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Angela from Housing

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billysboy · 09/02/2025 12:18

Ainu to think Angela Rayners has been set up to fail on her 1.5m homes target ?
you can barely get planning permission through for a small extension in under 10 weeks let alone 1.5 m new homes
Every month that goes by the shortage compounds
I wonder if Kier has set her up to fail

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LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 11:15

Ok. I disagree. Doesn't matter what they did, if it wasn't NI it would be something else- we'd still be in this position for a decade.

mowmiaow · 10/02/2025 11:14

Blame Brexit and the Tories for this. Not Labour. Too soon.

People are again blaming labour, the same way they did after the 2008 global recession. Which was a GLOBAL recession.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 11:11

But it's not because of Labour policies. They haven't had a chance to wash through yet.

They are absolutely washing through.

I can see why Labour are tracking towards recession. They can't grasp the impact of the budget and are likely having similar discussions and deflections rn.

That's jobs lost whilst you and they do that though.

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 11:09

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 10:47

@LostittoBostik which part of the economy is better please ? I’m very keen to know

It's not.

But it's not because of Labour policies. They haven't had a chance to wash through yet.

I'm not saying it will definitely be better as a result, just that we don't know.

The economy is in a terrible downward spiral as a result of brexit, housing costs, pandemic overhang and desperate poverty. Most of it is a result of policies implemented in about 2012.

We really won't know whether Labour was onto the right track until 2035 IMO

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 11:06

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:57

Starmer has made it clear that he will not entertain any of these suggestions. He won't even accept youth mobility.

If Europe continues turning right, they may drop their insistence that any deal with the UK would involve the UK accepting freedom of movement, which would help Starmer.

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Yes, I know he’s taken that stance (although there seems to be considerable and growing support for him to change that approach) - I was just interested to know if that was one of the pivots/choices the pp was referring to.

As you say, what happens in Europe will be very interesting.

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:57

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 10:48

Should one of those pivots/decisions involve possibly re-joining the EU / the single market and customs?

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Starmer has made it clear that he will not entertain any of these suggestions. He won't even accept youth mobility.

If Europe continues turning right, they may drop their insistence that any deal with the UK would involve the UK accepting freedom of movement, which would help Starmer.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:56

You're entitled to your view that the economy is in a worse place because of labour policies. I personally disagree.

I'm interested in @Parsley1234 question too.

Sherbs12 · 10/02/2025 10:48

nearlylovemyusername · 10/02/2025 10:25

I agree with you on this point completely, about being manipulated by putin

But think about it - what was in his interest since he started the war? GTTO! again, Tory, BoJo and Truss in particular, were the strongest putin's opponents in Europe. So they are gone.

Last year Reform didn't get a chance so we have Labour, who are very neutral to putin, who crash economy big time and grow pro Reform sentiment in response to their failures. Putin will have a field day in next election here. Even if we win jackpot and Reform doesn't perform well, UK will be sort of irrelevant on world scene given major economic failures of this government.

Labour need to listen and pivot, and yes, make unpopular decisions, but not unpopular amongst businesses.

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Should one of those pivots/decisions involve possibly re-joining the EU / the single market and customs?

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 10:47

@LostittoBostik which part of the economy is better please ? I’m very keen to know

MrsSkylerWhite · 10/02/2025 10:47

Grow up.

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:46

@marshmallowmix But we have a massive job to reclaim our place in the world after Brexit. If he didn't get involved in overseas diplomacy the economy would be in an even worse place and there would be so much bitching about him hiding in Downing Street letting our previous world leader status slip away. There's no right answer for him in terms of perception. Situation would be the same for any Tory leader. Or LD. Or Reform.

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 10:46

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:44

You're entitled to your view that the economy is in a worse place because of labour policies. I personally disagree.

The rest of your post is just a string of classist personal insults. It's depressing. Why not engage with the substance of the debate instead of using these weird nicknames? I know the left does this too. I hate it on both sides. It's so demeaning of our democracy.

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I mean pretty much every economic commentator agrees that Labour are screwing the economy so it's not just the opinion of a few posters on MN.

marshmallowmix · 10/02/2025 10:44

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 09:55

I mean those of us fighting against VAT on education had a good idea as we had experience of trying to engage with Phillipson during the election. Hence why I didn't vote Labour for first time in my life, I also now will never vote for them again after this lot!

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yep @twistyizzy she is another level of useless...I've a family member in the sector trying to engage with this last year and consensus was that they hoped someone with common sense would step in to the room and stop it ....it is madness and driven by ideology...hell bent on destroying stuff - businesses, schools, farms....let's hope they can't somehow do another 4 years it is the lunatics running the asylum at the moment...

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:44

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 09:55

@LostittoBostik they have completely trashed the economy their unbelievably short sighted policies have killed any green shoots which we had when Sunak was out. Their uncosted un realistic policies are ideological and damaging to every single one in this country. Mad Ed is going for broke he shouldn’t even be in charge of a petrol pump let alone the money Reeves gave him last week Rayner pull up the ladder behind you Phillipson chippy Reeves put her deapth cooper sane Starmer well what can I say a total tool (makers son) who went to a fee paying school by luck !

You're entitled to your view that the economy is in a worse place because of labour policies. I personally disagree.

The rest of your post is just a string of classist personal insults. It's depressing. Why not engage with the substance of the debate instead of using these weird nicknames? I know the left does this too. I hate it on both sides. It's so demeaning of our democracy.

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:43

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:41

Listening to Chris Mason on R4 this morning, tonight's news will show film of migrants being rounded up in nail salons etc.
It seems Starmer has gone all Trumpian.

Oh my...

That'll work for them (not). They are looking at the polls after all

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:42

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:41

@EasternStandard Yes, but that doesn't answer my point.... she obvs had meetings with the banks before the budget

Well she clearly didn't listen if she did! Are you not embarrassed by this?

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:42

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:41

@EasternStandard Yes, but that doesn't answer my point.... she obvs had meetings with the banks before the budget

And do you think it's a good thing?

TheNuthatch · 10/02/2025 10:41

Listening to Chris Mason on R4 this morning, tonight's news will show film of migrants being rounded up in nail salons etc.
It seems Starmer has gone all Trumpian.

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:41

@EasternStandard Yes, but that doesn't answer my point.... she obvs had meetings with the banks before the budget

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:40

@nearlylovemyusername yes sorry I did somehow misread your earlier posts - I thought you'd said you were a Labour-Reform switcher. Apologies. I just have confused your thread of replies with another poster

Parsley1234 · 10/02/2025 10:40

@ThatsNotMyTeen she’s VVU taking the job she’s out of her depth

EasternStandard · 10/02/2025 10:39

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:37

@EasternStandard Of course she did before... this is just one they're announcing to make something to put on the 24 hour news cycle.

This is incidentally why I think politics needs to stop pandering to the demand for news content. People read way too much into what they do announced (eg "why are they only doing this now?" When the real question is "why are they talking about this particular meeting publicly, and stayed silent about all the others?")

@LostittoBostik did you read the FT post? Do you see what the issue is with the job market?

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:38

@nearlylovemyusername Why do you think Labour is neutral to Putin? I can't see how you've drawn that conclusion.

LostittoBostik · 10/02/2025 10:37

@EasternStandard Of course she did before... this is just one they're announcing to make something to put on the 24 hour news cycle.

This is incidentally why I think politics needs to stop pandering to the demand for news content. People read way too much into what they do announced (eg "why are they only doing this now?" When the real question is "why are they talking about this particular meeting publicly, and stayed silent about all the others?")

twistyizzy · 10/02/2025 10:35

marshmallowmix · 10/02/2025 10:35

He has been abroad more than he has been in the UK since he came in to power... he cannot cope and is out of his depth...

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On the private jets he + Labour criticised the Tories for using

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