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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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Upstartled · 18/02/2025 14:35

And Graham Stringer has piped up to demand a vote in the commons.:

"[There] certainly should be a Commons vote, and after failing in Basra and Helmand I would take some convincing,"

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 14:33

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 14:15

Diane Abbot - "If it's a durable, lasting peace then there will be no need for British troops on the ground. If not, and it could put this country at risk and troops in harm's way, then parliament should vote on it first".

Clive Lewis (served in Afghanistan) - "This course of action could put UK troops in harm's way against a nuclear power, without US support. That demands deeper and broader debate".

At least some on the left value our troops, unlike Starmer.

Thanks for this.

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 14:32

Stand ready' for Macron and Starner to use as photo shoots in fatigues more like.

So true. I wish people could make do with a pic of them in combat gear if that's their fancy rather than promote and normalising using troops

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 14:29

Apparently we can commit to an upper limit of 10k peacekeepers, but would more likely send over 5k. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Wonder how many we are asking the US to commit to whilst at the same time we would paint them as bullies and... facists, now...(?) apparently there is no upper limit to mn hyperbole.

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 14:23

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 13:38

Zelenskyy suggests that they'd need 200,000 peacekeeper to do the job of defending the border.

It seems the figure being thrown about for European peacekeeping troops stands at 30,000. Apparently the plan isn't to defend the border but to 'stand ready'.

'Stand ready' for Macron and Starner to use as photo shoots in fatigues more like.

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 14:15

Diane Abbot - "If it's a durable, lasting peace then there will be no need for British troops on the ground. If not, and it could put this country at risk and troops in harm's way, then parliament should vote on it first".

Clive Lewis (served in Afghanistan) - "This course of action could put UK troops in harm's way against a nuclear power, without US support. That demands deeper and broader debate".

At least some on the left value our troops, unlike Starmer.

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 13:42

Thanks @TheNuthatch it's unsettling to see where loyalty to a politician leads, particularly when it's young people and something this important

That WhatsApp is bad

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 13:38

Zelenskyy suggests that they'd need 200,000 peacekeeper to do the job of defending the border.

It seems the figure being thrown about for European peacekeeping troops stands at 30,000. Apparently the plan isn't to defend the border but to 'stand ready'.

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 13:25

There doesn't seem to be a lot of joined up thinking going around at the moment. Apparently mnetters would like to snub America for being too aggressive and would also like Europe to club together and play peacekeeper in Ukraine. With no real understanding that to do that we need the muscle of the US.

It stretches the imagination to think that people could be so naive, until you remember that ideological support is a faith based belief system that operates without a hook onto reality.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 18/02/2025 13:07

twistyizzy · 18/02/2025 12:54

Have you seen what Labour Comms teams create? This is cringeworthy

Who is Dad? Is that Labour Party’s dad? Karl Marx reporting for duty?

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 13:05

That should have been a good news story for Labour to sell yesterday. I feel a bit sorry for Streeting as it got drowned out by Starmer making a twat of himself on the world stage.

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 13:03

twistyizzy · 18/02/2025 12:54

Have you seen what Labour Comms teams create? This is cringeworthy

Oh dear, cringe indeed!

twistyizzy · 18/02/2025 12:54

Have you seen what Labour Comms teams create? This is cringeworthy

Angela from Housing
TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 12:37

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 09:12

Seeing the reaction just because the politician they like says it. Terrifying.

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I've just caught up on that thread. You've been fighting a good fight on there ES 👏

The Starmer fans seem to have gone a little quieter since Starmer received his lesson in statesmanship from the Europeans.

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 11:26

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 11:10

Basically, the only thing that all the European leaders are clear on is that they'd like the US to say on-side and not to leave them to do it themselves.

True

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 11:18

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 11:03

Italy and Spain, like Scholz, says that it is far too soon for these discussions - but they said it more politely.

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Thank you

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 11:10

Basically, the only thing that all the European leaders are clear on is that they'd like the US to say on-side and not to leave them to do it themselves.

Upstartled · 18/02/2025 11:03

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 08:59

I heard on the news that only France and Sweden agreed with Starmer's proposals yesterday. Is that right? So Germany, Spain and Italy said no??

Italy and Spain, like Scholz, says that it is far too soon for these discussions - but they said it more politely.

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 09:12

marshmallowmix · 18/02/2025 08:59

Exactly our young people shouldn’t be anywhere near there 🤔he is an idiot they all are it’s scary!!

Seeing the reaction just because the politician they like says it. Terrifying.

Sherbs12 · 18/02/2025 09:11

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 09:04

God help us with those two.

Zelensky travelling to Saudi on Wednesday I think. Let's hope he's in the room.

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Exactly.

Also, just with regards to previous posts about a European coalition / joint intervention, this is something Macron has been calling for and wanted for several years now - I can see reports from at least 2018 - so it will be interesting to see if his ambitions and these talks do take on some format, whether it’s in relation to Ukraine or not.

EasternStandard · 18/02/2025 09:10

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 09:02

Also heard that Starmer is planning to 'demand' a backstop from the US. We commit 5000 troops, which would actually be 15000 on rotation and the US also commit troops. Why does he think he's in a position to demand anything from Trump? Am I missing something here?

He can't. They'll only do it if it's in their interest

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 09:04

Sherbs12 · 18/02/2025 09:03

So ‘negotiations’ have begun in Saudi Arabia - Lavrov and Rubio leading the discussions and Ukraine not there, as Zelensky said they were not invited.

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God help us with those two.

Zelensky travelling to Saudi on Wednesday I think. Let's hope he's in the room.

marshmallowmix · 18/02/2025 09:04

I saw reeves tried to block those who overpaid on commission for car loans being paid …it was thrown out! They are not for the little people. Cannot stand any of them it gets worse every week

Sherbs12 · 18/02/2025 09:03

So ‘negotiations’ have begun in Saudi Arabia - Lavrov and Rubio leading the discussions and Ukraine not there, as Zelensky said they were not invited.

TheNuthatch · 18/02/2025 09:02

Also heard that Starmer is planning to 'demand' a backstop from the US. We commit 5000 troops, which would actually be 15000 on rotation and the US also commit troops. Why does he think he's in a position to demand anything from Trump? Am I missing something here?

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