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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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opoponax · 09/02/2025 15:27

'Angela from housing' tells me everything I need to know about your capacity for analytical thought. Misogynistic twaddle.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 09/02/2025 15:26

According to a recent letter to the Guardian...

'...developers already have planning consent for more than one million homes. These unused permissions not only represent a missed opportunity; they are an obstacle to the allocation of other land in the local plan. If the Government wants to see some building, then it should make some minor changes to planning law.
Make all consents lapse after five years without automatic right of renewal...'

Perhaps that would be a start?

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 15:25

Saggyknickers · 09/02/2025 15:12

Im keen to see vast vast building of social housing properties, then regulations around private market rents and the use of guarantors to be phased out. These are real sticking blocks to people finding private rentals.

You do realise LL's are getting out in droves? Or haven't you noticed the massive increase in homelessness? Having a guarantor is one of the only avenues left for LL's to have a minuscule chance of recouping their money or getting bad tenants out.

Use your brain - what do you think bringing in even more arbitrary rules will achieve? As others have pointed out, with the plans to bring in much stricter EPC rules there will be barely any LL's left as it is. Spending £30K on insulating a house isn't possible for most small time LL's. Especially if you are not allowed to increase the rent to recoup your costs added to having a long and costly journey to get your property back when your tenants stop paying rent.

My db has just had to spend almost £10K getting his house back in order after the tenants left. It was wrecked. They lived there for a year paying £1000pcm. You do the figures. Obviously he won't be repeating that and is selling up. Ditto several other people I know.

It isn't worth it for smaller LL's any more, hence they are all getting out (this isn't something that's going to happen - it's happening and set to get worse).

Yes LL are reducing, this is because we've had arguments and pushing for more regulation of a market of private rentals without the back up of social rentals to even things out

You'll see if you read my post properly that the priority in my view is to build huge swathes of social housing. I believe there is room for private rentals, there should not, not everyone wants to buy and thats ok, but the market has been skewed by the absence of social housing options.

There do need to be regulations around market rents, it should not be that someone needs a guarantor to rent a property, not everyone has someone who can do this yet they are being denied housing because of that

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 15:22

Saggyknickers · 09/02/2025 15:21

At least Truss had the grace to resign! Labour seem to think they are beyond reproach, it's astounding.

Their tweets baying for her blood haven't aged well. But there again none of their tweets have aged well eg WFA, farming, tax rises etc

TheHateIsNotGood · 09/02/2025 15:21

Haven't read the thread but with regards to planning permission, in my local area, over the past decade many acres of greenfields with woodlands have been granted planning permission for 2,500+ houses merely because the Local Council didn't get their Local Plan produced in a timely manner. The result being no challenges could be made as the speculator/developers would win at Inquiry.

And the land with planning permission was landbanked and only developed in small parts when there was enough of a market to sell at inflated prices to. With the final permissions being granted with a greatly reduced affordable/social housing % due to the usual developer excuse of it being financially unviable to build more than 10% in total.

Since the election of the new government, suddenly all the developers sprung into action and started on their developments. I think they were spooked into action worried about compulsory purchase.

For me, the interesting thing is that it appears the developers aren't singing from the same song sheet, just banging up their houses as fast as they can. When each developer's 1st phase is ready to market, I'm not entirely sure who they plan to sell them to as there's only so many people who wish to and can relocate to this part of the SW as most locals can't afford to buy them, not even the so-called 'affordable' ones..

Saggyknickers · 09/02/2025 15:21

twistyizzy · 09/02/2025 13:43

More a case of too much evidence!

By every measure they accused Truss of, Reeves has hit. We are heading towards a recession, increase in NI has resulted in companies freezing recruitment or laying people off. Look at BoE forecasts, CBI statements etc. Reeves is a disaster.

Edited

At least Truss had the grace to resign! Labour seem to think they are beyond reproach, it's astounding.

JoyousGreyOrca · 09/02/2025 15:16

We do not have a long history of classist or misogynistic names.

HPFA · 09/02/2025 15:16

Obviously he won't be repeating that and is selling up. Ditto several other people I know.

Good. Combine that with Rayner building houses and maybe prices will drop and people will be able to afford HOMES once again.

And yes, I lived through negative equity - and was grateful to be paying less than renting and to have a SECURE HOME. The bit I was saving on rent went into savings so I could cover the equity gap if needed.

Greypop · 09/02/2025 15:16

So many things in this country make NO sense. My parents are selling their current home and very much wanted to build a home. They didn’t want to build a McMansion but a tasteful home which was in keeping with the local surroundings. Even with a budget of £900k they settled against the idea as it was just too big of an uphill battle and too risky. Spent about £25k on consultation fees and surveyors and the like.

No common sense.

OriginalUsername2 · 09/02/2025 15:15

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 12:45

I dont actually agree with the OPs position, I hope and like to think we can get more housing built and this will be successful

However horrible or denigrating nick names for government ministers is nothing new, its not misogyny, nor should it be reduced. We have a long long political history of satire and sarcasm about those in power, going right back to when the printing press made this more available to the public

Its exactly the same as 30p Lee, or 'call me Dave', or any number of ones that Ive since long forgotten. Tarzan anyone? Two Jags? Welsh Windbag?

However horrible or denigrating nick names for government ministers is nothing new, its not misogyny, nor should it be reduced. We have a long long political history of satire and sarcasm about those in power, going right back to when the printing press made this more available to the public

This is what I was thinking. Agreed!

Political satire seems needed - if you don’t laugh you’ll cry.

surreywilds · 09/02/2025 15:14

Jossjt · 09/02/2025 12:32

Does anyone know how many she has built so far? She should have built 150k so far.

The faux outrage at OP’s title is simply a way to deflect attention from the fact that tis government is atrocious, even worse the last one. And Rayner is of low calibre and she’s being found out.

tis government is atrocious, even worse the last one.

So the gov in power since July ( just over 6 months) is worse than the shit show of Truss, Sunak and Boris and May?

BOLLOCKS.

Saggyknickers · 09/02/2025 15:12

Im keen to see vast vast building of social housing properties, then regulations around private market rents and the use of guarantors to be phased out. These are real sticking blocks to people finding private rentals.

You do realise LL's are getting out in droves? Or haven't you noticed the massive increase in homelessness? Having a guarantor is one of the only avenues left for LL's to have a minuscule chance of recouping their money or getting bad tenants out.

Use your brain - what do you think bringing in even more arbitrary rules will achieve? As others have pointed out, with the plans to bring in much stricter EPC rules there will be barely any LL's left as it is. Spending £30K on insulating a house isn't possible for most small time LL's. Especially if you are not allowed to increase the rent to recoup your costs added to having a long and costly journey to get your property back when your tenants stop paying rent.

My db has just had to spend almost £10K getting his house back in order after the tenants left. It was wrecked. They lived there for a year paying £1000pcm. You do the figures. Obviously he won't be repeating that and is selling up. Ditto several other people I know.

It isn't worth it for smaller LL's any more, hence they are all getting out (this isn't something that's going to happen - it's happening and set to get worse).

HPFA · 09/02/2025 15:12

1457bloom · 09/02/2025 15:08

Yes but so many people complaining about immigration.

It's just an excuse.

I was working on some local newspapers from the 70s and 80s once and every one had a letter from someone saying "why are we building houses? Stop immigration instead!" That was a period when immigration dropped from around 70,000 to 50,000 a year.

ruffler45 · 09/02/2025 15:09

sussexman · 09/02/2025 14:50

I don't recall anyone complaining about Oliver Dowden being an unsuitable deputy PM because being a spad and PR guy weren't good qualifications and experience, or about Michael Gove being unsuitable for Housing secretary since he was an author and journalist. The bile that Rayner
gets is 99% snobbery and misogyny.

That was the point most "career" politicians do not have the experience and life skills for the roles they are given regardless of party,

Would you like an inexperienced plumber, electrcian or doctor working for you?

Unfortunately people seem to vote for their politician based on what they say not what they are qualified for, talk and pledges are not legally binding...

Bluebellwood129 · 09/02/2025 15:08

She's set herself up to fail with her lack of knowledge of the construction industry. Starmer will sit back and enjoy her humiliation.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/02/2025 15:08

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 12:45

I dont actually agree with the OPs position, I hope and like to think we can get more housing built and this will be successful

However horrible or denigrating nick names for government ministers is nothing new, its not misogyny, nor should it be reduced. We have a long long political history of satire and sarcasm about those in power, going right back to when the printing press made this more available to the public

Its exactly the same as 30p Lee, or 'call me Dave', or any number of ones that Ive since long forgotten. Tarzan anyone? Two Jags? Welsh Windbag?

30p - refers to something specific he said
Tarzan - hardly unflattering
Two Jags - takes the piss out of the cars
Called me Dave - something specific he said

...from Accounts
...from Housing

Both designed to reduce the women concerned to stereotypical, frequently low paid female employment.

1457bloom · 09/02/2025 15:08

Tomorrowisanewday · 09/02/2025 14:30

As previous posters have said, planning permission is only part of the problem. I work in construction, and work on both private developments and developments for RSLs. Regardless of the sector that is being built (housing, commercial, healthcare, schools etc), we dont have the workforce to deliver. That has been happening for 10 years, but a combination of an aging workforce, not enough young people being attracted into the industry, and even our European colleagues going home (was happening before Brexit), this target is likely to be failed because of the labour shortage

Yes but so many people complaining about immigration.

JoyousGreyOrca · 09/02/2025 15:07

1457bloom · 09/02/2025 15:05

I prefer Angela from accounts.

So you are comfortable with misogyny and classism.
Got to keep those working class women in their place?

MellowCritic · 09/02/2025 15:07

Are you kidding me the biggest lie was Labour saying they were going to build more then the Conservatives did and blah blah blah... there has not been one piece of land that can fit a toe nail into that they haven't build on near where I live, for years, blocks , and blocks of small flats, or houses no extra doctors , no extra schools. Just 1000s of flats, who exactly are all these 1000000 that need housing and will the government accept we don't need any more houses we need less ppl.

HPFA · 09/02/2025 15:07

I thought if I worked hard and saved my money I could have a little house with a scrap of garden and some peace and quiet. I don’t ask for much, just some peace and space and natural beauty.

Funnily enough, younger people would also like the chance to have a secure home. Are they supposed to sacrifice that dream so you can look at a field?

Presumably the nice little house you imagined was also a field once?

1457bloom · 09/02/2025 15:05

I prefer Angela from accounts.

soupyspoon · 09/02/2025 15:02

JoyousGreyOrca · 09/02/2025 15:00

They admitted later they had not understood Northern Ireland and the significance of the Good Friday agreement. Utter incompetence.

Absolutely horrific

Plus the MP for Dover not knowing or understanding Dover's significance as a major port!!!!

But you know, we mustnt call people names

HellsBalls · 09/02/2025 15:01

Tomorrowisanewday · 09/02/2025 14:30

As previous posters have said, planning permission is only part of the problem. I work in construction, and work on both private developments and developments for RSLs. Regardless of the sector that is being built (housing, commercial, healthcare, schools etc), we dont have the workforce to deliver. That has been happening for 10 years, but a combination of an aging workforce, not enough young people being attracted into the industry, and even our European colleagues going home (was happening before Brexit), this target is likely to be failed because of the labour shortage

Fair comments. However you can be taught to lay bricks competently (if slowly) in 6 months. Most other trades can be done under the eye of an experienced supervisor. Houses can also be made pre-fab and only finished on site.
Up the wages on the building trade and make people employees, not pseudo self employed, introduce more colleges and Skillcenters to learn the trade, etc.
It can be done, but it won’t be.

Felizsenora · 09/02/2025 15:01

ManchesterGirl2 · 09/02/2025 12:29

Why are you using that misogynistic title?

Because she is out of her depth.

HPFA · 09/02/2025 15:01

Salacia · 09/02/2025 14:44

Between these thread titles and posters falling over themselves to explain away nazi salutes mumsnet is really becoming the pit of vipers it was always accused of being.

It's part of a deliberate strategy.

Anything any government even remotely left-wing does is pulled apart - "haven't solved fourteen years worth of problems in eight months. Terrible....."

Then you elect (or don't elect) President Musk to rip apart the whole government, remove data protection, financial regulation, decimate health, universities, scientific research, workers rights, all with the aim of making super-rich people even richer.