To say that prisons should be abolished altogether?

There's no deterrent to rape now. We have a 1% conviction rate. What planet are you on?

Yes, YABVVU. There would be absolutely no deterrent to serious crimes such as murder and rape and the numbers would rocket. Seriously, what planet are you living on?

You might want to clutch your pearls harder because it's actually the view of the prisoners minister and many senior people in the prison service. Except in very specific instances (West etc) there is very little rationale for imprisoning mothers. Women get far harsher sentencing than men as well.

Edit: Oh I just saw your post said 'immunity from prosecution' - that's not what the PP said. Learn to read.

Brilliant idea OP, there's a house 2 doors down from me for sale. I'll earmark it for Rose West 🙄.

Yabu.

prison is needed for those who present a risk of serious harm

This is by far the most insane thing I have ever read on Mumsnet. Being a mother should give you immunity from prosecution? I can't think of a single issue that would arise from this policy.

And obviously it doesn't apply to fathers. Because equality is such an outdated idea.

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I'm not sure why people keep saying this; they already are. We have very few full life termers in the UK.
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I'd like to see more whole life tariffs. Why should someone who has murdered be allowed to live most of their life free

I’d go further. Probably controversial. Whilst I don’t agree with state sanctioned executions, I do think there’s a discussion to be had about those sentenced to life having the option to choose lethal injection themselves. Several recent, horrific cases spring to mind, where guilt was crystal clear.

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I'd like to see more whole life tariffs. Why should someone who has murdered be allowed to live most of their life free

I’d go further. Probably controversial. Whilst I don’t agree with state sanctioned executions, I do think there’s a discussion to be had about those sentenced to life having the option to choose lethal injection themselves. Several recent, horrific cases spring to mind, where guilt was crystal clear.

It depends on the crime.

Women and especially mothers should not be locked up for non-violent crime.

The impact on mothers of having even short sentences is horrific - they often lose their jokes and custody of their DC. The same is not true for fathers - the DC typically stay with the mother and not much changes for the family.

I'd also say prison is outdated for drug possession, but you'd need decent treatment instead, much easier to access than currently.

But for dangerous, violent offenders yes they need to be removed from the community. Definitely including men who commit serious DV and coercive control on women and children. They really need to be locked up - what alternative is there?

Love this, reminds me of. John Brunner novel.

You think Peter Sutcliffe could have been rehabilitated?

I'd like to see more whole life tariffs. Why should someone who has murdered be allowed to live most of their life free?

Sure, just let convicted murderers, rapists and paedophiles live freely among us. No matter how many convictions they have, don't take away their freedom. No matter how heinous their crime, let them live freely among us.

Brilliant idea. How could it possibly go wrong...

Yeah. Let's let murderers, rapists, terrorists, drug dealers etc all do a wicker weaving course then pump them back into a civilised community....

Stocks? Pillories? Stoning?

I'm not sure why people keep saying this; they already are. We have very few full life termers in the UK.

But much lower crime now (apparently)

BTW I think it's barbaric so I'm not advocating it

Yes. Wrong post

And even if they can they are also initially still a danger to others.

You could

Shoplifting doesn't seem to get that much attention

The op lit the blue touch paper and retired!

Teenager? Silly? No critical thinking skills?

Laugh Out Loud.

No we’re not, due to moving here we had to start on the bottom ladder in our industries, I’ve only been working just over a year. My tax rate varies a little but its from 29.1-31%, I get a very small rebate otherwise my total tax rate would be 32%.

There are enough dangerous people roaming our streets as it is. We need more prisons and a more effective system. Yes, in principle rehabilitation is a positive thing which I support but in reality some people cannot be rehabilitated and go onto commit the most heinous crimes again. Would you want to live next door to them? Have your children near them? Work alongside them? If you genuinely think everyone can be rehabilitated then read the news about people who have continued to reoffend and the stories of people who have lost loved ones at their hands.

I'm sure OP is being deliberately contentious.

However, I'm also sure that we should have a policy of 'prison as a last resort' for lots of offences, but definitely not those of violence. Approximately 20% of female prisoners are in for non-payment of fines relating to not paying for a TV licence - do we think that's right? I don't. I'd get rid of the bloody licence anyway, but until then some other means of community punishment should surely be possible.

And of course Rudikubana, Rose West, Valdo Colocane, Ian Huntly and all the rest of that category should stay behind bars for the rest of their lives. But they aren't typical prisoners, so let's not measure the usual con by them.