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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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dottydodah · 09/02/2025 13:21

Well Portsmouth Council say they have no room to build the amount the govt was suggesting .Its a fairly small town, and is fairly compacted already.I think some other councils will have similar problems .Add the amount of Architects,Bricklayers ,Glaziers ,carpenters and painters/electricians /labourers the list is endless ! Its a plan which hasnt been thought out properly .We are a small island with a lot of housing being concentrated in the south east.I dont think he set Ms Rayner up to fail exactly .I think they say a large figure, and then do say half .Everyone will be pleased ,from the naysayers to the people who are in need of housing .I agree "Angela from housing"is sexist and patronising .She is an elected member of parliament FFS!

TheEllisGreyMethod · 09/02/2025 13:20

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:15

But we aren't talking about Tories cos they aren't in government. This thread is about Rayner/Labour so whataboutery isn't relevant

The tories started that system though

Doloresparton · 09/02/2025 13:20

HellsBalls · 09/02/2025 13:12

@mitogoshigg ”Finally scrapping stamp duty for people over 60 downsizing by at least 2 bedrooms to properties of 2 or fewer bedrooms worth under £500k to incentivise downsizing freeing up large properties. I haven't thought through this obvious, I'm not a politician or housing expert but I see through work so many couples and single older people in houses of 4 or 5 bedrooms they are struggling to maintain yet they won't move because of the cost of moving.”

No, it should be change stamp duty for everyone or no one. Why should people who have massive untaxed gains be exempted? Sends a bad signal to tax payers struggling to pay their way.
I’d prefer replacing Stamp Duty with a capital gains tax (for a one off tax) or better a monthly land value tax. If you own a £100k house you pay substantially less than someone in a £1m house.

And yet as is often pointed out by the Boomer haters on here, these £1million homes were inexpensive to buy compared to now.
Therefore older people owning these homes may well be living on a very small income and couldn't afford these taxes.

I think its very worrying that anyone wants to manipulate taxes to prevent the elderly from having a free choice over remaining in a home they've bought and paid for.
It's not up to the elderly to bear the brunt of successive government's lack of care or foresight regarding housing.

OccasionalHope · 09/02/2025 13:18

BeTwinklyKhakiPanda · 09/02/2025 12:32

YABU because 'Angela from Housing' is just plain nasty

Sorry OP, but your extension won’t help the housing targets.

Ps didn’t mean to quote a random post, but can’t see how to remove that bit.

Hermitta · 09/02/2025 13:17

We don't need more housing. We need less people.

If the population keeps growing at its expected rate, then living standards and quality of live will be horrific within a few decades.

HellsBalls · 09/02/2025 13:16

Ang from Housing will be judged in a couple of years on results.
However I believe we are heading into a recession, and if the government doesn’t come up with some more funding for the house building, she’ll fail by a good margin.
The government could equally reduce immigration to bare minimum and reduce some pressure that way.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:15

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:13

From the delegates eligible to vote at Labour conference where policy is decided, the delegates come from three places: local Labour parties, trade unions and socialist societies.The local parties and trade unions (along with other affiliated socialist societies) each make up 50% of the vote on the conference floor.

So yes they can dictate policy.

No they can’t. They can contribute to discussion and vote, but don’t have a majority so others would have to agree. Policy isn’t dictated by conference, though it does have an influence.

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:15

KimberleyClark · 09/02/2025 13:11

That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

which the Tories would never dream of doing of course.

But we aren't talking about Tories cos they aren't in government. This thread is about Rayner/Labour so whataboutery isn't relevant

Chenecinquantecinq · 09/02/2025 13:15

Yes it's a ridiculously unrealistic target. Absolutely won't happen in any way shape or form. Should just be honest and say we are attempting to take a step in the right direction but this will be a long arduous process for example we don't have nearly enough staff in local planning offices to even attempt to deal with things.

Honesty isn't part of politics though too dull!!!!!

Feckedupbundle · 09/02/2025 13:14

edwinbear · 09/02/2025 12:28

It was never going to happen. I work very closely with social housing providers, they are very keen to build more homes but they simply don’t have the funds to build that many. There has been no increase in grant funding, all their cash is going on remediation works to their existing stock - cladding, damp and ESG targets. They’ve also been absolutely floored by increases to NI and NMW. Most of them have reduced their development plans. There are also simply not enough construction workers.

You are bang on correct. In addition to that,costs of construction materials have rocketed,even if you can get the materials in the first place. Apparently there is a shortage of bricks now too.
Not so long ago,you couldn't get mill waste or other types of aggregates,as HS2 was taking them all. They will NEVER build the numbers of houses being touted.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:14

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:12

I think you quoted me by mistake

Oops. I did. Sorry.
I meant @twistyizzy and her ‘example’ of an unaffiliated train drivers union getting their strike settled immediately.

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:13

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:09

I dont say its perfect and no I dont agree with private health care operating at profit within the NHS

I dont oppose unions per se.

And no they dont dictate policy, governments can pick and choose what policies they enact or vote for.

Im not sure I agree with WASPI women getting something but thats not the whole of my position, this is not the thread for it anyway.

From the delegates eligible to vote at Labour conference where policy is decided, the delegates come from three places: local Labour parties, trade unions and socialist societies.The local parties and trade unions (along with other affiliated socialist societies) each make up 50% of the vote on the conference floor.

So yes they can dictate policy.

adorablecat · 09/02/2025 13:13

Parsley1234 · 09/02/2025 12:41

She’s on her way out she’s deliberately been kept out of the public eye as she’s a train wreck. Rayner was put in the front bench to appease the unions she’s uneducated and chippy. Rachel from accounts Bridget from the block Two Tier Keir millipede they’re all dreadful human beings hell bent on ruining this country

At least they know how to use punctuation.

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 13:13

KimberleyClark · 09/02/2025 13:11

That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

which the Tories would never dream of doing of course.

Hang on, You mean to tell us Tories didn’t get booted out at the last election. No way. I thought they had.
How the hell did we miss that it’s the Tories in charge now.

ruffler45 · 09/02/2025 13:12

There is an old adage, time or cost or quality , you cant have all 3, as time is of the essence (none have been built to date and the clock is ticking) cost and quality will probably suffer and someone else will end up paying for it in the future. long after this government has gone.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:12

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 13:11

Look up Labour and their ‘green donors’.

The whole thing is a cesspit. Massive corruption. Billions are being borrowed in our name to be pissed up the wall to make their donors happy.

Edited

Got a link? I mean, presumably you’ve looked it up?
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence, after all.

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:12

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:11

Train drivers union is one of the ones who don’t donate to the Labour Party, so, no they aren’t paying to dictate policy. Settling the dispute was cheaper for the country than allowing it to rumble on.

I think you quoted me by mistake

HellsBalls · 09/02/2025 13:12

@mitogoshigg ”Finally scrapping stamp duty for people over 60 downsizing by at least 2 bedrooms to properties of 2 or fewer bedrooms worth under £500k to incentivise downsizing freeing up large properties. I haven't thought through this obvious, I'm not a politician or housing expert but I see through work so many couples and single older people in houses of 4 or 5 bedrooms they are struggling to maintain yet they won't move because of the cost of moving.”

No, it should be change stamp duty for everyone or no one. Why should people who have massive untaxed gains be exempted? Sends a bad signal to tax payers struggling to pay their way.
I’d prefer replacing Stamp Duty with a capital gains tax (for a one off tax) or better a monthly land value tax. If you own a £100k house you pay substantially less than someone in a £1m house.

Doloresparton · 09/02/2025 13:12

Well with the new EPC ratings being imposed on LL's by 2030 they'll need to build new homes because there will be very little to rent privately.
Getting a C rating on an old property will , in many cases, be very difficult, expensive and quite possibly damaging to the building.

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:11

Movinghouseatlast · 09/02/2025 13:10

Because it's diminishing her role and achievements. Because it's only women who are referred to in this way, so it's misogyny.

It really isnt only women who are referred this way, you must be living under a rock or something. Ive been following politics for over 40 years, believe me, this is standard discourse.

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 13:11

Look up Labour and their ‘green donors’.

The whole thing is a cesspit. Massive corruption. Billions are being borrowed in our name to be pissed up the wall to make their donors happy.

cardibach · 09/02/2025 13:11

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 13:09

I dont say its perfect and no I dont agree with private health care operating at profit within the NHS

I dont oppose unions per se.

And no they dont dictate policy, governments can pick and choose what policies they enact or vote for.

Im not sure I agree with WASPI women getting something but thats not the whole of my position, this is not the thread for it anyway.

Train drivers union is one of the ones who don’t donate to the Labour Party, so, no they aren’t paying to dictate policy. Settling the dispute was cheaper for the country than allowing it to rumble on.

KimberleyClark · 09/02/2025 13:11

That's why Labour are using private healthcare to support NHS. Bunging a few million £ to their mates.

which the Tories would never dream of doing of course.

Movinghouseatlast · 09/02/2025 13:10

godmum56 · 09/02/2025 13:07

Why is being "from housing" considered a slur?

Because it's diminishing her role and achievements. Because it's only women who are referred to in this way, so it's misogyny.

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 09/02/2025 13:10

JimHalpertsWife · 09/02/2025 12:20

Also, she isn't "Angela from Housing" - she's the deputy PM and calling her that nickname is quite misogynistic.

Thank you!