Angela from Housing

Agree that speech was great. Sunak's best I remember. If he'd spoken like that while he was actually PM the result would have been a lot closer.

@TheNuthatch

But if these aren't people from the professions like law, or from public services, or with experiences of tough lives like rayner .. who are they ?

@TheNuthatch yes in fact it reminds me of sunaks speech on leaving no 10 and Rees moggs speech both magnanimous in defeat. Sadly labours front bench are not fit for office regardless of education class background they just are not cutting it. Listening to their voices it’s not just Starmer that needs a voice coach they could do a job lot in one go

Agree totally offensive.

Reform/Farage are all of those things.
Maybe you should direct your anger at Labour as they are currently handing Farage the keys to no.10 on a silver platter. The more Labour fuck up, the easier it is for Farage.

Oh stop being patronising. Of course I do. It is supercilious comments like this that turns people away, why do the Left always think they are intellectually superior?
I was born to socialist parents and somehow managed to get an undergrad degree, MA etc I am completely aware of the political spectrum. Go and be condescending somewhere else

It means I want and expect the people running our country to be the best and most talented people we have. Not a bunch of ex lawyers who did well at a comp.

@twistyizzy Are you saying Reform aren't right wing? Do you know what makes a policy right wing, socially and economically?

(Please note I didn't say far right)

Ah the old "right wing" accusations for anyone who doesn't agree with Labour. Well guess what, that's a huge % of the electorate at the moment and to keep calling anyone who opposes you "RW" is to push them towards Reform. Each time Labour obfuscate, lie, throw out RW accusations etc then the more they ensure Reform victory. They had a huge opportunity and have quite frankly fucked up.

Well, respect is earned. Some of us are struggling to find it for both of them.

Putin, Aaron Banks (so sue me), Farage, Trump..... all here on mumsnet and not one of them creating a world that will do anything other than impoverish women's lives and life chances.

Fucking depressing. I'm going to get a glass of wine.

@twistyizzy Yeah, and they're not using misogynistic insulting names for the education secretary like "from the bloc"

For fucks sake.

This thread is RW propaganda and classist with it.

The difference is that those nicknames are all based on specific scenarios or incidents or quotes involving those people, whereas “Rachel from Accounts” and “Angela from Housing” aren’t referencing anything specific they have done / said, but are just names to belittle their positions and make them seem like little women that are being humoured.

I think it is quite polite. You should have a certain level of education or experience to do the job she’s doing. It’s terrifying that you think it’s ok for her to just crack on with it. She has no idea what she is doing. None of them do. I think that is glaringly obvious b the complete and utter mess they are making.

Hop on to the VAT threads, lots of parents with SEN kids opposing the policy on there!

@twistyizzy yeah because all the state funding was withdrawn from them. Shame. Good idea; better than most care for teens - especially with so many kids in dysfunctional privately run children's homes ending up involved in things like county lines

Excellent point.

Musk's links with Putin in the last couple of years aren't new news. Putin's intervention in Brexit vote isn't new news. I'm convinced Putin supports Farage as well.

The problem with the last statement about right propaganda - who was the strongest opposition to Putin in entire Europe? BoJo. Then Truss. What's happened with both? Labour aren't anti Putin at all, they make right noises but do nothing, so in a way Labour win is good for him.

For avoidance of doubt - I'm utterly terrified of Reform. And this in one of the reasons why I despise Labour, because they pave the way.

Most state boarding schools are now just for middle class, Home Counties kids. They pay roughly same fees as independent day schools.

What does that actually mean? What are you saying? Because they all ended up at the same universities mostly.

So are you saying that the wealthiest deserve to be parachuted into government by birth right because they're just... better at it?

And based on what metrics compared to this last government?

@TheNuthatch Nobody on this thread slagging off Bridget Phillipson is doing so because of the SEN crisis. Would that were a single mother knee deep in real life policy implications talking about it and being heard!!!

"Angela from Housing"?! It's just a bunch of Reform and CPHQ interns jacking off over their future expenses accounts.

Well said! On a similar note, let's also not forget how the Tories dealt with Grenfell fall out - Teresa May famously refusing to meet survivors. The sheer callousness.

@Parsley1234 He may have been informed that AR had been referred to Prevent and some of the materials they found, but this horrendous, heinous crime wasn’t classified as a terrorist attack influenced by a specific ideology. There were a lot of inaccurate rumours circulating on social media (and being shamefully exploited by Farage and the like). Emotions and anger were understandably high, but for Southport police and town to be attacked by rioters, in the days that followed is indefensible. Nobody owes those rioters anything. These constant demands for the public to know everything immediately and immediate justice to be taken without full facts and legal due process is unhelpful and dangerous. One of the victim’s parents have openly spoken about how much they valued Starmer visiting them in the days after the crime (without media coverage) and promising them justice - I think any decent person will factor that into their opinion.

Either ways it's the smallest proportion of privately educated cabinet members in our history.

And it shows!

David Lammy went to a state boarding school, as you say. Some people might not know these exist. Most of these have been closed down, which I personally disagree with. Their outcomes far exceed the general expectations for care experienced children.

Louise haigh isn't in the cabinet.

Starmer's school was state and converted to independent while he was there in his last year, and as an existing pupil he didn't pay fees - I don't think that counts, but feel free to disagree

Healey went to a private sixth form but sat his O levels at state.

Either ways it's the smallest proportion of privately educated cabinet members in our history.