled. Look where keeping those who destroy the education of others has got us.

Sort of- I don’t think anyone should be in prison for drugs or other non-violent offences, I even think a lot of violent criminals or murderers deserve intensive rehabilitation and a second chance. However rapists, serial killers, pedophiles and violent abusers need to be kept away from the public indefinitely.

On the contrary, prisons are VERY effective - at keeping dangerous people away from us so that they cannot rape, murder and terrorise us any more.

What we actually need to do is make a massive investment as a society in supporting parents of babies and toddlers and a lot of other changes to get people off drugs and drink and into decent jobs. Not holding my breath on that one, though.

I'd quite like to see a trial of a system where anyone who supports the abolition of prisons agrees to sponsor the community rehabilitation of an offender for the duration of whatever term the custodial sentence would have been. They must house them (government funded) and work with offender rehabilitation organisations to help the offender become a productive member of society.

There would be conditions whereby if the person they were sponsoring reoffended during the rehab or for an agreed period after that the offender and sponsor had to both serve the original length of the sentence in custody. I think that would focus a few minds and we'd see how seriously people held such ultra liberal beliefs.

Some people need to be off our streets: rapists, murderers, sex offenders, arsonists, paedophiles etc. We need secure places to put such men (it's mostly men) and prisons look like the place. More rehabilitation perhaps. I am not sure about restorative justice - I don't think that works.

There are a LOT of Labour Party minions on here testing the waters with odd questions at the moment. I saw one yesterday. The OP doesn’t come back. It’s getting a little ridiculous.

The questions being asked are truly terrifying. I mean sure Ian Huntley can be rehabilitated. So much so we’ll let him move in with OP and her kids.

I would really like it if we built a lot more prisons.

Ansolutely not, the only way to protect the public long and short term from some of the prolific thieves, drink-drivers etc etc is to remove them from society.

If we jailed repeat thieves including drug-addicts who are repeat theives to fund their habits for serious spells (4+ years) instead of 3 months it would be far safer for the rest of us.

You can not imagine the loss of quality of life victims suffer from the sort of low-level crime that would be reduced by keeping repeat offenders off the street.

What’s the alternative? Where do we put the rapists and peadophiles whilst we are “rehabilitating” them? What happens when they reoffend because the first lot of rehabilitation didn’t take? Go talk to a parent who had their child snatched, raped and murdered. See what they tell you. Prisons need to be there for a bloody good reason.

I would love to be in a society where peoples deep issues are noticed and helped at an early stage.

I dont think we are anywhere even close to not needing to lock some people away.
I do think that the prison system we have, doesn't work well. I think there are too many in prison when its not appropriate for them, and a lot of people who get let out and immediately go back to being a very real danger to society.

Definitely naive, disgenuous or stupid.

A lot of young adults are in jail for a whole lot of reasons, not least as it's better for them. Society needs to change dramatically economically and socially before doing away with prisons.

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you would castrate someone immediately the first time they were caught flashing?

Yeh ok. Why don’t you take some of them in OP. Why don’t you start a community project? Let us know how it goes

Great idea, OP! You'll be happy to live next door to a hostel for convicted murderers, rapists and paedophiles, won't you? What could possibly go wrong?

Care in the community was so successful so why not. Can't see what could possibly go wrong 🙄

OP.. Don't talk wet! 🙄

Prison should be a tougher place than it is to serve as a deterrent.
Prison by many is seen as easy time for the crime they do. Way too many home comforts like tv, kettles, phone use etc.
I truthfully believe it should be hard labour to payback to society.
That might make the criminals think twice before reoffending.

Is it the same as restorative justice where someone who brutalises and murders your child gets the opportunity to tell they take full accountability for their actions and they are very sorry?

Yeah, fuck that.

No. If someone Commits sexual assault, castrate them no second chances, if they murder someone then execute them, ditto terrorists. Prison should be harsh and punishing but I do think locking up petty criminals is a waste of time. We have a massive skills shortage in the UK so young criminals should be educated and trained and made to serve the remainder of their time using their trade towards community work. If they won’t engage then keep them locked up.

For the less jail time they either claim they are sorry or they don’t and just protest they are innocent.

My point was that most are liers who will say and do what they feel will work best for them and still go on to commit crimes again.